Originally posted by OneDumbG0i like your conviction , now go one better and please account for the 2 wins you give sabretooth...you make the team winning sound so conclusive whats your justification for giving sabretooth any wins at all? 😕
^ Pretty much.You want to compare feats? The team stomps Sabes in that category. You want to compare how it would be portrayed in a comic? Feel free to make an argument.
Otherwise, Team 8/10.
Lets start to argue Cap vs Sabertooth now
Sabertooth isn't dodging a shield throw from Cap and hes definitely not faster than him either.
Cap has feats of throwing the shield and it catching up to missiles and throwing the Shield and cutting through multiple alloy helicopters and tanks. Bucky's Robo arm is stronger than Caps throwing strength.
Bucky would blind Sabertooth in both eyes as soon as the fight starts. Sabertooth isn't a bullet timer and his only speed feats amount to nothing but powerscaling which has no substance in an actual debate.
Sabertooth isn't beating either of them in combat and hes definitely not tanking either of them hitting him with the Shield.
Oh we have been... well most of us anyway. At least..... we've been arguing Sabretooth as he exists in the comics and not the fabrications you've somehow come up with in your head...
Sabretooth's faster than Cap it's not up for debate.
Bucky's arm isn't stronger than Ms. Marvel so there goes that.
Sabretooth's dodged Punisher's automatic gunfire, he can dodge a revolver or a luger. Sabretooth's dodged optic blasts he can dodge a revolver or a luger.
Even without dodging, against an active Sabretooth Bucky's chances of landing two clean hits in both Creed's eyes are slim to nil... and...
EVEN THEN, we've seen evidence suggesting Sabretooth could be able to function based on the sense of touch and vibrations in the air alone...
PLUS
the fact that Creed's healing factor was so absurd by the end of his career such a tactic if successful wouldn't only be an annoyance to Creed for a matter of seconds. Not even a full minute. 😐
Sabretooth has plenty of feats PLUS power-scaling. The fact that you want to ignore the ladder so much only goes to show what kind of desperate excuse for an argument you're left to come up with.
Sabretooth unable to beat either Cap or Bucky in combat = 😆
Sabretooth not being able to tank a shield hit = 😂 🤣 😂
Love your comedy act Sas, it's pure gold.
Originally posted by SasuOnaBucky robotic arm is downgraded to normal human strength while he's in jail (recent CA comic).
Lets start to argue Cap vs Sabertooth nowSabertooth isn't dodging a shield throw from Cap and hes definitely not faster than him either.
Cap has feats of throwing the shield and it catching up to missiles and throwing the Shield and cutting through multiple alloy helicopters and tanks. Bucky's Robo arm is stronger than Caps throwing strength.Bucky would blind Sabertooth in both eyes as soon as the fight starts. Sabertooth isn't a bullet timer and his only speed feats amount to nothing but powerscaling which has no substance in an actual debate.
Sabertooth isn't beating either of them in combat and hes definitely not tanking either of them hitting him with the Shield.
Thanks to Tony Stark touch*
Originally posted by SasuOna
Sabertooth isn't beating either of them in combat
this snippet is all anyone will ever need to know about A) your blind fanboyism or B) - if its not that - it's your blind wolverine assossiation hate, eitherway you'll be my first ignore on KMC because "Sabretooth can't take Bucky 1v1" is bordering on Comic Book Rumbles Lunacy, and that way madness lay, good day sir.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I haven't even given my justifications for the team winning 8 yet. How you're confused over such conviction is curious.
ok, then would you care to GIVE your justification for the 2/10 you gave sabretooth? That would be the next logical step in the debate.
The OP asked the question
You have responded "team STOMP ( 😕 ) 8/10"
and now you've been asked to elaborate on how Sabretooth wins his 2, failing this you could just man up and say what you really wanna say. Team "STOMP" 10/10. then we could end the debate there on the account of nonsense and bafoonery.
