Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Omega Mutant? That term in itself means sh*t. Just like Gods, Elder Gods, etc. mean sh*t.If attaching labels like Omega Mutants justifies reality warping, I'll begin preparing for Iceman taking out Galactus.
Marvel have been prepping out Omega Mutants to be the next beings to replace the Abstracts themselves. For once I am glad we see a glimmer of this, otherwise members would baw, and call it a hype job.
Originally posted by "Id"
Marvel have been prepping out Omega Mutants to be the next beings to replace the Abstracts themselves. For once I am glad we see a glimmer of this, otherwise members would baw, and call it a hype job.
What? When? There was some sh*t about humans and such involving into Eternity's etc. a while back but other than that, high end powerful characters have been simply used as plot devices.
The term Omega Mutant means little and is in no way a justification of what he did. The term Omega Mutant probably means the least now since it's introduction. Writers simply have a fetish for high end crazy characters for some reason. Mutant or non mutant.
I don't understand why you're trying to defend the feat. Absolutely nothing I've seen from Legion justifies it in any way. It was completely out of left field.
You seem to have a preference for characters that are wanked a lot -Sentry, X-man, Marquis of Death, Legion etc.- based on what I've seen so I get why you'd like this, but Omega Mutant classification simply doesn't cut it.
No one's denying the feat or calling it PIS. I accept it, like I did Sentry vs. Molecule Man. Just pointing out the idiocy, randomness etc. of it and its unnecessary nature. That's all I've been trying to do.
Anyways, that's my two cents on this.
Don’t wet your panties, defending Legion’s latest appearance has little to do character wanking.
Your only beef is, Legion manifesting grand scale reality warp, considering his previous track record. To a certain extant, yes it was DEM moment. Yet its not out of the question, if you realize that Omega Mutants have been preped specifically to be DEM since X-Men Forever.
You can rant, rage, rave, and baw as much as you want. But at the end of the day Marvel did specify these mutants are entering the final stage before becoming Celestial entities, leaving the door open for moments of OMG PLOT!!
Me personally, I would be more pissed if they simply whore the hype phrases around, and never get around to justify whey they are being referenced as such. I would feel more at ease if, Marvel decided to explore, and clarify what it means to be an Omega mutant considering you have several of these Mutants active on Earth.
PS. If you are a monstrous Psi, it falls within reason for you to manipulate reality.
what i got from that scan is that legion had been and underperforming reality warper all along, just like wanda, and the true legion personality is just able to access this power. i do not think he gained any abilities from the minds he absorbed, they just managed to access a portion of his powers to reproduce their own powers from their memories. As for how retarded the whole thing was, I actually like the story arc and its conclusion, specially the character development shown for sunspot, magik and legion, so I find his DEM power up entirely justified.
Originally posted by "Id"
Don’t wet your panties, defending Legion’s latest appearance has little to do character wanking.Your only beef is, Legion manifesting grand scale reality warp, considering his previous track record. To a certain extant, yes it was DEM moment. Yet its not out of the question, if you realize that Omega Mutants have been preped specifically to be DEM since X-Men Forever.
I give no shit whether his a reality warper or not but defending this feat, especially with a defense as laughable as "But his an Omega Mutant!" is just silly.
Admit it was out of left field, and let's just leave it at that.
Originally posted by "Id"
You can rant, rage, rave, and baw as much as you want. But at the end of the day Marvel did specify these mutants are entering the final stage before becoming Celestial entities, leaving the door open for moments of OMG PLOT!!
Do I honestly have tell you how silly it is to use the classification of Omega Mutant to justify this feat? It's just a term. It means less now than ever before. IIRC, even Emma Frost was called an Omega Mutant.
Originally posted by "Id"
Me personally, I would be more pissed if they simply whore the hype phrases around, and never get around to justify whey they are being referenced as such. I would feel more at ease if, Marvel decided to explore, and clarify what it means to be an Omega mutant considering you have several of these Mutants active on Earth.PS. If you are a monstrous Psi, it falls within reason for you to manipulate reality.
The term Omega Mutant is just that, a term. A classification a writer uses when he wants to hype a character.
It means shit. Iceman is an Omega Mutant. Wasn't Storm supposedly a potential Omega Mutant?
I have no idea how having high end Psi leads to reality warping but it's still a better argument then using the term Omega Mutant as a defense.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I give no shit whether his a reality warper or not but defending this feat, especially with a defense as laughable as "But his an Omega Mutant!" is just silly.Admit it was out of left field, and let's just leave it at that.
Do I honestly have tell you how silly it is to use the classification of Omega Mutant to justify this feat? It's just a term. It means less now than ever before. IIRC, even Emma Frost was called an Omega Mutant.
