Captain America and Bucky vs Sabretooth

Started by Tha C-Master26 pages

Originally posted by King Castle
well if colossus is the standard for possessing legitimate durability i am willing to except and concede that sabe does not have superhuman durability. 😉
In the end it doesn't matter about whether he's more durable than Colossus, he's more durable than a peak human. Some people seem to think Super durable means bulletproof or above. Obviously if someone like Wondy or Thor can trade hits with Superman and Silver Surfer they are super durable. There are different types of durability. Spider-Man is far more durable against blunt than piercing and slicing, while Logan is more of the opposite in certain areas (that are covered by his skeleton (aka his skull).

I've been saying that for years.

Originally posted by Deadline
Its not PIS, the point is that it doesn't make any sense but we accept it because he's done it consistently. I'm not just arguing that his internal organs should be liquified but he should be a skeleton as well. That makes even less sense, so his flesh and external organs are intangible that remain intact but his internal organs don't? Also it doesn't make sense that when he gets hit by class 100 punches that he doesn't go into the next state.

The difference between Wolverine tanking a class 100 shot and Cap hurting a class 100 with his bare fist is that the only thing that might be written out of logical boundaries with Wolverine is his body and what happens to it, where as with Cap the other character with an established power set HAS to be written down... You don't see the importance in that type of difference?

Originally posted by Deadline
Not what my post was responding to.

I realize that, but he shouldn't be hurting them in the first place, the fact that you brought them up only goes to show how hard it is for you to grasp the first concept.

Originally posted by Deadline
Logan was beserk by the way, even if it wasn't true beserker it would have been harder to KO him. Cap managed to bypass Wolverines HF but whenever something like that happens its because his HF was weakened.

What... When he kicked Cap's ass?
Yeah there's an argument. 🙄
And yeah, his HF was weakened in at least 2 of his encounters with Cap.. Again, that's where context matters.

Originally posted by Deadline
Already explained.

Caps got skillz! dur is not a suitable explanation.

Originally posted by Deadline
Taking what I said out of context. I said they could win bcause theres two of them, Cap could possibly KO him and has superior tactics. However I don't think Sabretooth owns Wolverine all the time like you are saying.

No I'm not, you flat out said as part of your reasoning that he takes out tougher guys.. It's a bullshit argument and you know it.

Okay so it's because there's two of them... Yup, sure help tons against Taskmaster.

Cap can't KO him in any given fight without a LOT of wear and tear... the damage output of which Cap nor Bucky nor a combination of both is likely to distribute before they get bled out.

Funny... Wolverine seems to think he does.

Originally posted by Deadline
It's not like he got up straight away in those scans, anyway.

Ah yes, 3 sentences.. the humanity. 🙄

Answer the question: Looking at those scans do you HONESTLY think that Cap is going to overwhelm Sabretooth's healing factor (since you apparently don't need to account for his durability but whatever)?

Originally posted by Deadline
If you want to use that as proof thats fine but its not like it's overwhelming. Psycloke isn't qualified enough to make that statement. You don't have an extensive knowledge of somebodies h2h but having 'some' team ups.
She's seen Cap in action, they've had team-ups.. 🤨

Again if it wasn't worth mentioning then why did they write it?

I thought writers intentions mattered to you a great deal... nice to see THAT changed when it suits you. 😉

Originally posted by Deadline
Sabretooth has superhuman durability but not on the lvl your saying. Spiderman has some very good durability feats and so does US Agent add an insane HF (in some cases adamantuim skeleton) and you get Sabretooth.

Sabretooth's durability is likely higher than Spiderman's so you're wrong there too...

His durability is on the level we say it is because the level we say it is stems from the COMICS he's in, in statements or proofs made IN THE COMICS...

this isn't conjecture, it's not some scheme we decided to come up with to push Sabretooth.. it's just a fact..

4 years ago I didn't think Sabretooth was much more than a class 2 Wolverine rip off... He's not that, he's much more and every reason why I would have for thinking that comes right out of Marvel's pages...