^ Or I can just say that Cap has defeated far more formidable foes than Sabretooth throughout his career consistently and that his teamwork with Bucky (despite the 60 years gap) is more of an advantage than a disadvantage and that despite Sabes' healing factor, he can still get knocked out like th rest of em...
... so the team wins 8/10 at least against a foe like Sabretooth.
Then again... I can just make blanket ABC logic statements like Cap+Bucky beat U-Foes, so clearly they beat Sabretooth.
Or Cap's dodged more bullets than Sabretooth so clearly he's faster than Sabaretooth.
Or Cap's knocked out foes more durable than Sabretooth so clearly he can knock Sabretooth easily.
Or Cap's tanked Namor's punches so he easily tanks Sabretooth's attacks.
Etc, Etc.
^ Oh. Here I was thinking you were just trying to get me to elucidate every single reason I base my opinion on, and in case I don't, you can rest your laurels on how I didn't as if it were some validation of your blanket question.
I think Sabretooth can win 2/10 because he is that formidable. And he does it by being that vicious and possibly by preying on the protective attitude that Bucky and Cap share of each other. That is, he guts one of them... and the other is too busy clamoring over themselves to put him back together that Sabes capitalizes.
But Sabes gutting or eviscerating or throat-slashing one of them is a 2/10 chance. When's the last time you've seen Cap/Bucky shot in the gut or gutted? Particularly when it's 2 vs 1, particularly when they both have weapons, particularly when their teamwork hasn't suffered any setbacks since WW2.
Did I take your question too seriously or not seriously enough? I can't tell anymore.
lol, now you're just being silly, how is Sabretooth getting in for a throat slash against these two master combatants? They're both faster and have defeated teams more formidable than Sabretooth, and lets face it Sabes has been knocked out by far less than what we have seen Cap dish out. And now you say - so nonchalantly - that Sabes guts one of these guys 2/10 , wit the level of team work displayed by the pair?
Cap and Bucky get mortally wounded by someone slower, who can't win a feat war against the pair. And who can be knocked out by either..What? whens the last time YOU saw either of them get throat shotted or gutted huh?
TEAM stomp this yo'..
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Originally posted by jinzin
Oh we have been... well most of us anyway. At least..... we've been arguing Sabretooth as he exists in the comics and not the fabrications you've somehow come up with in your head...Sabretooth's faster than Cap it's not up for debate.
Bucky's arm isn't stronger than Ms. Marvel so there goes that.
Sabretooth's dodged Punisher's automatic gunfire, he can dodge a revolver or a luger. Sabretooth's dodged optic blasts he can dodge a revolver or a luger.
Even without dodging, against an active Sabretooth Bucky's chances of landing two clean hits in both Creed's eyes are slim to nil... and...
EVEN THEN, we've seen evidence suggesting Sabretooth could be able to function based on the sense of touch and vibrations in the air alone...
PLUS
the fact that Creed's healing factor was so absurd by the end of his career such a tactic if successful wouldn't only be an annoyance to Creed for a matter of seconds. Not even a full minute. 😐Sabretooth has plenty of feats PLUS power-scaling. The fact that you want to ignore the ladder so much only goes to show what kind of desperate excuse for an argument you're left to come up with.
Sabretooth unable to beat either Cap or Bucky in combat = 😆
Sabretooth not being able to tank a shield hit = 😂 🤣 😂
Love your comedy act Sas, it's pure gold.
We know that Cyclop's optic blasts are lightspeed so the notion that Creed isn't aimdodging and actually has those types of reactions is hilarious.
We already know the Ms Marvel instance is blatant PIS and your the only one still trying to argue that point anyway when logically him not getting hurt by class 60 characters is wildly inconsistent.
Show me where Sabertooth has been shown to be superior to Cap and Bucky in skill. Besides experience going to Creed both of them are easily ranked at the top tier H2H of the MU.
