Are atheists afraid of judgement?

Most "laws" of physics have noted exceptions to them on either very small or very large levels. Its the general principles (theories) that do a better job of really describing what happens. I generally tend to associate the term law in science with old discoveries, before there was standardized ways of naming things; its pretty pretentious now to describe your discovery as a "law" when so many of them are eventually shown to be false.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What I find interesting is that a lot of Christians accuse science of claiming that the universe was created form nothing, but it's really the other way around. Christians are really the one claiming that the universe came from nothing, while science says that nothingness does not exist.

Originally posted by The MISTER
A lot of christians dismiss far too much science but you are filling in the supernatural with the word nothing. Christians claim that God made the universe, not that nothing made the universe. Christians believe that the universe had an origin and you have stated that the universe is the one thing that has no origin, thus we disagree. Even the virtual particles origins are attempted to be explained however mysterious they are. The christians that are accusing science of suggesting that an origin conclusively does not exist are right to be skeptical. As christians we are aware that though it is not important to all, discrediting the Bible is important to some. On the opposite end you have christians that attempt to discredit science for their own agenda.

No, I am not replacing the word supernatural with the word nothing. I am saying that there is no creation, or origin of the universe. The big bang was just a change in the multiverse.

Originally posted by The MISTER
I could say the same thing about anyone who doesn't agree with 100% of what I explain to them.

See, you can't say in one sentence that you're confused and say that is why you're asking questions, but then speak about getting people to agree 100%. You're not asking questions, you're trying to trap people who believe in nothing to be afraid of to admit they're afraid of the same things that scare you about your own religion. By saying that there need be a consensus of opinion and beliefs at the end of these topics you raise for debate is to ignore totally what it means to be an atheist. To agree with you 100%, the other guy has to buy into the absolutes you're selling as certainty. Atheism doesn't deal in absolute certainty, it deals in knowing no one can know for sure everything you're saying you know for certain. Atheists don't need 100% agreement with their perspective, but yours only seems to work for you if you can get everyone around you to buy into it as well. Saying that people who have no belief in some version of your god are only participating in this discussion because they're not sure is another way of illustrating that you honestly can't grasp the concept, at all.

Originally posted by The MISTER
I agree with what you've stated almost entirely and the only area I have difficulty with is the creation and noah's ark interfering with evolution and world history. The story of the Ark is a story of Noah's faith in God. The flood would explain a drastic climate change that rendered the world inhospitable to the dinosaurs. The detailed descriptions of the leaf eating brontosaurus/behemoth and the ocean ruling mosasaur/leviathan in the Bible lead me to believe that there is likely an error in the dating methods used to read the past. That may seem extreme and possibly illogical, but I see that the Bible's description of the mosasaur is accurate and the plant eating dinosaur as well. Realistically, this strengthens my belief that if I am being deceived then it is by humans that believe themselves to be the authority on all things. The idea that a message can be free from human taint is definitely hard to accept for people who believe that all knowledge comes from humans. Though believing in the Bible requires faith so does believing that humans are the supreme authority. Having no faith in anything is an option that humans can choose also as we can always respond with " I don't know" to even the simplest questions. I really do agree that evolution is not about disproving any faith though. I appreciate this posts message. 😮‍💨

Do you know what a parable is?

Again, you're saying that people have a choice of no option because you are saying your god gave them the option to have free will. It's just another trap you think will allow you to tell others that don't believe exactly as you do, that they really do.

Originally posted by skekUng
See, you can't say in one sentence that you're confused and say that is why you're asking questions, but then speak about getting people to agree 100%. You're not asking questions, you're trying to trap people who believe in nothing to be afraid of to admit they're afraid of the same things that scare you about your own religion. By saying that there need be a consensus of opinion and beliefs at the end of these topics you raise for debate is to ignore totally what it means to be an atheist. To agree with you 100%, the other guy has to buy into the absolutes you're selling as certainty. Atheism doesn't deal in absolute certainty, it deals in knowing no one can know for sure everything you're saying you know for certain. Atheists don't need 100% agreement with their perspective, but yours only seems to work for you if you can get everyone around you to buy into it as well. Saying that people who have no belief in some version of your god are only participating in this discussion because they're not sure is another way of illustrating that you honestly can't grasp the concept, at all.

