Cross Genre Match #20: Akuma vs Iron Man

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
2/8 doesn't seem to good to me, although like I said MvsC2 is a whole 'nother league of broken.

A few characters are gonna get thrashed, but if most of the cast is actually viable, than the balance is not bad.

MVC2 is phucked up in mind boggling ways but MVC2 has 56 characters, about 9 are good. 3S has 20, about 13 are good, with 2 of the 13 being REALLY good. There is no comparrison. CVS2 has some really phucked up things in it and even I have stayed away from having CVS and MVC in the same sentence (until now). 3rd Strike is unbalanced (like every other fighting game on the planet that's not SFI), but it's not anywhere near overwhelming. The game wouldn't still be played at major tournies if it was.

Originally posted by No End N Site
A few characters are gonna get thrashed, but if most of the cast is actually viable, than the balance is not bad.

MVC3 is phucked up in mind boggling ways but MVC3 has 56 characters, about 9 are good. 3S has 20, about 13 are good, with 2 of the 13 being REALLY good. There is no comparrison. CVS2 has some really phucked up things in it and even I have stayed away from having CVS and MVC in the same sentence (until now). 3rd Strike is unbalanced (like every other fighting game on the planet that's not SFI), but it's not anywhere near overwhelming. The game wouldn't still be played at major tournies if it was.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
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Originally posted by No End N Site
Yeah, the thing was, he said "very similar", it's not that similar. Even Sean can win 2 outta 8 against Yun or Chun. And in 2nd Impact, Sean was top tier. He actually sucks now cuz he got nerfed to hell.

No they don't.

You don't base you're whole scope around tourney results cuz if you look at a game like SSFIV, you will be decieved.

Yes, they do. I don't see how can someone can look at typical EVO/SBO results and think otherwise.

I agree usually. Still, it's a more reliable an indicator than most.

Originally posted by No End N Site
A few characters are gonna get thrashed, but if most of the cast is actually viable, than the balance is not bad.

MVC2 is phucked up in mind boggling ways but MVC2 has 56 characters, about 9 are good. 3S has 20, about 13 are good, with 2 of the 13 being REALLY good. There is no comparrison. CVS2 has some really phucked up things in it and even I have stayed away from having CVS and MVC in the same sentence (until now). 3rd Strike is unbalanced (like every other fighting game on the planet that's not SFI), but it's not anywhere near overwhelming.

The game wouldn't still be played at major tournies if it was.

Nah. MVC2 still gets tournament play. An unbalanced game can still get massively popular.

Originally posted by No End N Site
3rd Strike is unbalanced (like every other fighting game on the planet that's not SFI), but it's not anywhere near overwhelming. The game wouldn't still be played at major tournies if it was.

Either way, you and I have already had several pages of discussion on this in the past. I feel this would wind up going down the same road.

In the end, we did agree though. 3rd Strike is unbalanced and some characters are disproportionately represented in competition; however, it is not as unbalanced as MVC2. We'd just be arguing pedantries after that.

Pretty much. Capcom vs SNK 2 had roll cancelling, but the later versions didn't, and you could just specify it's use or not. More of a "skill glitch". It depends on what the people want to use.

3s is a great game of course. MvsC2 was very broken though.

akuma punches a hole straight through ironmans armor

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Pretty much. Capcom vs SNK 2 had roll cancelling, but the later versions didn't, and you could just specify it's use or not. More of a "skill glitch". It depends on what the people want to use.

Originally posted by StyleTime

Yes, they do. I don't see how can someone can look at typical EVO/SBO results and think otherwise.

I'd disagree on most of the cast being viable, but that discussion leads to nowhere. You and your backwards 3rd Strike fanboyism.

Nah. MVC2 still gets tournament play. An unbalanced game can still get massively popular.

Perfect balance can't be achieved without having every character have the exact same moves, but there are some balanced games out there. Guilty Gear and Arcana Heart come to mind.

We've talked about this before and all I gotta say is...

1. No, many games have mid and low tiers place higher in the tournies than the top characters do. You can't just go offa tourney results. You can actually pick whoever the hell you like and win in some games, despite tiers.

2. You can disagree all you like, but you'd be wrong. 😄

3. That's cuz enough of the game is actually balanced enough for tourney play and it's fun as hell.

4. GG is VERY unbalanced (worse than 3S) and AH is boring as hell, it makes the mistake of chosing balance over gameplay and freedom, it's very lack luster (I didn't really wanna say it, I know you get all crazy about AH)😄

It got more play in different regions. It was mainly because it was harder to pick up and play, and had more to it. Look at how the simple ones went.

Yeah, if you think about it, that game was super technical. 40 different characters, 6 different systems and shit like ratio selection. You'd spend more time preparing for the fight than fighting. Not really for me. I mained Sagat, S.Akuma, or G.Rugal and if it was a ratio asign deal, I would pick one of'em and ramp it to 1 dude with a ratio of 4 and give'im C or P Groove. Peeps get so intimidated when you only chose 1 guy.

