Hulk (Current version) VS Thanos (TI version)

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
It might be ABC logic, but this kind of logic can be applied to indicate clear distinctions in actual levels of power.

Lord Mar-Vell >>> Surfer
Thanos >>> Lord Mar-Vell

Surfer = Top level high herald

You might not like it, but the logic is sound.

What does that have to do with anything? The fact is, the Surfer achieved these feats thru sheer power. The fact that it was the Power Cosmic and not thru Gamma irradiated strength is completely irrelevant to this debate.

Sigh. Taking a step to shake a continent is pointless as the Surfer has wrecked planets. Thor not stopping the Juggernaut's charge is irrelevant as his powers go beyond just strength and that is why he is high herald (Hulk is physically stronger, yes, there is no doubt). Threatening is not doing and dimensions don't fight back (given time any high herald can destroy a dimension if they're not stopped). Someone stating it =/= to it being demonstrated on panel, otherwise Thor has lifted infinite weight before (also Beyonder's been retconned so what he said has been retconned as well). What Surfer did versus TWO high abstracts trumps everything Hulkie has done vs the now-retconned Beyonder.

He wasn't temporarily KOd, he got hit in the face by the hammer when he got caught by surprise and he turned him to glass before he was able to follow up the attack. :-/

Geez, and YOU'RE accusing ppl of LOWBALLING....!

TI Thanos is NOT old Thanos. If what has been shown on-panel is true, he's well above old Thanos (due to the fact that the Surfer is now being portrayed as extremely well below him. Unlike before when the Surfer was actually just a level below Thanos).

The Beyonder was retconned, but the Hulk's power has never been, hence the madder he gets, the stronger he becomes. Would you give me a clear answer? Do you believe that if the Surfer ever tried to go toe to toe with the Juggernaut that he would succeed by defeating Cain of old? The Hulk vs the Surfer as you know has always gone to the Surfer, because of energy leeching. If he tried to combat the Hulk without leeching, he would be dominated.

I said, that the Hulk's power punching would mess up any of those guys if he hit them with blows that broke through dimensions. Now if you turn around and change what I said, you are obviously not addressing my statement but side stepping it. It has taken far less than a punch with the power to open a dimensional rift, than what these guys have been put down by in the past.

Originally posted by dmills
Since you brought it up, just what are those levels? Strength wise I mean.

I'm interested in the answer to this as well.

Gotta go guys. Happy Thanksgiving to all the people that this applies to, and have a great weekend.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yes he has, and can. When he saved Sakaar from exploding, it took him about 10 seconds to ramp up.

10 seconds. my point exactly.

Thanos can turn him into a sock puppet with 3 hits in a quarter of taht time.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Beyonder was retconned, but the Hulk's power has never been, hence the madder he gets, the stronger he becomes.

We KNOW essentially that this is the Hulk's powerset. There is no argument/debate on this. My point was that the Beyonder's power level and him being "impressed" by Hulk's abilities is not as impressive as it is now as it was then.

Originally posted by Stoic
Would you give me a clear answer? Do you believe that if the Surfer ever tried to go toe to toe with the Juggernaut that he would succeed by defeating Cain of old?

He would. Prolly via BFR or by matter manipulating the ground to quicksand or by simply negating gravity and letting Jugs float to space.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk vs the Surfer as you know has always gone to the Surfer, because of energy leeching. If he tried to combat the Hulk without leeching, he would be dominated.

Lets seeee.....

What can the Surfer do the Hulk? BFR, Astral Assault, Ranged attack + flight, Intangibility+energy blast, sucking him into a black hole, teleporting him into space and just blasting him while he floats helplessly, imprisoning him inside his board....

vs.

Hulk punching him IF the Surfer decides to go Hand to Hand.

With someone like Loeb writing, yeah Hulk would beat the Surfer. But in a forum fight? I think I'll go with the Surfer on this.

Originally posted by Stoic
I said, that the Hulk's power punching would mess up any of those guys if he hit them with blows that broke through dimensions.

And what I said was that ALL herald levelers have crazy feats. And the Surfer has him trumped in crazy feats.

Basing his success vs characters via the use of ONE ambiguous (dimension-smashing is NOT a quantifiable feat) high showing and assuming that he even manages to connect with this attack is a poor way to debate.

Especially when the one time the Hulk managed to punch the Surfer, the Surfer just stood there and took it.

Originally posted by Stoic
Now if you turn around and change what I said, you are obviously not addressing my statement but side stepping it.

When exactly did I change what you said? Please indicate this so I can correct myself.

Originally posted by Stoic
It has taken far less that a punch with the power to open a dimensional rift, than what these guys have been put down by in the past.

And the Hulk's punches has done far less than "open a dimensional rift". All characters have high and low showings. Basing that Hulk's punches will always hit at that level is a poor way to debate especially since current Hulk's punches hasn't quite done that yet.

Are people arguing for Hulk here? Seriously?

Also, the only thing I read here was that Surfer couldn't beat Hulk without leeching his powers... except when he has, twice.

LULZ @ the Hulk fanboys.

How is this still up for debate.

Thanos stomps him just like he stomps all heralds.

Thanos stomps

Originally posted by iceman24567
Thanos stomps

Hulk wtfstomps.

Originally posted by Badabing
Hulk wtfstomps.

happywank

The hulk Force is coming... wait for it! 🙂.

Originally posted by Stoic
The hulk Force is coming... wait for it! 🙂.

I can't wait for it! durhulk

Originally posted by Stoic
The hulk Force is coming... wait for it! 🙂.

This actually made it to five pages? Wow.

anyone with high end 100+ strength should be able to defeat the average Hulk in a forum fight by savagely beating him before he is even allowed to get mad enough to contend against them..

i would think the PIS rule would negate Hulk's gets stronger as the fight goes on when his durability shouldnt be high enough to allow him to reach the strength lvl needed.

i mean anyone with common sense should rape stomp Hulk if they have standard knowledge of him...

imo

Originally posted by Badabing
This post brought a tear to my eye. durcry2

I can't wait for it! durhulk

Me too... ha ha ha ha ha! Merry Christmas!

Thanos dominates.

Originally posted by King Castle
anyone with high end 100+ strength should be able to defeat the average Hulk in a forum fight by savagely beating him before he is even allowed to get mad enough to contend against them..

i would think the PIS rule would negate Hulk's gets stronger as the fight goes on when his durability shouldnt be high enough to allow him to reach the strength lvl needed.

i mean anyone with common sense should rape stomp Hulk if they have standard knowledge of him...

imo

Yea but in a comic if this were true he would have lost to thor by being hit one time right? It seems that the Hulk has always been hardier than forum posters give him credit. The Hulk Force is coming, and I can't wait to read all of the hate, and denial. There will be a lot of wailing, and gnashing of teeth on that day. 😂

Originally posted by Stoic
Yea but in a comic if this were true he would have lost to thor by being hit one time right? It seems that the Hulk has always been hardier than forum posters give him credit. The Hulk Force is coming, and I can't wait to read all of the hate, and denial. There will be a lot of wailing, and gnashing of teeth on that day. 😂