The guy couldn't get nerve pinched by a class 65+ NUFF SAID. 😐

Originally posted by jinzin

4 years ago I didn't think Sabretooth was much more than a class 2 Wolverine rip off...

had to be longer then four years, you been on this sight longer then that 😛

on a serous note, I don't think people understand at how much of a non factor Bucky going to be. He will be taken out in a matter of seconds and then what capt going to do?

He's a class 3 ripoff? 😛

Maybe 5 or 6 then.. I just remember not thinking much of Sabretooth at the time, thinking his cartoon counterpart was a great deal more impressive than his comic book representation.. of course at the time I didn't look at the issues with such a critical eye combing them for feats like I do out of habit now. 🙁

Ah the good ol' days before KMC, when comics where just a romp into the strict surreal, good guys beating bad guy ass in the best soap opera since 1980's WWF.

Honestly don't think people have been really looking at this. Bucky standard equipment is a hand gun and thats it..........oh and a knife.......what good is that going to do him against sabre-tooth?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He's a class 3 ripoff? 😛
😂

Nah man he's peak human get your facts straight.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Honestly don't think people have been really looking at this. Bucky standard equipment is a hand gun and thats it..........oh and a knife.......what good is that going to do him against sabre-tooth?
Less good than it did against Wolvie? 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
Less good than it did against Wolvie? 😕

correct.

And instead Wolverine simply choking him out easily, sabre-tooth will ripp his throat out.

Originally posted by jinzin
😂

Nah man he's peak human get your facts straight.

Nothing wrong with being a peak human in comics. They pack a big punch.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
correct.

And instead Wolverine simply choking him out easily, sabre-tooth will ripp his throat out.

lol I actually forgot about that one.... I was actually referring to when Winter Soldier got the drop on Logan, and STILL somehow managed to get beat up by him with his hands cuffed behind his back.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
on a serous note, I don't think people understand at how much of a non factor Bucky going to be. He will be taken out in a matter of seconds and then what capt going to do?

Honestly....

Spidey and Punisher would be a wicked fight for Cap and Bucky.

Spidey and Wolverine would too....

Both teams nearly got trounced by the weakest version of Sabretooth... 😐

Yet somehow this teams going to do what entire X-teams have failed to do? 🤨

Because "Cap can KO Sabretooth". dur

Captain Americas wins b/c they will be bloodlusted and shoot sabe in the eye and hit his brain and shield toss so hard it slice through him cutting him in half..capameridur

and if that doesnt ko Sabe or kill him,,, Bucks Taser arm punch and Cap's photon shield bash will finish him off

Originally posted by jinzin
Honestly....

Spidey and Punisher would be a wicked fight for Cap and Bucky.

Spidey and Wolverine would too....

Both teams nearly got trounced by the weakest version of Sabretooth... 😐

Yet somehow this teams going to do what entire X-teams have failed to do? 🤨

Because "Cap can KO Sabretooth". dur


or bucky will punch a hole through sabre-tooth 😆 can't even say that with out laughing.

Originally posted by King Castle
Captain Americas wins b/c they will be bloodlusted and shoot sabe in the eye and hit his brain and shield toss so hard it slice through him cutting him in half..capameridur

and if that doesnt ko Sabe or kill him,,, Bucks Taser arm punch and Cap's photon shield bash will finish him off


✅ .....dur

Team stomp 8/10 at least.

Originally posted by jinzin
Honestly....

Spidey and Punisher would be a wicked fight for Cap and Bucky.

Spidey and Wolverine would too....

Both teams nearly got trounced by the weakest version of Sabretooth... 😐

Yet somehow this teams going to do what entire X-teams have failed to do? 🤨

Because "Cap can KO Sabretooth". dur

Don't know if I like that logic, but I see what you're getting at.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Team stomp 8/10 at least.

So they "Stomp" 8/10 what happens in the other 2 fights? Jobber aura get in the way? 🙄

if its 8/10 then its not a stomp at all, and there isnt even a justification for giving them a majority. You'd probably give Bats n Nightwing a majority over sabes aswell ..

^ Pretty much.

You want to compare feats? The team stomps Sabes in that category. You want to compare how it would be portrayed in a comic? Feel free to make an argument.

Otherwise, Team 8/10.