Originally posted by skekUng
Do you know what a parable is?

Again, you're saying that people have a choice of no option because you are saying your god gave them the option to have free will. It's just another trap you think will allow you to tell others that don't believe exactly as you do, that they really do.

I don't believe it's a parable. (obviously)

Again, you're emoting and trying to tell me what I'm trying to do. 🙄

I'm not an idiot who thinks MY way is the truth and the light. I'm not perfect. Traps? 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

You're a riot! 😮‍💨

Originally posted by The MISTER
I love the fact that you're emoting all over this subject though. It confirms to me that an atheist's beliefs are similar to religious persons in that their emotions become involved. I guess being over-zealous over beliefs can apply to anyone.

I'm not sure what's so interesting about that. People kill each other over sports. Emotions are a result of being human, feeling them says nothing at all about your beliefs (unless you're claiming to be a Vulcan, I guess).

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm not sure what's so interesting about that. People kill each other over sports. Emotions are a result of being human, feeling them says nothing at all about your beliefs (unless you're claiming to be a Vulcan, I guess).

As plain as I made that, an emotional post accuses me of having an agenda, again.

It's cool because now I have a first hand account of what atheists must have to go through. And it's quite interesting.

Originally posted by The MISTER
It's interesting because those emotions led to me being accused of something that I'm not doing which is acting as if I'm on a secret mission to save the lost atheists....I've already concluded that there may be many that claim to be atheists that would be destined for the heaven I believe in with no help from me. I don't consider myself superior to atheists just because I don't agree with them fully and I stated that it was ignorant for anyone to act that way.

As plain as I made that, an emotional post accuses me of having an agenda, again.

It's cool because now I have a first hand account of what atheists must have to go through. And it's quite interesting.

So, someone is getting upset at you for something you didn't do? How ironic.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, someone is getting upset at you for something you didn't do? How ironic.

Originally posted by The MISTER
😆 You're funny!

It is too bad you didn't get it.

as far as God's judgement, you'd have to believe in God beforehand before believeing in his judgement. athists do not believe God exists therefore the fear of his judgement does not exist because there's nothing to be afraid of.

as far as human judgement, sure. athiests are normal people and are afraid of being discriminated against because of their (non) beliefs. in most cases in society it's not a good idea to say you're an atheist especially if you want to be socially mobile at work and/or in your personal life.

in most cases you can't be president of countries of companies, you may be looked at as a devil worshipper, which is asinine because athists do not believe in the devil either. you'll be looked at as a trouble maker or a bad influence and the list goes on.

it's not easy being an athiest amounst the vast hypnotised.

it's like walking amoung zombies and you're the only one alive. but what's keeping you alive is doing what they're doing and pretend in order not to be eaten alive. it's stressful (and even scary).

Originally posted by The MISTER
You do understand the word "could" right? Anyone who expects people to agree with them 100% on everything is stupid. I was saying that I COULD act stupid basically. I could care less to trap anyone...I won't get a check for it will I? Quit trying to put something on me that doesn't fit, and maybe you were right about me being polite cause I'd rather find out more than get emotional on the computer.
I love the fact that you're emoting all over this subject though. It confirms to me that an atheist's beliefs are similar to religious persons in that their emotions become involved. I guess being over-zealous over beliefs can apply to anyone.

Originally posted by The MISTER

I don't believe it's a parable. (obviously)
Again, you're emoting and trying to tell me what I'm trying to do. 🙄
I'm not an idiot who thinks MY way is the truth and the light. I'm not perfect. Traps? 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
You're a riot! 😮‍💨

You don't expect people to agree with you 100% of the time. Sadly, you realize this so well that you come onto internet forums and attempt to point out to atheists how they aren't really athiests. YES, you will get a check for it. At least you believe you will, in this life or the next. You keep saying I'm getting emotional, like I'm a hysterical woman incapable of rational thinking. It's a nice tactic people like yourself tend to use when they're confronted with a more level-headed way of approaching your perspective. It's my lack of emotion that really bothers folks like yourself. In fact, the only emotion I see in anything either of us have said to one another is the dozens of emoticons you seem to use when you feel cornered. (Another tactic meant to illicit an emotional reaction.) Look, I've gotten emotional with people like yourself in the past. From arguing with people like you on forums to face to face confrontations in parking lots to watching people like Kirk Cameron actually tell the television audience he would provide them with a way to get around atheists intellect and convince them of the truth of Christ, you're old hat. Seeing through people like you is the easiest thing in the world.

