Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't see why they wouldn't. Maybe Doomsday would evolve an immunity, but other that that if Red was allowed to make contact with his tentacles then his powers would probably work. Why wouldn't they? Omega Red is a energy vampire, he stills life force and amps himself up with it, the stronger his opponent the more powerful he becomes from draining them.
So, he could drain someone with the IG or HOTU?
hmm, i find myself sorta coming out in the middle here. i think the spores WOULD work, but i don't see them working as fast as they normally might on non-gods. jake's right about a godly life force being pretty uber. but, srank's right as well--i recall stark commenting on the strength of the spores and that he would have been dead from them had he been in the armor. they are very powerful, no doubt about it and seem to affect pretty much everyone or everything--even things they maybe, logically, shouldn't effect. i could see OR's spores weakening them to the point where he MIGHT be able to beat them physically. it depends ENTIRELY on how much impact you feel the spores have.
i'd actually call this 50/50.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Nice dodge. You still haven't proved or backed up your claim Red can drain immortal life energy which has been said to be > mortal life energy more times than I can count. You've basically just said: "Colossus and Logan dropped to them, so the Warriors Three must fall too, regardless of the differences between the two". You're making assumptions based on OR siphoning a life force which is not equal to the life force he would be attempting to drain here.They're gods. It's been stated time and time again. They aren't immortal in the same vein like the Olympians, but they are gods. I can't see how this can even be disputed. facepalms
Pretty sure I was clear. The Warriors Three aren't immortal. They periodically eat a magic apple to stop their aging and increase their logicality... unless Omega Red is going give them a barrel of Golden Apples to eat while he is draining them then their life force is finite. Anyway Wolverine has been theorized to be immortal several times on panel, and Colossus never ages or tires in his organic steel form so provided he never revert to human he could be consider immortal as well... and neither of them need an outside source to refresh their powers.
They are "gods" only because they were worshiped as gods not because they are gods. Wolverine and Sabretooth can make the same claim, there is South American cult that still worships Creed as a god. They had no hand in creating the earth or humanity, like all the Pantheons they just showed up one day from another dimension and then some of the All Fathers did the horizontal shuffle with Gaea. The Olympians aren't immortal either, they need to drink ambrosia to sustain their immortality, the same way Asgardians consume the Golden Apple.
We know that Omega Red has effected Colossus, Logan and Lady Deathstrike.
like it's bn said already Colossus being the vastly different in his armor form than the warrior three. Yet, Omega Red has still weaken him.. Wolverine has a regeneration factor with indomitable will and he has been unable to fight it off..
same for Lady deathstrike.
The Warrior Three being gods isnt an excuse that they cant be effective they dont possess a healing Factor nor have they shown any resistance to a spore or psionic type attack nor do we assume b/c they are gods they must be.
Marvel doesnt work that way when it comes to their gods aside from that we have seen asgardian gods including the warrior three starved,beaten, poisoned and exhausted in battle which means they do have a limit to their physical body and will.
We have seen Volstagg losing his fat and weaken b/c he hadnt bn eating which means he does suffer from deterioration. We have seen their godly life force drained by the The Wrecking crew which means that it isnt as vast as some try to play it off it is.. not saying it isnt stronger than your average human just that it can be drained.
and Omega Red DeathSpore have been referenced as a spore and some type of energy that drains a person's life force.
But it's ALSO a fallacy to assume that these guys can't be affected simply based on the level of their power.
There's no logical reason why OR couldn't or shouldn't be able to drain Superman other than the fact that he's Superman. Same goes for Thor.
We've seen the spores work on Wolverine, Sabretooth, two guys who have rapid healing factors and extremely prolonged lifespans, we've seen the spores work on Iceman, on Collosus in his metalic form two characters without typically structured bodies and organs, we've seen the spores work on Lady Deathstrike a ****ing cyborg! And yet we're to assume that the Warriors three will have some immunity to them because..... Well JUST because?
Or that thinking taking down the warriors three due to the spores is worth comparing OR to Doomsday and Odin? 🤨
lol.
Yeah, okay. 🙄
I can admit that there's a chance it may not work on Asgardians, as long as you guys can admit that there's a likelyhood that it will. 😉
Originally posted by leonidasgods doesn't mean jack as a title
hmm, i find myself sorta coming out in the middle here. i think the spores WOULD work, but i don't see them working as fast as they normally might on non-gods. jake's right about a godly life force being pretty uber. but, srank's right as well--i recall stark commenting on the strength of the spores and that he would have been dead from them had he been in the armor. they are very powerful, no doubt about it and seem to affect pretty much everyone or everything--even things they maybe, logically, shouldn't effect. i could see OR's spores weakening them to the point where he MIGHT be able to beat them physically. it depends ENTIRELY on how much impact you feel the spores have.i'd actually call this 50/50.
Ares is a god, and he's a chump
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Pretty sure I was clear. The Warriors Three aren't immortal. They periodically eat a magic apple to stop their aging and increase their logicality... unless Omega Red is going give them a barrel of Golden Apples to eat while he is draining them then their life force is finite. Anyway Wolverine has been theorized to be immortal several times on panel, and Colossus never ages or tires in his organic steel form so provided he never revert to human he could be consider immortal as well... and neither of them need an outside source to refresh their powers.They are "gods" only because they were worshiped as gods not because they are gods. Wolverine and Sabretooth can make the same claim, there is South American cult that still worships Creed as a god. They had no hand in creating the earth or humanity, like all the Pantheons they just showed up one day from another dimension and then some of the All Fathers did the horizontal shuffle with Gaea. The Olympians aren't immortal either, they need to drink ambrosia to sustain their immortality, the same way Asgardians consume the Golden Apple.
