Originally posted by Shakyamunisonamerican holidays are all about materialism and corporate...
Well, if materialism is all there is to the holiday, then I would understand why you think that.
dont pretend the average american isnt swayed by such things when they celebrate holidays its being pretty disingenuous to themselves.
Originally posted by King Castle
american holidays are all about materialism and corporate...dont pretend the average american isnt swayed by such things when they celebrate holidays is being pretty disingenuous to themselves.
Humans have the ability to destroy the best things in life. But that is not a good reason to ignore the good.
Originally posted by King Castle
Cold hard truth: there is no santa claus, celebrating the coming of Columbus is not something to celebrate any more then you celebrate the holocaust and Hitler's Birth.
Because Columbus Day is such a big part of people's lives? I doubt most people even know when Columbus Day is.
Originally posted by King Castle
i dont miss the point of the holiday i understand its a time for family which is cool... we dont buy presents for each other or put up lights for it and give our money to corporations.
You can give presents with sending a dime to corporations. (well okay I guess if you were to trace back ever bit of material you used in making a gift a dime might go to some corporation) Of course my dislike of corporations doesn't overwhelm my like of family and friends in the first place, so . . .
Originally posted by King Castle
ppl shouldnt need to pick a specific date to be nice and caring...
Of course not. But then no one's suggesting that so, you know, blatant strawman.
Originally posted by King Castle
just like other religions dont need to celebrate dates where one side of a racial group profited at the expense of another.
Like Haunakka and, uh, I can't think of any other even vaguely relevant holidays in that theme.
Originally posted by King Castle
should people expect Meso/Amerinidians to celebrate Thanksgiving b/c it's a holiday?Christmas and Christian Holidays?
View Pocahontas and Sacagawea as a hero?
maybe next America can celebrate the birth of Benedict Arnold.
What? No one in this thread is suggesting that people be forced to celebrate anything.
Originally posted by King Castle
the good is to be with family help one another picking a day to drink and be merry at that thought of it is not a good thing in my book.
OK, your are against drinking. You are also against setting aside one day. In printable I agree with you (but not the drinking part. hee hee) However, that is still not a good reason to only see the negative about the holidays.
Originally posted by Shakyamunisoni didnt say i was against it, i understand the need to be with family and drink which i said that is a cool reason.
OK, your are against drinking. You are also against setting aside one day. In printable I agree with you (but not the drinking part. hee hee) However, that is still not a good reason to only see the negative about the holidays.
ppl wanna celebrate christmas have at it.
my house just isnt decked out nor em i running around buying presents and if i can get the day off then bonus.
that doesnt mean i will drink and celebrate holidays that has really dark history to it no more then i would expect a Jew to hang out and drink with some Skin Head/Neo Nazi's during Christmas to commemorate the Birth of Jesus.
Originally posted by King Castle
i didnt say i was against it, i understand the need to be with family and drink which i said that is a cool reason.ppl wanna celebrate christmas have at it.
my house just isnt decked out nor em i running around buying presents and if i can get the day off then bonus.
that doesnt mean i will drink and celebrate holidays that has really dark history to it no more then i would expect a Jew to hang out and drink with some Skin Head/Neo Nazi's during Christmas to commemorate the Birth of Jesus.
Man! now you have ruined my holidays. 😠 😂
Originally posted by Shakyamunisonsome ppl celebrate holidays, festivals b/c they can relate and are comfortable doing so but, asking someone else to share the same spirit and feeling that they feel from their culture cant always be found or understood.
What? You are no longer making any sense to me.
my family celebrate and drink to the recently decease and do it once a year not in sadness but joy and good spirit. 😎
and yet other's dont feel comfortable sharing such a holiday and can even feel uncomfortable b/c of it.
Originally posted by King Castle
some ppl celebrate holidays, festivals b/c they can relate and are comfortable doing so but, asking someone else to share the same spirit and feeling that they feel from their culture cant always be found or understood.my family celebrate and drink to the recently decease and do it once a year not in sadness but joy and good spirit. 😎
and yet other's dont feel comfortable sharing such a holiday and can even feel uncomfortable b/c of it.
There is something fundamentally wrong with what you are saying. The spirit of Christmas is to bring people together. I could see a skin head and Jew sitting and celebrating Christmas together as a Christmas card (a strange Christmas card, admittedly). It sounds like you want to keep people apart, and focus on the hate, pain and death of the past.
I could be wrong, because I'm having a difficult time understanding your point.
fine, ill explain to you in words you can understand.
The Vulcans come and invade the Klingon Empire for the good of the Klingons.. years later some interbreed some dont.. a good size % are still full klingon or still hold their old traditions..
now another Klingon/Vulcan hybred or full blooded Vulcan tells the Klingon to celebrate the Vulcan holiday and birth of Surak and take this day to meditate and suppress their emotions and be more Vulcan rather then Klingon.... maybe celebrate the Glorious day of the Vulcan conquering Klingon homeworld Qo nos and bringing Logic.
Now the Klingon on his day of celebration the birth of Kalis asked the Vulcan to drink, spar and battle find a woman to mate for the night...
Vulcan: turns and tells them it is unlikely that the Kalis ever existed or that his birth can be so precisely found.. Vulcan only mate once every 6 years and cannot participate in the Klingons day of rejoice.
Originally posted by King Castle
fine, ill explain to you in words you can understand.The Vulcans come and invade the Klingon Empire for the good of the Klingons.. years later some interbreed some dont.. a good size % are still full klingon or still hold their old traditions..
now another Klingon/Vulcan hybred or full blooded Vulcan tells the Klingon to celebrate the Vulcan holiday and birth of Surak and take this day to meditate and suppress their emotions and be more Vulcan rather then Klingon.... maybe celebrate the Glorious day of the Vulcan conquering Klingon homeworld Qo nos and bringing Logic.
Now the Klingon on his day of celebration the birth of Kalis asked the Vulcan to drink, spar and battle find a woman to mate for the night...
Vulcan: turns and tells them it is unlikely that the Kalis ever existed but that his birth can be so precisely found.. Vulcan only made once every 6 years and cannot participate in the Klingons day of rejoice.
😐 I first thought you were stupid for using Star Trek to explain yourself, but it worked. 😆
The spirit of Christmas is the ability for people (Klingons and Vulcans if you like) to be able to put aside their differences, and find common ground. Both people can choose to look at the negative and say no, or they can say, we will do our own thing together.
Christmas is much older then Christianity, and you can celebrate it in anyway you wish.
What I find really funny is this conversation: a Buddhist is telling a trekkie about the spirit of Christmas. 😆 😆