Captain America and Bucky vs Sabretooth · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by jinzin
There you go Starscream... no compromise can be reached because anything that isn't ODG being 100% "right" isn't something he's willing to even for one second acknowledge.

What he asked wasn't about me. It's about what you refused to do. He asked me to acknowledge both are right on the two conclusions he laid out which aren't mutually exclusive. He asked you the same. You refused. Don't make this about you and me and stop making it personal. Your arguments are sh1t. No need to turn this into a mud-flinging context about each others' personalities.

Originally posted by jinzin
Doesn't automatically dictate that he supported it
Yes jet effect something that should be taken into consideration given the context of the panel text as jet effect automatically allows for damage to the brain without a hole in his head big enough for a large round to go through.

They're both instances of the vulnerability being spoken of and explained on-panel. It's hat you asked for. Chew on it for a while. I couldn't care less that yo're relying on the jet effect to brush off Wolverine describing a round going straight through his eye to the brain. We both know your farcical request for explanations are met with a petulant resistance.

Originally posted by jinzin
Got beaten with his own equiptment.. Not sure I need to consider him an authority on Sabretooth when 1. we don't know who he is.. and
2. his statement is in direct contrast with on panel depictions.

It actually supports the on-panel depictions. This isn't Bzarro-world, son.

Originally posted by jinzin
No it's not Srank already enlightened you on what it is we're actually looking for... take a hint, you don't have it.
Under your own analytical microscope, you can't prove that he did. 😐

Yeah, Stryfe makes Wovlerine stab himself through his own eyes, he hs brain damage. And somehow, you both think Stryfe used tk to cause the brain damage.

What a trainwreck.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Looks like it:

Trackz Senior Member

Originally posted by Juk3n
so how do you account for the x-rays where there is no hole big enough for a bullet?

How do you account for the fact that bullets have pierced his skull multiple times? I think everyone recognizes this has happened a lot of times and that it will probably continue to happen. Again how do you account for the fact that Wolverine heals his memories when he IS shot in the brain? how do you account for the fact he remains conscious when he's depicting as losing what seems like gallons of blood sometimes. Honestly these things shouldn't happen but they do.

Again just because Wolverine can be shot in the brain doesn't mean every character wit ha gun suddenly holds a majority over him. This really isn't an issue that needs to be debated as heavily as it has.

Trackz Senior Member

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

I knew he's still thinking but he has apparently lost mobility unless you think he's playing possum?

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Trackz
Again just because Wolverine can be shot in the brain doesn't mean every character wit ha gun suddenly holds a majority over him. This really isn't an issue that needs to be debated as heavily as it has.

Because they're all afraid that everybody and their mother will assume a pistol = auto-victory that they won't even allow for the conversation to take place about whether someone would manage it,let alone that it actually is a possibility.

Transparent is transparent.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Originally posted by Trackz
How do you account for the fact that bullets have pierced his skull multiple times? I think everyone recognizes this has happened a lot of times and that it will probably continue to happen. Again how do you account for the fact that Wolverine heals his memories when he IS shot in the brain? how do you account for the fact he remains conscious when he's depicting as losing what seems like gallons of blood sometimes. Honestly these things shouldn't happen but they do.
Again just because Wolverine can be shot in the brain doesn't mean every character wit ha gun suddenly holds a majority over him. This really isn't an issue that needs to be debated as heavily as it has.

How do you account for the fact that bullets have failed to pierced his skull even more times? Cellular memory. Blood Regeneration.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Originally posted by Trackz
I knew he's still thinking but he has apparently lost mobility unless you think he's playing possum?

He is playing possum, he disappears the moment they look away. I posted some more scans on the last page before the bumb of Wolverine getting shot in the eyes as well if you missed them.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You do you account for the fact that bullets have failed to pierced his skull even more times?

The times it's been purposefully tried, it's worked. What revisionist attitude are you trying to force on us here? Considering that you will deny it ever happening in two of the most obvious instances, where are you actually admitting it did work?

