Mr.X vs Daredevil

Originally posted by SasuOna
Arguing off topic for a minute you seem to think that Mister X losing to post Kun Lun Iron Fist is PIS or somehow a writer not knowing how to write said villain up to par

Originally posted by SasuOna
when I bring up the fact that Daredevil beat Wolverine in Enemy of the State while he was actively trying to kill him( the same storyline that notes many times being mind controlled doesn't take away Wolverine's training or his superhuman stats) you have no argument for it.

Actually wolverine stated to matt after the fight "tell nick I tried my best not to nail another mask".

It never once stated in that arc that it did not take away from his abilities, that some bullshit you made up.

No there plenty of arguements I have for it, but srank beat me to it. Wolverine clearly states he was fighting the mind controlling and he was not even 100% at the time he was missing part of his soul.

Honestly please keep up, your ignorant is astounding.

Originally posted by SasuOna
berserker Wolverine can be beat by Elektra how is he supposed to stomp Daredevil again?

Originally posted by SasuOna
yeah thats right because thats not applicable for some reason. The sooner you admit Wolverine is always shown to be shit against credible MA in the MU the sooner we can get to the fact that Daredevil would win this fight.

Always shown to be shit?

He put DD in a full nelson in five pannels, beat shang-chi in five pannel easily i might add, beaten Ogun, stalemated stick, gave capt a blood clot ect.

honestly your ignorance of wolverine is astounding.

Originally posted by SasuOna
No Logan has never displayed reflexes on par with Daredevil or Spider-man for that matter. Like I pointed out in other threads he lacks the feats to even be compared to those two much less have reactions on par with either of their senses.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Hes a legit aimdodger and has no bullet timing feats.
Why should I consider him on par with Spider-man who has dodged a sniper rifle point black or Daredevil who dodged a shotgun blast point blank.

His reactions which are said to be superhuman lack the substance of both of theirs. Its not far off to say he doesn't compare to either of them that department.

Wolverine has lots of bullet dodging feats. Its just sometimes he lets people hit him and he also has HF.

Originally posted by SasuOna
^^has nothing to do with DD1's statement. All the bullets are travelling at the same speed and just because its black widow doesn't give the right to make any more of the feat than that. Mister X is a bullet timer good so are plenty of other peak human characters in the MU. Still doesn't show me how hes not using his powers to do that?

Arguing off topic for a minute you seem to think that Mister X losing to post Kun Lun Iron Fist is PIS or somehow a writer not knowing how to write said villain up to par but when I bring up the fact that Daredevil beat Wolverine in Enemy of the State while he was actively trying to kill him( the same storyline that notes many times being mind controlled doesn't take away Wolverine's training or his superhuman stats) you have no argument for it.

A berserker Wolverine can be beat by Elektra how is he supposed to stomp Daredevil again?
Oh yeah thats right because thats not applicable for some reason. The sooner you admit Wolverine is always shown to be shit against credible MA in the MU the sooner we can get to the fact that Daredevil would win this fight.

And No Logan has never displayed reflexes on par with Daredevil or Spider-man for that matter. Like I pointed out in other threads he lacks the feats to even be compared to those two much less have reactions on par with either of their senses.

Do you have to try hard to be so wrong or it an innate gift? I haven't seen a single post where you are anywhere close to hitting the target.

Iron Fist never beat Mister X, he hit him once and then moved to a different target. X was fine when he was seen seconds latter. Daredevil never beat Wolverine in EotS, he merely broke his mind control, and Wolverine wasn't actively trying to kill him, he was only fighting him to draw Elektra out into the open and expressly stated he was trying his best to make sure nothing bad happened that night. Elektra has never beaten a berserker Wolverine. She trained a mindless bone claw Wolverine, and got the drop on a half dead mindcontrolled Wolverine while he was already engaged in a fight at the start of EotS. Elektra is better than DD across the board anyway.

Wolverine's reflex feats are easily superior to DD, and on par with Spider-mans. His combat speed feats are among his most impressive...

Srank you have fun with them, I am done. It pointless to argue with people that delusional.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Wolverine's reflex feats are easily superior to DD, and on par with Spider-mans. His combat speed feats are among his most impressive...