I'm ignoring his PIS powerscaling because in a debate we go by feats and not ABC logic. Sabertooth has the feats for you to be able to construct an argument without using powerscaling in any way shape or form.
Sabertooth would be able to smell them while blinded nothing more his other senses aren't that sharp.
I await the many more straw man arguments your going to try and use without any type of proof to back said claims up.
JuK3n: Typical straw-man. I suppose you haven't taken into account foes who have combatted both Cap and Bucky who aren't master combatants through their sheer physicality and resiliency. Baron Blood, Crossbones, Namor, etc. Then again, I suppose you're just trying to bait me into making your argument for you.
No matter. Cap and Bucky would win this handily 8/10. At least. For whatever reason that you have so far failed to elucidate, you mock that position.
You're entitled. Don't expect me to keep humoring your constant non-questionsp, inchoate criticisms and "begging-the-question" fallacies. There's only so far I'm willing to make you feel vindicated over such shallow positions.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Or I can just say that Cap has defeated far more formidable foes than Sabretooth throughout his career consistently and that his teamwork with Bucky (despite the 60 years gap) is more of an advantage than a disadvantage and that despite Sabes' healing factor, he can still get knocked out like th rest of em...... so the team wins 8/10 at least against a foe like Sabretooth.
Then again... I can just make blanket ABC logic statements like Cap+Bucky beat U-Foes, so clearly they beat Sabretooth.
Or Cap's dodged more bullets than Sabretooth so clearly he's faster than Sabaretooth.
Or Cap's knocked out foes more durable than Sabretooth so clearly he can knock Sabretooth easily.
Or Cap's tanked Namor's punches so he easily tanks Sabretooth's attacks.
Etc, Etc.
Suffers the same pitfalls as when Deadline argued it.
"Sabretooth's fought tougher, beat tougher and is tougher".
Works both ways which is why it doesn't work.
Originally posted by SasuOna
Aim dodging isn't bullet timingWe know that Cyclop's optic blasts are lightspeed so the notion that Creed isn't aimdodging and actually has those types of reactions is hilarious.
We already know the Ms Marvel instance is blatant PIS and your the only one still trying to argue that point anyway when logically him not getting hurt by class 60 characters is wildly inconsistent.
Show me where Sabertooth has been shown to be superior to Cap and Bucky in skill. Besides experience going to Creed both of them are easily ranked at the top tier H2H of the MU.
I'm ignoring his PIS powerscaling because in a debate we go by feats and not ABC logic. Sabertooth has the feats for you to be able to construct an argument without using powerscaling in any way shape or form.
Sabertooth would be able to smell them while blinded nothing more his other senses aren't that sharp.
I await the many more straw man arguments your going to try and use without any type of proof to back said claims up.
Aim dodging is a subjective argument and besides that... irrelevant. Sabretooth can keep himself from being tagged in close quarters by automatic gunfire from the likes of Punisher's marksmenship... Bucky's chances of landing two shots right into his eyes are unlikely as hell.
I don't think Cyclops shoot "lightspeed" blasts. 😕
Him not getting hurt by brick punches is the norm, you're the only one calling it PIS... 😐
His skills have nothing to do with this... Though he's a competent fighter in his own right I don't need to prove he's better than them.. he doesn't have to be.
powerscaling isn't a PIS related issue, it's a character powerset one.
You're telling me we go by feats but ignoring the feats that keep getting brought up in this thread.. you can't honestly be this stupid.
And yeah, Sabretooth DOES have the feats free of powerscaling, powerscaling just makes the situation more hopeless if you think this team is walking away with the majority.
Those feats you were talking about earlier prove you wrong.
😂
I'm pretty sure I've been the only one providing proof in this thread.. while you blatantly ignore it like a crazy drunk person.
Your bafoonery knows no bounds... At this point I have to agree with Juk, ignoring you seems to be the only way to go.
Yeah...
Spiderman also got in the way. Sabretooth can dodge Punisher but not indefintely.
Yea I know its PIS.
