Originally posted by kevdude
😂Btw, it took practically everyones effort into killing Mandrakk II and thats a low showing?
I was really not a fan of Superman Beyond. Talk about superman wankage. It would be like me writing a book and saying on page one "this is the best book ever written".
Originally posted by King Kandy
Its not exactly an abstract level showing. Galactus has beaten down teams of similar size.I was really not a fan of Superman Beyond. Talk about superman wankage. It would be like me writing a book and saying on page one "this is the best book ever written".
We don't know the circumstances in which Dax Novu was imprisoned before he became Mandrakk - except that he was the greatest of the Monitor race, the 'radiant one' - a Lucifer analogue and was the first one to make contact with the concept of story.
Furthermore, upon closer examination of the story from SB, it is highly suggested that Dax Novu chose to be imprisoned. He did afterall build the Superman Armor whose sole purpose was to oppose him, the ultimate enemy of existence, and the narration clearly states that he was the one "Who wrestled the angel of contamination [...] who gave his life to chain the best in the darkness."
But ultimately what he was before is irrelevant - he was transformed into Mandrakk and he rose above the Monitors and became the ultimate enemy of existence. He was as beyond them as CA Superman was, each of them becoming stronger to face the other.
Originally posted by Philosophía👆
We don't know the circumstances in which Dax Novu was imprisoned before he became Mandrakk - except that he was the greatest of the Monitor race, the 'radiant one' - a Lucifer analogue and was the first one to make contact with the concept of story.Furthermore, upon closer examination of the story from SB, it is highly suggested that Dax Novu chose to be imprisoned. He did afterall build the Superman Armor whose sole purpose was to oppose him, the ultimate enemy of existence, and the narration clearly states that he was the one "Who wrestled the angel of contamination [...] who gave his life to chain the best in the darkness."
But ultimately what he was before is irrelevant - he was transformed into Mandrakk and he rose above the Monitors and became the ultimate enemy of existence. He was as beyond them as CA Superman was, each of them becoming stronger to face the other.
You have to do more than just look at the pretty pictures if you want to truly grasp SB.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Someone really takes everything Morrison states literally. I remember when he stated Darkseid and the new gods were all like Galactus level and when I read the story I paused and laughed at such a silly statement especially when Kalibak was killed.
The actual Kalibak is like all New Gods a higher dimension being who takes physical form to interact with the DCU.
Context is not your friend Quan.
Originally posted by Omega VisionThat's all we get to see so the higher plane nonsense has no place to begin with. All this power is worthless if you can't use it on this plane. The vs, forums are not your friend.
Right. His Tony the Tiger host body that was created on Earth.The actual Kalibak is like all New Gods a higher dimension being who takes physical form to interact with the DCU.
Context is not your friend Quan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That's all we get to see so the higher plane nonsense has no place to begin with. All this power is worthless if you can't use it on this plane. The vs, forums are not your friend.
That just isn't the case.
It's almost like arguing that WWH defeating Zom possessed Strange would be the same as defeating the actual Zom. Tawky Tawny can't disembowel a Higher Dimensional being, but he can disembowel a construct body created on Earth.
Originally posted by quanchi112If a New God were to manifest itself in the mainstream DCU without first being 'scaled down' by a boom tube, then creation itself would suffer the consequences.
That's all we get to see so the higher plane nonsense has no place to begin with. All this power is worthless if you can't use it on this plane. The vs, forums are not your friend.
Case in point: the multiverse nearly being destroyed by Darkseid's 'fall' in FC.
Originally posted by Omega VisionThat's completely different whereas Zom can enter our plane whereas the new gods cannot on their own.
Which wasn't my point. You were acting like the defeat of his avatar body was the same as the defeat of his higher dimension soul self.That just isn't the case.
It's almost like arguing that WWH defeating Zom possessed Strange would be the same as defeating the actual Zom. Tawky Tawny can't disembowel a Higher Dimensional being, but he can disembowel a construct body created on Earth.