Originally posted by skekUng
You [b]don't expect people to agree with you 100% of the time. Sadly, you realize this so well that you come onto internet forums and attempt to point out to atheists how they aren't really athiests. YES, you will get a check for it. At least you believe you will, in this life or the next. You keep saying I'm getting emotional, like I'm a hysterical woman incapable of rational thinking. It's a nice tactic people like yourself tend to use when they're confronted with a more level-headed way of approaching your perspective. It's my lack of emotion that really bothers folks like yourself. In fact, the only emotion I see in anything either of us have said to one another is the dozens of emoticons you seem to use when you feel cornered. (Another tactic meant to illicit an emotional reaction.) Look, I've gotten emotional with people like yourself in the past. From arguing with people like you on forums to face to face confrontations in parking lots to watching people like Kirk Cameron actually tell the television audience he would provide them with a way to get around atheists intellect and convince them of the truth of Christ, you're old hat. Seeing through people like you is the easiest thing in the world. [/B]

He hasn't come back sense I pissed him off. 🙁

shakey, seriously, you make the best typos

i have no problem at accepting the possibility of some higher plane of existence, i have a problem with ppl claiming they know what it is and who runs it and how he behaves, wants, thinks... etc ect.. and everyone else is wrong.

having said that i dont fear death nor judgment if it exist.. i dont care enough to fear the end of my existence nor does that fear of judgment motivate me to be a good or bad person.

now i have studied theology and religion for college credit and "if" the Judeo/christian Bible is true. i have to point out that their is no Hell in the judeo version and what is commonly referred as hell is sheol mankinds common grave.

now for christians when christ came he used the sheol/hades terms used by the modern jews/greeks to understand and express his ideals. Jesus also went down down to sheol to raise everyone into eternal life and lock away sheol/hades.

their is no torment. but, let's say we believe the book of revelations and that we will all stand before god and be judged accordingly and our life and name may or may not be in the book of life.

"if you believe in god and accepted jesus which i find that questionable you will live. if not and your name is not in the book you will be thrown into the flame not to be tormented but to cease to exist...

i always find it funny and sad how inaccurate ppl can mistranslates not just their own religion but context..

Originally posted by King Castle
i have no problem at accepting the possibility of some higher plane of existence, i have a problem with ppl claiming they know what it is and who runs it and how he behaves, wants, thinks... etc ect.. and everyone else is wrong.

having said that i dont fear death nor judgment if it exist.. i dont care enough to fear the end of my existence nor does that fear of judgment motivate me to be a good or bad person.

now i have studied theology and religion for college credit and "if" the Judeo/christian Bible is true. i have to point out that their is no Hell in the judeo version and what is commonly referred as hell is sheol mankinds common grave.

now for christians when christ came he used the sheol/hades terms used by the modern jews/greeks to understand and express his ideals. Jesus also went down down to sheol to raise everyone into eternal life and lock away sheol/hades.

their is no torment. but, let's say we believe the book of revelations and that we will all stand before god and be judged accordingly and our life and name may or may not be in the book of life.

"if you believe in god and accepted jesus which i find that questionable you will live. if not and your name is not in the book you will be thrown into the flame not to be tormented but to cease to exist...

i always find it funny and sad how inaccurate ppl can mistranslates not just their own religion but context..

Well, are you not afraid that Santa Clause will put you on his naughty list? 😂

why would anyone fear Tim Allen?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Well, are you not afraid that Santa Clause will put you on his naughty list? 😂

now for Santa i was 4 or 5 when i saw my uncle putting toys in our stockings and under the tree... i knew then there was no santa clause. so, no. i am not afraid.