Get a grip on yourself, your inconsistencies are unravelling your overall position. You both switch from, "It shouldn't have happened." to "It never happened." to "It's happened not that many times more than it's not." to "It's not happened more times than it's not." to "It's happened but we should dismiss it as PIS anyway."

Those aren't all consistent with each other and moving the goalposts is a clear sign of weakness. Figure it out amongst yourselves.

Trackz Senior Member

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You do you account for the fact that bullets have failed to pierced his skull even more times? Cellular memory. Blood Regeneration.

No one said it should happen every time, I believe it's been stated this would be something very had to do, and most of the scans I've seen in which Wolverine is hit in the eye he is dropped, the lengths of time vary, but it does appear to affect him.

There's no way new cells would be able regenerate the memories one they were lost completely. (like when he was reduced to a skeleton

That doesn't change the fact the rapid pressure change should render him unconscious.

Starscream M Senior Member

oh how I wish Dum Dum was on right now...

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The times it's been purposefully tried, it's worked. What revisionist attitude are you trying to force on us here? Considering that you will deny it ever happening in two of the most obvious instances, where are yo actually admitting it did work?
Get a grip on yourself, your inconsistencies are unravelling your overall position.

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Maybe take a second and try your best to string together a coherent sentence before you post because I have no clue what you are trying to say.

All you can show conclusively is that Wolverine has been shot in the eye / nose / whatever, which no one was ever doubting, what you can't show is any definitive brain penetration in a singe scans you have. Interpretation of the scans are subjective, but with the weight of evidence to the contrary I don't see how any rational person could believe there is anything that suggests decisively that Wolverine is missing bones. We've seen the bones he would need to be missing. We've seen him shrug off bullets to the eye more than he has been hindered by them. We know that Weapon X believe his skull is impenetrable and requires specialist anti-metal bullets. All you can show is that Wolverine has been shot in the eye / nose and that the force was enough cause some rupturing and internal bleeding and ko some weaker versions of Wolverine... which we can ignore as PIS.

Trackz Senior Member

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He is playing possum, he disappears the moment they look away. I posted some more scans on the last page before the bumb of Wolverine getting shot in the eyes as well if you missed them.

I saw those, the scans drawn by chaykin have Wolverine get hit in the eye, the next panel says 5 minutes later so maybe he was taken out. Also I dont think anyone ever argued that putting a bullet through Wolverines skull should be easy, it's not surprising if he's been hit in the eye and it didn't go through the hole. Also the one case in which it hits his eye dead on also has a bullet going through his knee cap...so

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What he asked wasn't about me. It's about what you refused to do. He asked me to acknowledge both are right on the two conclusions he laid out which aren't mutually exclusive. He asked you the same. You refused. Don't make this about you and me and stop making it personal. Your arguments are sh1t. No need to turn this into a mud-flinging context about each others' personalities. They're both instances of the vulnerability being spoken of and explained on-panel. It's hat you asked for. Chew on it for a while. I couldn't care less that yo're relying on the jet effect to brush off Wolverine describing a round going straight through his eye to the brain. We both know your farcical request for explanations are met with a petulant resistance. It actually supports the on-panel depictions. This isn't Bzarro-world, son. Yeah, Stryfe makes Wovlerine stab himself through his own eyes, he hs brain damage. And somehow, you both think Stryfe used tk to cause the brain damage.
What a trainwreck.

Isn't about me.
He asked to reach a compromise, I did, I have.. you can't accept that because of some bullshit self serving micro analyzing that one gets used in hypocritical fashion and ignored when its used against you.

It's not what I asked for. It's presumptive nonsense that isn't supported and 100% proven within the confines of that story or out of it.
Srank already gave you two examples of other characters being credible evidence. Being a witness to the weakness then making a statement to that witness... A lot more different than presuming something based on a typical anatomical error of ignorance.

An Explosive round a point blank range would do a number of things to the orbital fissure. That scan doesn't automatically dictate truth to what you're attempting to prove and jet effect is one of a number of reasons why.. Don't be so willfully ignorant.

