Do dreams really matter at all?
A buddy of mine was looking for a meaning behind a dream I considered to be just another crazy dream. He said I was ignoring an obvious message about the worlds end. I don't think dreams have deep meanings that we should spend a lot of valuable time deciphering. But I only have my many crazy dreams to go off of. What do you think? Are dreams ever messages? Aren't end of the world dreams as common as end of the world movies?
there are lots of theories about dreams, but as a phenomenon, we really don't understand them
obviously nobody is predicting the future or any of that nonsense, but whether they represent thoughts and emotions that you really are trying to deal with, or simply associative memories that arise from your mind as you sleep, the jury is still out
I tend to think they have little meaning at all, and our inability to really understand "dreaming" as a human behaviour comes from our own inability to give up the idea that they are important
Originally posted by inimalist
the data is very unconvincing and almost certainly represents chance/type 1 errors, and even still, the most adament proponents in the scientific community admit the results show no real pattern and have no plausible mechanism
It got funding for 25 years officially, show where a better than chance finding with 25 years of data is ambiguous........ 😖hifty: Proponents of what? Where?
Jessica Utts, one of the few members of the scientific community who considers the results significant, admits in her own review that the results show no real pattern and that there is no real mechanism.
It took less than 25 years for physicists to go from "you can't split the atom" to making the atomic bomb, 25 years of study with no clear results means there is no phenomenon.
Originally posted by inimalist
Jessica Utts, one of the few members of the scientific community who considers the results significant, admits in her own review that the results show no real pattern and that there is no real mechanism.It took less than 25 years for physicists to go from "you can't split the atom" to making the atomic bomb, 25 years of study with no clear results means there is no phenomenon.
Perhaps it will take the spending required to quickly win the Pacific War and the greatest brains all coming together in one place with unlimited Government backing to solve this and anything else. ;-)
Originally posted by ThAnus_ofTITass
Perhaps it will take the spending required to quickly win the Pacific War and the greatest brains all coming together in one place with unlimited Government backing to solve this and anything else. ;-)
that consisted of maybe 4-5 years, after all the theoretical work had been done in independant labs throughout the world, especially the work of Leo Salizard
http://www.amazon.com/Before-Fallout-Marie-Curie-Hiroshima/dp/0802714455
Originally posted by inimalist
that consisted of maybe 4-5 years, after all the theoretical work had been done in independant labs throughout the world, especially the work of Leo Salizardhttp://www.amazon.com/Before-Fallout-Marie-Curie-Hiroshima/dp/0802714455
Actually no, ever seen the play Coppenhagen or read Oppenheiners Journals in the Treasury of Physics?
um, no, it wasn't until salizard proved it was possible to cause a chain reaction in splitting the Uranium atom that either the British or American governments took the idea seriously, and even then, it took an incredible amount of realpolitiking by atomic scientists to get the bomb underway, including a reference letter from Einstein. The allies very nearly didn't try for a bomb, especially after they destroyed the heavy water facilities the nazis had
Originally posted by inimalist
um, no, it wasn't until salizard proved it was possible to cause a chain reaction in splitting the Uranium atom that either the British or American governments took the idea seriously, and even then, it took an incredible amount of realpolitiking by atomic scientists to get the bomb underway, including a reference letter from Einstein. The allies very nearly didn't try for a bomb, especially after they destroyed the heavy water facilities the nazis had
Actually the big issue was the calculation as Coppenhagen and Oppenheimers notes show.
Oppenheimer only got involved in the project after the government set it up. He was doing nuclear physics, but he was not the person whose work showed a bomb was possible. iirc, oppenheimer was at one point entirely unconvinced that a chain reaction was possible (I might be confusing him with Bohr...)
The project's roots began in 1939 when, at the urging of Leó Szilárd, Albert Einstein signed a letter to President Roosevelt expressing his concerns that Nazi Germany may be trying to develop nuclear weapons. The American atomic effort began as a small research program into the feasibility of using nuclear fission for wartime purposes, but would expand to employ more than 130,000 people and cost nearly US$2 billion ($22 billion in present day value) by August 1945. It resulted in the creation of several research and production sites whose construction and operations were secret.
Originally posted by inimalist
Oppenheimer only got involved in the project after the government set it up. He was doing nuclear physics, but he was not the person whose work showed a bomb was possible. iirc, oppenheimer was at one point entirely unconvinced that a chain reaction was possible (I might be confusing him with Bohr...)
What you've been getting at is that the investment into the atom splitting research paid off and that the same research in dreams and clairvoyance has yet to reap any dependable benefits, right?
exactly
not only that, in terms of atomic research, it wasn't that the research paid off, its that there was an entire 180 degree shift in the paradigm of what physcists believed. The remote viewing stuff didn't even produce results that can't be explained by chance alone.
If 25 years and millions of dollars were put into any field that was even remotely true, there would be replicable results and some clear ideas about how things worked.
Originally posted by inimalistYeah I think that pretty much ties it. That's a long time to study dreams and not have much more ability to use them to predict things of importance. But if it did work would it be kept a secret? That's also a long time to invest into something that's reaping 0 results. Speaking for myself, my dreams are many and vary from fun dreams to nightmares and dreams that make no sense at all. I had one dream that came true but if you dream that you're in the rain and the next day it rains that's coincidence. Sometimes there might be more details than that but still it's not like a person can't predict future events when they're awake as well. The only thing that I can think of as documented proof of non-religious prediction is Nastrodamus. I'm quite the skeptic nowadays but his story seems solid.
exactlynot only that, in terms of atomic research, it wasn't that the research paid off, its that there was an entire 180 degree shift in the paradigm of what physcists believed. The remote viewing stuff didn't even produce results that can't be explained by chance alone.
If 25 years and millions of dollars were put into any field that was even remotely true, there would be replicable results and some clear ideas about how things worked.