O god you're not saying Wolverines reflexes are as good as Spidermans?

Originally posted by Deadline
O god you're not saying Wolverines reflexes are as good as Spidermans?

Even fuggin Spiderman himself was wondering once how Daredevil does what he did to save him from a sniper bullet. But even "that" doesn't make me believe DD is as fast as Spiderman.

Both X and Daredevil are a hair slower then prob Logan but not by much.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Even fuggin Spiderman himself was wondering once how Daredevil does what he did to save him from a sniper bullet. But even "that" doesn't make me believe DD is as fast as Spiderman.

Originally posted by Deadline
O god you're not saying Wolverines reflexes are as good as Spidermans?

Considering he just said on par with Spiderman. He already answered your question.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Iron Fist never beat Mister X, he hit him once and then moved to a different target. X was fine when he was seen seconds latter. Daredevil never beat Wolverine in EotS, he merely broke his mind control, and Wolverine wasn't actively trying to kill him, he was only fighting him to draw Elektra out into the open and expressly stated he was trying his best to make sure nothing bad happened that night. Elektra has never beaten a berserker Wolverine. She trained a mindless bone claw Wolverine, and got the drop on a half dead mindcontrolled Wolverine while he was already engaged in a fight at the start of EotS. Elektra is better than DD across the board anyway.

Wolverine's reflex feats are easily superior to DD, and on par with Spider-mans. His combat speed feats are among his most impressive...

Elektra is superior to Daredevil across the board how? because you need to justify why Wolverine is legitimately losing to her. Sorry no they were trained by the same master and Stick beyond the grave even pointed out that they were pretty much equals.

Combat speed is the same as reflexes now and no Wolverine has no feats that put him on par with Spider-man or Daredevil's. If Wolverine were that fast he would actively try and deflect or dodge bullets instead of needlessly hurting himself by getting shot all the time. Wolverine has not dodged a sniper round or even shown me any type of speed feats that would make me consider him a bullet timer.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Considering he just said on par with Spiderman. He already answered your question.

I know but sometimes you can't believe the shit he comes out with.

Ugh.. there's a thing called "context" people. Daredevil was fighting a mindcontrolled Wolverine who was fighting it the whole time, not to mention he didnt beat Logan. He accidentally impaled Logan on a sword and Logan willingly stopped fighting because it helped him break the mind control. Being impaled didnt even slow him down in the past. Saying that Daredevil is faster or a better fighter than Logan is just false. His radar is the only advantage.

And DD's ability to predict moves thanks to his radar and training does not cancel X's super power to actually lock on other people's moves. And the guy isnt a lowtier MA fighter either. He beat Taskmaster, Black Widow (who recently stalemated Elektra FYI since we're using the a>b>c logic here), stalemated Wolverine and Deadpool. That's something.

That said, even if DD takes it he'll spend a few months in hospital afterwards.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
DD has better feats. DD can read his moves, too. DD wins.

You're opinion isnt valid if you dn't know one of the characters powerset. Mister X body AUTO locks on to impulses its not something he has to think about, if his opponent isnt vastly faster then on a forum battle he blocks and counters every single attack. So vs DD, he does this, the evidence of this is when he was able to do it to someone who has better stats across the board than DD...Wolverine.

Originally posted by Deadline
O god you're not saying Wolverines reflexes are as good as Spidermans?

We have a concrete number for Wolverine's combat speed reflexes. He can through a punch 8 times faster than the average human's finger tip reaction time. His combat speed is on par with Spider-man's, he can throw a punch as a fast as Spidy can, but Spider-man's reflexes are artificially enhanced thanks to his Spider-sense give him the advantage in dodging / avoidance.

Originally posted by SamZED
Ugh.. there's a thing called "context" people. Daredevil was fighting a mindcontrolled Wolverine who was fighting it the whole time, not to mention he didnt beat Logan. He accidentally impaled Logan on a sword and Logan willingly stopped fighting because it helped him break the mind control. Being impaled didnt even slow him down in the past. Saying that Daredevil is faster or a better fighter than Logan is just not true. His radar is the only advantage.

