Originally posted by SasuOna
hmmm in Thunderbolts 142Amadeus Cho got by his powers by ricocheting arrows around so he wouldn't be able to react to them and got caught in the leg.
Daredevil throws his billy clubs faster than that and actually is pretty good with hitting pressure points with them.
Cho's plan worked becuase his mind was working in simply mathmatical terms which Mister X did not understand. This is something DD is simply not capable of. Honestly if your going to bring something up, please put forth the correct context. Mister X got caught by a single arrow and dodged the rest, he also was fighting later that issue.
To bad he can't do what cho did.
Originally posted by SasuOna
I'm trying to figure out where its stated that Mister X has actual telepathy though since he's not aware that he has a power himself or that hes even using a power. Hes able to read Wolverine's mind even though he has defenses against that type of intrusion.Frankly more more I read up on him the more I become aware of the fact that Daredevil would be able to beat him without too much difficulty.
Mr X has no way of dealing with ricochet attacks and those are Daredevil's primary way of attacking with his clubs
Originally posted by Juk3n
I think you need to look up the word "Fact".
Honestly Sas, can you at least attempt to get at least basic knowledge of the people your debating against. X is very aware of his powers, honestly some times the shit that you come up with is just........ 😆
You already contradicted yourself by saying that Mister X could read cho's mind but not understand the equations in his head? like that would matter, so he read cho's mind knew he was planning on attacking him with arrows but because he couldn't understand the advanced equations in his head? his peak human reflexes weren't fast enough to dodge arrows?okay
Mathematical equations don't magically change your intent. Cho threw a volly of arrows that ricocheted at him and he got tagged by one. The ricochet is explicitely cited as the reason he wasn't able to avoid them. Remember this is the same guy who according to you was blocking bullets because his reflexes were that good and not simply because he could read Black Widow's mind.
In either case his reactions still got blitz by an arrow thrown by amadeus cho who doesn't have feats of throwing things as fast as Daredevil and still couldn't read Cho's mind to tell that this is what he was planning.
Also your whole argument about Daredevil not doing advanced calculations when ricocheting his billy clubs based on Cho's feat is another fallacy. Your assuming something that is never shown is exclusive to one character but because character A has a method shown but character B doesn't have a method shown for the same technique it doesn't change the fact that they are using the same principles regardless.
Originally posted by SasuOna
You already contradicted yourself by saying that Mister X could read cho's mind but not understand the equations in his head?
How did I contradict my self? He could not understand cho mind, thats what happened, have you even read the issue?
Originally posted by SasuOna
like that would matter, so he read cho's mind knew he was planning on attacking him with arrows but because he couldn't understand the advanced equations in his head? his peak human reflexes weren't fast enough to dodge arrows?okay
Originally posted by SasuOna
Mathematical equations don't magically change your intent. Cho threw a volly of arrows that ricocheted at him and he got tagged by one. The ricochet is explicitely cited as the reason he wasn't able to avoid them.
Originally posted by SasuOna
In either case his reactions still got blitz by an arrow thrown by amadeus cho who doesn't have feats of throwing things as fast as Daredevil and still couldn't read Cho's mind to tell that this is what he was planning.
He could read cho mind not understand it, dam man honestly please keep up.
Originally posted by SasuOna
Also your whole argument about Daredevil not doing advanced calculations when ricocheting his billy clubs based on Cho's feat is another fallacy. Your assuming something that is never shown is exclusive to one character but because character A has a method shown but character B doesn't have a method shown for the same technique it doesn't change the fact that they are using the same principles regardless.
please I love to se eyou provide evidence that DD views the world in mathmetical forumals like Cho. Please I love to see it.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Lol John has a new friend...
I think that will be my final post in responses to him, he waste of my time. Unless he wants to battle zone DD vs Wolverine, I am not gunna waste my time with his garbage or if he actually provides evidence that DD views the world in Mathmatical formuals like Cho.
Originally posted by Q99
X could read Cho's mind, but it was all in equations so he couldn't interpret it, while "throw one or two billy clubs at pressure points," is the kind of thing he reads all the time.And it had to be a chaotic and unpredictable enough situation that a hit was possible to begin with.
