Originally posted by NCRotCA
Also not that I think that Yoda wasn't displaying superiority over Sidious in their lightsaber battle, but how canon is the stuff within the script that doesn't appear in the movie anyway?
I believe it to be authoritative above all things except direct quotes from Lucas, and the movies whenever what happens in the script is a d i r e c t contradiction to what happens onscreen.
Originally posted by NCRotCAWhile I do think that we can apply the increasing levels of foggy windows into the fictional reality to the EU that doesn't directly conflict with the movies, we still, firstly, have to take into account, that as it doesn't directly conflict with the movies, it's automatically of greater merit than the EU surrounding the movies that does.
Secondly, we can consider that the events that the Bane books depict represent pivotal moments and a pivotal war within the history of the entire Galaxy and the Force itself, that saw the rise of the Sith'ari: a being who's destiny and power, as it's described and the significance it has, is second really only to the Chosen One's.
Thirdly, we can then consider that in Kas'im, what we have is someone who represented the very greatest warrior of the most warlike Order of darksiders the Galaxy has ever known, who does demonstrate the ability to compete with the same Bane, who had been rising in power and realising his potential like nobody else, and who's character was based around the cocnept of a perfect swordsman and warrior. We can also consider that the acknowledged exagerrated nature of the EU by the LFL authorities generally only really apply to Force Use, and Kas'im's definining feature is his technical ability with a lightsaber.
Essentially, what I'm saying, is that even taking into account that the EU completely seperate from the time of the movies may possible not be truly reflective of the true fictional reality, when we consider the individuals involved (Bane and Kas'im), and even look at things from the perspective of "should they be as powerful as they're depicted as" or "should they be this powerful with respect to someone like Yoda", the answer's still yes. Yoda represented a very old (and ial by extension experienced), wise, and powerful Jedi at the time of the films; the most powerful out of every single individual involved perhaps. However I see no reason to believe that he should necessarily be the most powerful Jedi ever, or even one of the most powerful ever, and that beings such as Kas'im and Bane can't outclass him in certain areas. Again, I'm not even considering what's directly shown or stated but thinking as to the root causes of whether something should be the case. And given thet we're dealing with the Sith'ari, described as the Sith's Chosen One, described as being possessive of "perfect strength, perfect power, perfect destiny," and whos very characterisation was largely based on him being abnormally powerful and vastly more powerful than everyone else, and Kas'im, the greatest warrior out of the most warlike order of darksiders that numbered in the thousands, someone who's characterisation was based off of his ability and dedication as a swordsman, and someone who represented a genuine threat to the afoermentioned Sith'ari who had already been realising power at a ridiculous rate, to me, it's not crazy that Bane would outclass Yoda with the Force and that Kas'im would alternatively do so with a lightsaber.
To me, the feats we see in the Bane books, next to what we see in the movies, isn't necessarily ridiculous or reflective of the true state of events.
But what are you suggesting anyway? That we disregard some of the stuff shown/stated in the Bane books simply because they're based within the EU?
Seriously, you see no reason to believe that he should necessarily be the most powerful Jedi ever, or even one of the most powerful ever? You gave an entire rant about comparing the movies to Kas’im, but you have ignored that the quote stating Yoda to be “the most devastingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known” is Canon. If you’re still saying that Yoda isn’t one of the most powerful Jedi ever, you’re too stubborn and don’t accept logic. Simple feats aren’t everything. It’s not because we don’t constantly see Yoda do some special fancy tricks with a lightsaber (even though we saw how he handled a lightsaber against Sidious and Dooku) that he isn’t skilled with a lightsaber.
I'm sure it is as well but certainly not to the degree that Kas'im's would be, and I'd say that kas'im;s demonstrated himself to be a more powerful individual than Dooku as wlel, especially his Force assisted lightsaber abilities.
I highly doubt Kas’im to be more powerful than Dooku. Dooku is on par with Mace and a lot of sources prove that he was incredibly skilled in lightsaber duels.
"The best of all would be the strongest student, yes? Wisest? Most learned in the ways of the Force? Best of all, Dooku would be! Our greatest student! Our greatest failure."
"He is a fencer. Leverage, position, advantage—they are as natural to him as breathing."
-Dark Rendezvous
"The two Jedi challenged Dooku to a lightsaber duel, but Dooku's masterful skills in old-style lightsaber combat made short work of the younger combatants.”
"Whereas Dooku handled a lightsaber with finesse and accuracy,"
"unequaled in a classical form of lightsaber combat."
-The official Star Wars Databank
"Makashi represents the ultimate refinement of lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat"
-Jedi vs Sith: the essential guide to the Force
I don’t even know why I have to explain Dooku's skills though. It should be common knowledge.
It's not so much that it may be above or below or identical to the average human's, but that it's of the same nature.
How do you know for sure it is of the same nature? Fact is that his species is different from humans.
I wouldn't say thay Dooku is necessarily more skilled than Anakin actually, and again, the degree of superiority is compeltely different.
Dooku spend almost eight decades perfecting his skills with a lightsaber utilizing the best lightsaber form to duel. I’m sure there is no one who will say that Anakin is more technically skilled than Dooku. Anakin beat him thanks to his raw Force power.
Originally posted by NCRotCA
Kas'im was described as the best living swordsman, Jedi, Sith, or otherwise, and possibly the greatest ever.
Where is this stated? Can you give an exact quote?