balder has been shown to be fast enough to slice bullets with his sword
ares soloes an entire warship of people(who came to take over earth) and then destroys the ship itself
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3639/secretinvasion08saremegvj6.jpg
Ares shows his heat vision
http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/WM05-004.jpg
Originally posted by 753
It's no so much a matter of him being more skilled than Gorgon, I believe the general point is that if he can outfight Phobos, who was evenly matched with Gorgon, in mellee, then he can outfight wolverine.
Which again, isn't a very good point to be making when:
Phobos got killed by Gorgon,
Overpowering Phobos with brute force doesn't translate very well on a character who deals with every brick Marvel has to offer.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
balder has been shown to be fast enough to slice bullets with his swordares soloes an entire warship of people(who came to take over earth) and then destroys the ship itself
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3639/secretinvasion08saremegvj6.jpg
Ares shows his heat vision
http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/WM05-004.jpg
And Wolverine raqn through a horde of Demons all fit enough to give Hulk fits.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big CHe was infected with the Ultimo virus.
Ares shows his heat vision
http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/WM05-004.jpg
Originally posted by jinzinSo what? This is Ares vs Wolverine, not Ares vs Gorgon who stomped logan as well. Phobos held his own better than Wolverine did against Gorgon for the most part and still got punked his father.
Which again, isn't a very good point to be making when:Phobos got killed by Gorgon,
Overpowering Phobos with brute force doesn't translate very well on a character who deals with every brick Marvel has to offer.
Tanking damage from grasscutter is similar to tanking adamantium claws. Of course, Ares can't snap logan's neck like he threatened to do to his son, but holding logan's arms would be enough to neutralize him given their strengh gap. Ares can then get a KO through repeated jumps on his head.
Wolverine can certainly win too, but I'd give Ares the majority.
So what? lol "what" is exactly what I'm trying to explain to you....
Ares did not mirror the skill, speed, or agility that Phobos exhibited in combat. He owned phobos by tanking shots and overpowering him with brute force.
Brute force happens to be near useless on Wolverine and he can't be disarmed.
Ares claims that the way he's able to deal with Phobos resides in predictability... that doesn't translate to him being able to "predict" Logan's fighting skills... unpredictability is something Wolverine has thrived off of in combat against plenty of opponents who have powers/abilities that are analogous with actual battlefield analysis and adaptation.
Tanking damage isn't really an issue. Think most of us figured on Ares' ability to deal with shots, but that throat cut did hinder him for a moment which doesn't look good for him...
You can argue that Phobos did better than Wolverine against Gorgon but at the same time the reasons he didn't do well against Ares simply don't hold weight over Wolverine.
He can't be disarmed of his weapons and grabbing him would be the worst option for Ares lest he wanted to lose an arm.
The possibility of Ares successfully grabbing hold of Wolverine's arms/wrists and neutralizing the claws without getting cut or losing fingers/hands/etc is pretty slim.
Yes, so what? This discussion started because of the the claim that ares cant beat a character with more skill or speed than him like logan, but he did fine against his son who was on a similar level of skill and speed to gorgon. The fact that Gorgon killed Phobos, doesn't weaken the claim that Ares is skilled and powerfull enough to defeat Wolverine, because Gorgon also beat logan.
Wolverine's fighting style may be less predictable than Phobos, but this isn't a given and Ares has millenia of fighting experience.
People have grabbed wolverine's arms and immobilized him through other ways too. It's not an impossible task. Cutting clean through Are's with a single blow isn't a given either.
Originally posted by 753
Yes, so what? This discussion started because of the the claim that ares cant beat a character with more skill or speed than him like logan, but he did fine against his son who was on a similar level of skill and speed to gorgon. The fact that Gorgon killed Phobos, doesn't weaken the claim that Ares is skilled and powerfull enough to defeat Wolverine, because Gorgon also beat logan.Wolverine's fighting style may be less predictable than Phobos, but this isn't a given and Ares has millenia of fighting experience.
People have grabbed wolverine's arms and immobilized him through other ways too. It's not an impossible task. Cutting clean through Are's with a single blow isn't a given either.
Lol again... with this "so what" juvenilism...
Look, what makes Wolverine a threat to bricks isn't that he's fast or skilled... though the combination of those factors isn't something to dismiss. It's that his skeleton and healing factor allow him to get hammered by the best bricks in Marvel, to keep coming, and to win in a number of appearances doing so. It's that his weaponry allows him to completely bypass durability levels of these bricks.
His speed and skill are just icing on the cake.
What made Ares look good against Phobos simply does not translate well to Logan and that's all there is to it.
If you want to start using Gorgon as the bar, then you need to also give Logan credit in the fact that he was fast enough to dodge Gorgon's attacks and land a 1/2 combo on Gorgon as well. None of what Phobos did there was heads and shoulders above Wolverine's portrayal against Gorgon, and Wolverine's Portrayal against Gorgon isn't even Wolverine at his most skilled anyways. 😬
Aside from the fact that he was essentially missing half of his life force when they fought he has skill feats far outstripping that one like disarming Ogun and treating him like a joke.
I don't have an issue if you think Ares will win the majority, I don't agree though.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
not to mention wolverine himself kinda hinted ares being superior the time ares fought skarr and put wolverine down with one blow in his own book
All Ares did was knock Wolverine over... Not sure what you think that proves, OR where this "hint" stemmed from.
Ares couldn't even knock Wolverine out with a sucker punch in Origins written under Daniel Way? That's not exactly a point in Ares' favor. 😕
