Originally posted by jinzinTrolling is trolling. Put it up for a poll? Make another phail bait-thread why dontcha? kinda
Again in their entirety, Gorgon's fight was shorter panel by panel.
Originally posted by jinzinThe ridiculousness of the request has nothing to do with the ridiculousness of the initial claim being made?
I'm honestly not going to be bothered to count out panels for you Rage i'm sorry that's a ridiculous request.
Come off your ivory tower there, winjin.
^ Yes, please!
Originally posted by jinzinYou're right, I should be more obvious in my trolling and post butt-hurt phail bait threads that blow up in
I never said I don't want it to be included, just that it shouldn't be included given the context of the discussion you and I were having earlier.Talk about trolling.
Originally posted by Starscream MI'd think he has more speed though not more agility. He's far stronger.
isn't the only area ares trumps logan in is strength...and logans faced guys much much stronger than ares
The stronger people Logan has faced didn't fight as well. Not that he'd win against them in KMC if they were.
Originally posted by jinzinRight, the thread where you somehow included all the panels that should be left out as they aren't "relivent" and asked people to notice everything.
Not really sure what you think blew up in my face, the phobos.phobos thread pretty much solidifies a number of people agree with my standpoint on the artistic representations being vastly different from one fight to the other.
Yeah. That didn't blow up in your face based on simple pure self-sabotage and not when some when people started explaining their issues with your obvious baiting.
The Gorgon fight inclusive of every panel, including talking, posturing, FX, even including the panels where Phobos was grounded and deabilitated is 22 panels long.
The fight with Ares inclusive of every panel including talking, posturing, and threats is 25 panels long.
The actual fight between Gorgon and Phobos was comprised of 6 maneuvers, 7 if you include Phobos striking Gorgon after the pause in action.
The fight between Ares and Phobos was combrised of 7, 8 if you include him getting diced in the neck.
Ares fighting Phobos wounded and unarmed and owning him lasted 9 panels and included him being kicked in the face, and cut in the arm.
Gorgon fighting Phobos wounded and unarmed and owning him lasted 2 panels without Gorgon takine one hit while Alex looked multiple times more impressive than he did during the Ares fight.
Anyone can claim that Ares somehow looked more impressive in his fight with Phobos, but he didn't. Phobos was much more impressive, and much more threatening while fighting Gorgon and Gorgon performecd better than Ares when put under the same duress as Ares himself.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterhttp://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t543147.html
What thread was this?
Most likely
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterI think the initial claim was Wolverine wins because he's more skilled and too fast for Ares, the scan of Ares vs. Phobos was put up to debunk that notion, then Phobos had his skill called into question and we get him taking on Gorgon (a hell of a lot better than Wolverine did) next ODG and Jinzin entered a debate that spanned the entire day about who had a better fight against Phobos.
What does that have to do with just skill though? There are a variety of other factors that come into play.
The answer is clearly that Ares did better against Phobos than Gorgon did (not that that's the be all and end all argument for Wolverine's victory)
Anyway, If anything it shows that Ares is capable of keeping up with Wolverine and isn't outclassed in terms of skill. Coming in here I thought that Wolverine would win, but after seeing the arguments (and checking out some more Ares comics) it's clear that he can take Wolverine for a majority, I don't think it would ever been an easy win for him though.
Originally posted by Trackz👆
I think the initial claim was Wolverine wins because he's more skilled and too fast for Ares, the scan of Ares vs. Phobos was put up to debunk that notion, then Phobos had his skill called into question and we get him taking on Gorgon (a hell of a lot better than Wolverine did) next ODG and Jinzin entered a debate that spanned the entire day about who had a better fight against Phobos.The answer is clearly that Ares did better against Phobos than Gorgon did (not that that's the be all and end all argument for Wolverine's victory)
Anyway, If anything it shows that Ares is capable of keeping up with Wolverine and isn't outclassed in terms of skill. Coming in here I thought that Wolverine would win, but after seeing the arguments (and checking out some more Ares comics) it's clear that he can take Wolverine for a majority, I don't think it would ever been an easy win for him though.
But frankly, the day long argument is over the fact that somehow the only bit of skill Ares demonstrated is one dodge. That's it. The rest is the meandering off-point schlock that Wolverithmetic threads always degenerate to.
It takes pages of refusal to admit that Ares can keep up with (and stomp Phobos) a fair foe for Gorgon. It's not like there's ever an admission, but at some point, the refusal extends to even the most inane things like... Ares/Phobos fight was longer than Gorgon/Phobos fight. lolwut?
Still... unsurprising.
Originally posted by TrackzOk, I was just wondering how the fight was a definitive showing for skill when other factors were at play.
I think the initial claim was Wolverine wins because he's more skilled and too fast for Ares, the scan of Ares vs. Phobos was put up to debunk that notion, then Phobos had his skill called into question and we get him taking on Gorgon (a hell of a lot better than Wolverine did) next ODG and Jinzin entered a debate that spanned the entire day about who had a better fight against Phobos.The answer is clearly that Ares did better against Phobos than Gorgon did (not that that's the be all and end all argument for Wolverine's victory)
Anyway, If anything it shows that Ares is capable of keeping up with Wolverine and isn't outclassed in terms of skill. Coming in here I thought that Wolverine would win, but after seeing the arguments (and checking out some more Ares comics) it's clear that he can take Wolverine for a majority, I don't think it would ever been an easy win for him though.
I think KMC gives the Wolverine vs Brick thing a bit much credit. It used to be the opposite way when I joined. I don't mind him getting some wins, but this is a strong tough guy that can fight and isn't slow. He also has weapons. Even if Wolverine is more skilled and faster. Ares has the experience to negate the difference in skill and the speed to keep up.
Plus he's many, many times stronger. Which is why I said 7/10. Was funny watching them go back and forth though.
Originally posted by snowdragonAll threads have that problem. Most of the argument is over one minor thing.
Full on fight, Ares for the solid majority.Alot of this thread is running amuck with convoluted side arguments to try and validate a very small set of scenes.