Oh, my God.
Omega Red and his ability/inability to effect them aside, you're not seriously arguing that Logan and Sabretooth are just as much gods as they are? Yeah, okay. Too bad Marvel disagrees with you and directly have supported their godhood more times than they've said otherwise.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Here I disagree, these guys are way to high imo.I was fine that the spores work on the warriors three but not Omegas list.
They'd all have to let him make contact with his tentacles, but provided that why wouldn't his powers work on them. He drains life to amp himself up... that's his power.
Originally posted by jinzin
But it's ALSO a fallacy to assume that these guys can't be affected simply based on the level of their power.There's no logical reason why OR couldn't or shouldn't be able to drain Superman other than the fact that he's Superman. Same goes for Thor.
We've seen the spores work on Wolverine, Sabretooth, two guys who have rapid healing factors and extremely prolonged lifespans, we've seen the spores work on Iceman, on Collosus in his metalic form two characters without typically structured bodies and organs, we've seen the spores work on Lady Deathstrike a ****ing cyborg! And yet we're to assume that the Warriors three will have some immunity to them because..... Well JUST because?
Or that thinking taking down the warriors three due to the spores is worth comparing OR to Doomsday and Odin? 🤨
lol.Yeah, okay. 🙄
I can admit that there's a chance it may not work on Asgardians, as long as you guys can admit that there's a likelyhood that it will. 😉
i agree. 👆
well, except for the snippy parts...... bag
Originally posted by Starscream M
gods doesn't mean jack as a titleAres is a god, and he's a chump
Posters aren't saying that them being gods is what might make them immune or resistant. They're saying that these are gods with greatly extended lifespans that are immune to Earthly diseases, which should logically effect how they react to the spores.
i could see Omega Red using his deathspores to weaken them as he whips his tentacles to keep them away long enough for his spores to do their job.
i actually see Omega easily able to stab them with his tentacles as well. not sure how much i would gove it to him.
since i see the death factor not being as immediate as would otherwise would be although the same way it slowly works on colossus and wolverine it could bye them the warrior three a few minutes to do something about.
although, i have no evidence to support my view that they can even resist the deathspores, i am actually willing to admit it.
Originally posted by Starscream M
gods doesn't mean jack as a titleAres is a god, and he's a chump
It means something when said god is an entirely different kind of being/organism than phucking Logan and Colossus for God's sake.
Jesus.
And for the record, I never once said they'd be immune. I even said saying they're immune is just as ridiculous as saying they fall as fast or faster than Logan (who's a deity, now, apparently) especially when there's no proof to support that claim, either way. But apparently, we're allowed to assume OR can down them quickly based on who it has effected, despite the fact godly life force has been stated time and time again to be more powerful/potent/resilient than that of a mortal.
Effecting some mutants and some cyborgs isn't the same as effecting someone whose life force operated on another level. I don't see what's hard to wrap your (or anyone's) head around that fact.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Oh, my God.Omega Red and his ability/inability to effect them aside, you're not seriously arguing that Logan and Sabretooth are just as much gods as they are? Yeah, okay. Too bad Marvel disagrees with you and directly have supported their godhood more times than they've said otherwise.
i'm curious--in order to be a 'god' don't you need a purview? something to 'god' over? what about the warriors three? what IS their purview? i mean not every being in asgard is a god. the giants, the trolls, the dwarves, like not every being in olympus is a god. you keep raising this issue, but i have to stop and ask myself--are the warriors three ACTUALLY gods? if they are, of what? and no, i'm not trying to be a smartass--it's a legitimate question. there's obviously a difference between a god and an immortal. can't they just be immortals? 😕
Given that the spores effectiveness as in how quickly they effect people is dependent on their levels of stamina and general health then it should in theory take longer to wear down the Warriors Three but as they need to eat, drink and breathe and that they suffer from fatigue eventually then I would agree the spores would effect them.
Question should really be, is it quick enough to stop them from getting to OR and doing him some damage?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Oh, my God.Omega Red and his ability/inability to effect them aside, you're not seriously arguing that Logan and Sabretooth are just as much gods as they are? Yeah, okay. Too bad Marvel disagrees with you and directly have supported their godhood more times than they've said otherwise.
Asgardians are gods because they call themselves gods. Sure back in the day when it was pretty much only Asgard centric Odin was cited with creating the earth and humanity (maybe even all of existence I forget) but that was all retcon'd to allow for the existence of the other Pantheons. They are essentially super powerful aliens from an other dimension. Asgardians are a race of extra dimensional humanoids with magically increased longevity. US Agent told Herc to his face that he is as much as god as Pym is the God of Shrinking, and he was right. At least as far as marvel canon is concerned.
Originally posted by leonidasno you don't have to lord over anything to be a god
i'm curious--in order to be a 'god' don't you need a purview? something to 'god' over? what about the warriors three? what IS their purview? i mean not every being in asgard is a god. the giants, the trolls, the dwarves, like not every being in olympus is a god. you keep raising this issue, but i have to stop and ask myself--are the warriors three ACTUALLY gods? if they are, of what? and no, i'm not trying to be a smartass--it's a legitimate question. there's obviously a difference between a god and an immortal. can't they just be immortals? 😕
god is determined by lineage not by function
magneto lords over many, yet he is no god
ares lords over no one, yet he is a god