The term Omega Mutant is just that, a term. A classification a writer uses when he wants to hype a character.
It means shit. Iceman is an Omega Mutant. Wasn't Storm supposedly a potential Omega Mutant?
I have no idea how having high end Psi leads to reality warping but it's still a better argument then using the term Omega Mutant as a defense.
I am done arguing the labeling of a mutants. Since your focal point is that its just a dead end label, when marvel has written otherwise. Your not attacking the main point, just recycling your only argument.
In order to understand how Psionics can warp reality, I first need to define what it is.
Psionics is the ability to manifest a paranormal phenomena, or the practice of psychic abilities through mental energy. Telepathy, Telekinesis, Precognition etc… are produced by your mental energy. These abilities in return allow you to reach out, and effect the world through your psyche.
You have classical psi characters that predominately manifest one or two types of psychic abilities. Xavier (TP), Hisako Ichiki (Psi Armor), Vector (TK). Etc..
Then you have non classical characters that can psionically manipulate an element. Iceman (Moisture), Magneto (EM) etc..
While others are regarded as Psi with limitless potential, able to manifest in ways unimaginable. Onslaught, Exodus, Legion, X-Man etc. These people at one point, have done more then just your classical abilities.
This is justified since at no point, was Psionics ever limited to its classical use. Willingly Legion can tune in his mental energy, and manipulate Gravity or Electromagnetism like X-Man has. Or as is the current case, he can tune his mental energy to reality, and manipulate it like Franklin Richards has. After all Franklin Richards is a Psi who manipulates the world through his psyche.
Cheers - Id
Originally posted by "Id"
I am done arguing the labeling of a mutants. Since your focal point is that its just a dead end label, when marvel has written otherwise. Your not attacking the main point, just recycling your only argument.
😬 From what I've read, that's exactly what Marvel has been doing.
Originally posted by "Id"
In order to understand how Psionics can warp reality, I first need to define what it is.
Psionics is the ability to manifest a paranormal phenomena, or the practice of psychic abilities through mental energy. Telepathy, Telekinesis, Precognition etc… are produced by your mental energy. These abilities in return allow you to reach out, and effect the world through your psyche.You have classical psi characters that predominately manifest one or two types of psychic abilities. Xavier (TP), Hisako Ichiki (Psi Armor), Vector (TK). Etc..
Then you have non classical characters that can psionically manipulate an element. Iceman (Moisture), Magneto (EM) etc..
While others are regarded as Psi with limitless potential, able to manifest in ways unimaginable. Onslaught, Exodus, Legion, X-Man etc. These people at one point, have done more then just your classical abilities.
This is justified since at no point, was Psionics ever limited to its classical use. Willingly Legion can tune in his mental energy, and manipulate Gravity or Electromagnetism like X-Man has. Or as is the current case, he can tune his mental energy to reality, and manipulate it like Franklin Richards has. After all Franklin Richards is a Psi who manipulates the world through his psyche.
Cheers - Id
So in essence, because Psi powers allow one to defy physics, it's in essence reality warping?
Do you rank magic as reality warping too? I don't care as long as your consistent.
I think Psi users, are just that, Psi users. When they start manipulating reality, then I'll start classifying them as reality warpers. This applies to all categories, whether it's magicians or matter manipulators.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When the hell did Legion become capable of warping reality? A threat to the entire Universe? That was as random as Sentry vs. Molecule Man. He had powerful telekinetic, telepathic and teleporting capabilities but nothing anywhere close to that as I recall.
Did he not do that to travel back in time and killed Xavier? There were like 50 Watchers, watching him at the time at the time or something.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSo in essence, because Psi powers allow one to defy physics, it's in essence reality warping?
Do you rank magic as reality warping too? I don't care as long as your consistent.
I think Psi users, are just that, Psi users. When they start manipulating reality, then I'll start classifying them as reality warpers. This applies to all categories, whether it's magicians or matter manipulators.
In lame terms Psi in its purest form is Mental Energy. Regardless if they are manipulating matter, energy, space, time, or reality. If its being done through psi, they are psionic characters.
Magic is a bit trickier. Since it follows its own set of laws.
Originally posted by "Id"yeah technically anyone can do magic in some shape or form. It just requires the proper ritual, spiritual knowledge or perhaps the appeasement of some higher power or demon. Of course obtaining the knowledge is often a bit problematic as the mystic groups tend to be a bit secretive and avatars of gods tend not to share and avatars of demons have the nasty tendency of being wiped out rather quickly by "good"/competitor heroes/mystics and or being greedy with power.
In lame terms Psi in its purest form is Mental Energy. Regardless if they are manipulating matter, energy, space, time, or reality. If its being done through psi, they are psionic characters.Magic is a bit trickier. Since it follows its own set of laws.