I don't think Stryfe used Tk to cause brain damage, that's your presumption of my position.

I'm just using your own analytical microscope against you and you don't like it in typical ODG fashion.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Originally posted by Trackz
I saw those, the scans drawn by chaykin have Wolverine get hit in the eye, the next panel says 5 minutes later so maybe he was taken out. Also I dont think anyone ever argued that putting a bullet through Wolverines skull should be easy, it's not surprising if he's been hit in the eye and it didn't go through the hole. Also the one case in which it hits his eye dead on also has a bullet going through his knee cap...so

I don't think he was shot in the eye in that first panel, it happened sometime during the 5 minutes. In the other example it was a .50 cal anti-tank round, the force alone would blow the flesh off the back of his knee.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by jinzin
Isn't about me.
He asked to reach a compromise, I did, I have.. you can't accept that because of some bullshit self serving micro analyzing that one gets used in hypocritical fashion and ignored when its used against you.

No. The only thing I'm not accepting is your pandering that you aren't insulting your own intelligence here. What micro analysis is required for yo to conclude that Stryfe made Wolverine stab himself in the eye through to the brain? Gimme a break!

Originally posted by jinzin
It's not what I asked for. It's presumptive nonsense that isn't supported and 100% proven within the confines of that story or out of it.

It isn't presumptive nonsense Bizarro. Everything you've been spouting is the presumptive nonsense. Somehow, Stryfe must have used tk to give Wolverine brain damage, somehow Wolverine was focusing on jet effect from the explosive round rather than the explosive round, somehow Wolverine gets his brain penetrated half a dozen times but he doesn't.

You're butchering of the English language, willful ignorance of the plain presentation of the scans and hypocritical attitude towards such an ultimately frivolous point that Wolverine can, because he has repeatedly, have his brain penetrated.

I get it. You're trolling.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Maybe take a second and try your best to string together a coherent sentence before you post because I have no clue what you are trying to say.
All you can show conclusively is that Wolverine has been shot in the eye / nose / whatever, which no one was ever doubting, what you can't show is any definitive brain penetration in a singe scans you have. Interpretation of the scans are subjective, but with the weight of evidence to the contrary I don't see how any rational person could believe there is anything that suggests decisively that Wolverine is missing bones. We've seen the bones he would need to be missing. We've seen him shrug off bullets to the eye more than he has been hindered by them. We know that Weapon X believe his skull is impenetrable and requires specialist anti-metal bullets. All you can show is that Wolverine has been shot in the eye / nose and that the force was enough cause some rupturing and internal bleeding and ko some weaker versions of Wolverine... which we can ignore as PIS.

Try and look at the Stryfe scans again and tell me that Wolverine stabbed his own brain. Until then, your running nonsensical diatribe is meaningless.

You can't even stomach what happens directly on-panel. I'm not going to entertain your worthless attempts to move the goal posts. I thought at first we were at step 3, "yea, it's happened on-panel, is it legit?"

You're not even at step 1, "hey has it actually happened on-panel once?" Seriously, stop wasting time acting like there's even an argument here. Jet effects, off-panel tk. Give me a break! WHere the phuck do you get that Wolverine is thinking about the jet effect here:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ What the... he's friggin clawed himself and givin him brain damage!

How is this not positive? Was his claw pressurized and caused deep impact? lol

I get it. You're trolling.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're butchering of the English language,

Was this intentional? 😕

Trackz Senior Member

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't think he was shot in the eye in that first panel, it happened sometime during the 5 minutes. In the other example it was a .50 cal anti-tank round, the force alone would blow the flesh off the back of his knee.

I mean if you look carefully it does look kinda like his eye it blacked out and reddened. How would the force of the shot be transmitted through the adamantium? I feel like it'd me more likely for Wolverine whole leg to shoot back

Deadline Junior Member

I dunno DumbGo I don't always agree with the Wolverine side but I think in this case they have a good argument. You seem to be just putting your fingers in your ears.