And DD's ability to predict moves thanks to his radar and training does not cancel X's super power to actually lock on other people's moves. And the guy isnt a lowtier MA fighter. He beat Taskmaster, Black Widow (who recently stalemated Elektra FYI since we're using the a>b>c logic here), stalemated Wolverine and Deadpool. That's something.

That said, even if DD takes it he'll spend a few months in hospital afterwards.

It cancels it in a way that DD is not left vulnerable because of his own body reading/ movement tracking abilities. It doesn't cancel it in a way that it makes X ability disappear mind you.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
It cancels it in a way that DD is not left vulnerable because of his own body reading/ movement tracking abilities. It doesn't cancel it in a way that it makes X ability disappear mind you.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
We have a concrete number for Wolverine's combat speed reflexes. He can through a punch 8 times faster than the average human's finger tip reaction time. His combat speed is on par with Spider-man's, he can throw a punch as a fast as Spidy can, but Spider-man's reflexes are artificially enhanced thanks to his Spider-sense give him the advantage in dodging / avoidance.

Originally posted by Juk3n
You're opinion isnt valid if you dn't know one of the characters powerset. Mister X body AUTO locks on to impulses its not something he has to think about, if his opponent isnt vastly faster then on a forum battle he blocks and counters every single attack. So vs DD, he does this, the evidence of this is when he was able to do it to someone who has better stats across the board than DD...Wolverine.

But Wolverine is a bad example since he lacks the body reading and a built in radar.

Originally posted by SamZED
I know what you meant by "cancels", I just say that it doesnt. It HELPS sure, but not to the level where X's powers wont give him an advantage.

That's were I disagree since DD's would give him the advantage, along with his exotic fighting skills.

Sam who you think takes the majority?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
That's were I disagree since DD's would give him the advantage, along with his exotic fighting skills.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Sam who you think takes the majority?

Originally posted by SasuOna
Mister X got hit by Iron Fist and saying he fine seconds later is an assumption on your part, since we don't know how much time passed. I still consider that a loss for him with his powers.
Wolverine while mindcontrolled is the same threat as he always was this was noted many times in Enemy of the State. Lets stop trying to warp canon to change things you don't like about the fight.
Wolverine has only ever gotten the jump on Daredevil when he was wearing a heavier costume that slowed him down to Logan's level.

Elektra is superior to Daredevil across the board how? because you need to justify why Wolverine is legitimately losing to her. Sorry no they were trained by the same master and Stick beyond the grave even pointed out that they were pretty much equals.

Combat speed is the same as reflexes now and no Wolverine has no feats that put him on par with Spider-man or Daredevil's. If Wolverine were that fast he would actively try and deflect or dodge bullets instead of needlessly hurting himself by getting shot all the time. Wolverine has not dodged a sniper round or even shown me any type of speed feats that would make me consider him a bullet timer.

We know how much time passed because we saw it. He hit X, jumped across the board room to attack Osborn. Ghost grabbed him and tossed him outside the window where Headsman slammed him against the window where X was standing find as can be right beside Osborn. That isn't a win, that's a momentary distraction.

EotS Wolverine was not the same threat as he always was. He was actively fighting his conditioning, he said as much. DD didn't beat him, he temporarily broke Wolverine's mind control and a non mind controlled Wolverine had no reason to continue the fight.

Elektra is better because every encounter she has had with DD remotely resembling a fight, she has won? And she was trained longer by Stick than DD, and she received training by all the other members of the Chaste as well. She also had a martial arts back ground before joining the Chaste. She trained with a different master every year before she climbed the mountain and met Stick. Also unlike DD she complete her training with Stick, and even climbed the mountain again, which is why she was with Stick when Wolverine went feral. She also received training from the Hand Elite jounin when she was resurrected and most recently Drake. And she is a telepathic quasi mystical monster who punches through people like rice paper and can move too fast to be caught on camera.

Wolverine doesn't routinely dodge bullets because its a waste of energy, it would be like Super-man dodging snow balls. Even that said he has dodged bullets / lasers / you name it many times. He has even moved fast enough to block the barrel of a gun after the trigger was pulled but before the bullet could leave the chamber.