I thought Cho was just perceiving things in numbers not actually seeing it numbers was what confused Mr. X. Daredevil is perceiving the world as a man with sight would w/out the color and very good clarity. He isn't thinking in terms of math equations that would throw off Mr. X. I mean if Cho is perceiving throwing an arrow as a complex equation based on forces mass and the speed of Mr. X rather than a visual model in his head that most people would have Mr. X isn't going to be able to read it and react with any reasonable speed because as intelligent as he is he still understands a throw is a throw and you kind of feel how you need to throw something for a desired effect rather than a math equation predicting all given variables and basing it on that than the model in your head.
Originally posted by Uriel005
I thought Cho was just perceiving things in numbers not actually seeing it numbers was what confused Mr. X. Daredevil is perceiving the world as a man with sight would w/out the color and very good clarity. He isn't thinking in terms of math equations that would throw off Mr. X. I mean if Cho is perceiving throwing an arrow as a complex equation based on forces mass and the speed of Mr. X rather than a visual model in his head that most people would have Mr. X isn't going to be able to read it and react with any reasonable speed because as intelligent as he is he still understands a throw is a throw and you kind of feel how you need to throw something for a desired effect rather than a math equation predicting all given variables and basing it on that than the model in your head.
Way a Cho views the world and attacks is much different then how a fighter would. He viewing everything in advanced mathmatical formulas. While fighters are simply doing it or viewing them selfs doing it.
The way Cho views the world was enough to hide the fact that hes planning on throwing arrows in a ricochet? no X would still know about that unless you want to make the argument that hes not that good of a telepath and gets thrown off by things like how people perceive the world.
If anything the mathematical equations would only hide the facts about the arrows trajectory. Mr X would still know that hes throwing arrows at him regardless.
So basically what it comes down to is without his powers hes not fast enough to dodge an arrow.
Daredevil is blind he actually has to use echolocation to see which is essentially allowing sound to paint a picture in his mind. If Mr. X gets confused by something like mathematical equations why would he understand the way Daredevil sees the world?
Originally posted by SasuOna
The way Cho views the world was enough to hide the fact that hes planning on throwing arrows in a ricochet? no X would still know about that unless you want to make the argument that hes not that good of a telepath and gets thrown off by things like how people perceive the world.If anything the mathematical equations would only hide the facts about the arrows trajectory. Mr X would still know that hes throwing arrows at him regardless.
So basically what it comes down to is without his powers hes not fast enough to dodge an arrow.Daredevil is blind he actually has to use echolocation to see which is essentially allowing sound to paint a picture in his mind. If Mr. X gets confused by something like mathematical equations why would he understand the way Daredevil sees the world?
Did you even bother to read the issue or did you just look at the pretty pictures? X knew the arrows were ricocheting but he couldn't understand the "zillions of calculations." Even then he wasn't hit because he was too slow, he was hit because Cho's math guaranteed he would be, it wasn't a random, hope for the best contingency, Cho calculated the trajectory and ricochet path of every single arrow. It was a mathematical impossibility for X to avoid every arrow... that was the whole point.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Also as for DD body reading be able to counter Mister X?others who posses body reading did not seem to be helpful at all.
And who would that be Taskmaster by the scans that you posted? Yeah because Tasky has the hyper senses and radar of Daredevil.
Fail again just like your Logan comparison attempt for DD.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
And who would that be Taskmaster by the scans that you posted? Yeah because Tasky has the hyper senses and radar of Daredevil.Fail again just like your Logan comparison attempt for DD.
Taskmaster's move reading ability trumps DD's radar and hyper senses, just like Echo's did.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Did you even bother to read the issue or did you just look at the pretty pictures? X knew the arrows were ricocheting but he couldn't understand the "zillions of calculations." Even then he wasn't hit because he was too slow, he was hit because Cho's math guaranteed he would be, it wasn't a random, hope for the best contingency, Cho calculated the trajectory and ricochet path of every single arrow. It was a mathematical impossibility for X to avoid every arrow... that was the whole point.
Your whole rational makes no sense. This is the MU where someone can block 100 bullets fired at them. The fact that you think Cho ricocheting a volley of arrows makes it statistically impossible for him to dodge all of them is laughable. Either he doesn't have the speed to dodge something thrown by Cho or his powers compensate for him and allow him to perform all of his high end feats.
Cho's intent was to throw the arrows at Mr X he picked up on that but didn't understand the ricochet patterns Cho was coming up with. At that point hes relying on his own speed to dodge arrows. The fact that he got tagged by something moving a lot slower than the casual ricochet's from Daredevil shows hes pretty unimpressive without his powers.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Taskmaster's move reading ability trumps DD's radar and hyper senses, just like Echo's did.