Originally posted by No End N Site
1. No, many games have mid and low tiers place higher in the tournies than the top characters do. You can't just go offa tourney results. You can actually pick whoever the hell you like and win in some games, despite tiers.

2. You can disagree all you like, but you'd be wrong. 😄

3. That's cuz enough of the game is actually balanced enough for tourney play and it's fun as hell.

4. GG is VERY unbalanced (worse than 3S) and AH is boring as hell, it makes the mistake of chosing balance over gameplay and freedom, it's very lack luster (I didn't really wanna say it, I know you get all crazy about AH)😄

i was just watching justin wong & daigo playing CVS2 those dudes are complete animals

YouTube video classic ARSE WHOOPIN

On a side note, I really do think more people in the West would play Arcana Heart if it didn't have an all loli cast.

Most fighter fans will admit it is balanced, but so few will take it further. I attended a tournament last year, and it was so weird. Many people played Arcana Heart in casuals at some point during the day, but few were willing to actually enter into the tournament. Most of the ones who didn't participate spectated though. I kept thinking about the awesome matches there could have been if people weren't so caught up on the aesthetic.

I did get to play Justin Wong though. It was cool finally meeting and playing him. He hadn't played in a while, and he used Kamui. I actually beat him in the first match, then he switched to Konoha. 🙁 That damned Konoha. I know no American Konoha players and I didn't know how to pull off my standard loop on her. He took the second match, and we both took 1 round of the third match before he shook off his rust and beat me in the last round.

Oh and that's right. JWong plays Arcana Heart suckas!

Originally posted by StyleTime
1. I mostly agree.
2. Well then, good day to you sir! uhuh
3, I mostly agree.
4. Accent Core is fairly balanced, but at least you recognize Arcana Heart's awesomeness. It is fun to play too.

As far as GGAC goes, I main Zato for 1 reason, he has an intermediate loop into dizzy...and isntant kill from there, BABY! He is not the only one like that, but his, I find the easiest for me. The combo into dizzy screws that game over. It almost breaks the game.

I still have the US version of the 1st AH and I got 2 on my PC. The games are balanced but they're still, meh. Balance does not equal instant awesomeness. 'Games gotta be good, too. Street Fighter 1 is the most balanced fighter ever and it's still shit😛

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
YouTube video classic ARSE WHOOPIN

Phuckin' Daigo and Wong will play anything made by Capcom.

Hott vid, still.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Yeah, if you think about it, that game was super technical. 40 different characters, 6 different systems and shit like ratio selection. You'd spend more time preparing for the fight than fighting. Not really for me. I mained Sagat, S.Akuma, or G.Rugal and if it was a ratio asign deal, I would pick one of'em and ramp it to 1 dude with a ratio of 4 and give'im C or P Groove. Peeps get so intimidated when you only chose 1 guy.

People in masses like easy games, although everywhere I went we played the hell out of it.

I love S. Akuma, G. Rugal, and E. Ryu. I like the hard to learn but rewarding chars. My friend was trying to hate in a stip match I made on my site. I said "If it's so easy to win with them I'd like to see you try."

Originally posted by No End N Site
Yeah, the thing was, he said "very similar", it's not that similar. Mid tiers in MVC3 will NEVER beat Mags, BH, or Psylocke. Most of 3rd Strike's cast is actually viable. Even Sean can win 2 outta 8 against Yun or Chun. And in 2nd Impact, Sean was top tier. He actually sucks now cuz he got nerfed to hell.

justin wong basically said adon was shit infront of seth killian, the capcom usa head honcho

No they don't.

Yeah, Sean and Q lack real gimmicks. You gotta put in some real work and master the hell outta the fundamentals. You're never gonna see Sean and Q win tournies but the oppuortunity is still there.

You don't base you're whole scope around tourney results cuz if you look at a game like SSFIV, you will be decieved.

justin wong basically said adon was shit in front of seth killian, one of the representitives for capcom usa

Yea some tourney players think they're gods gift to the world. Although Justin Wong is good, some can get cocky.

Actually even the ones that aren't that good.

he didn't do so well in the EVO this year, while daigo won again of coarse

i swear, when his health gets low he goes into high gear and wins miraculously, it's like he can reprogram the game using his arcade stick.

Comeback ability is a good thing to have. Especially as players get overconfident.

Yeah I loved letting people assume I was crap letting them get me down to a third of health while I gauge their timing and skillsets then just owning em.

Good times.

well that i will admit is a quality the "shotos" have over the rest.

they can mix up hadokens (fast slow) and close distance for the shoryuken, and they have the hurricane kick cross-up shit.