Captain America and Bucky vs Sabretooth

Started by Omega Vision26 pages

Originally posted by Juk3n
Steve Rogers is, and has been the low end of Superhuman for a longtime now. "Peak" Is whre youd place Daredevil and Batman. Rogers is above them.

I don't think their respective feats really support any major difference, except in terms of Cap's metabolism/stamina.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think their respective feats really support any major difference, except in terms of Cap's metabolism/stamina.

Cap isn't superior to Batman by a great deal but I think his feats and general characters concept imply he is superior.

could batman do this?

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/810/810592/captain-america-the-chosen-20070803070713618.jpg

Originally posted by King Castle
could batman do this?

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/810/810592/captain-america-the-chosen-20070803070713618.jpg

Shit. Not superhuman my arse. Nearest to that is this.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batduct.jpg

Originally posted by Deadline
Shit. Not superhuman my arse. Nearest to that is this.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batduct.jpg


How about the time he threw a guy through a steel wall?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
How about the time he threw a guy through a steel wall?

I think that guy was invulnerable so I think that kinda helped. Hmm I think you could speculate thats just as impressive though.

Originally posted by Deadline
I think that guy was invulnerable so I think that kinda helped.

Nope, it was Dr Death.

And the steel door was said to be strong enough to resist a cruise missile strike.

i only read parts of the storyline so not sure if ppl stating that Cap was temporarily upgraded is true or not.

http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/af-02-05.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/af-02-06.jpg

if it is true i would like further explanation of when it happen or acknowledged as such. possibly a scan to prove the statement.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Nope, it was Dr Death.

And the steel door was said to be strong enough to resist a cruise missile strike.

I edited my post. Dunno man I'm pretty sure he said he had some powers, like he could die or some shit. Lets put it this way I don't think he died from going through the wall.

Originally posted by King Castle
i only read parts of the storyline so not sure if ppl stating that Cap was temporarily upgraded is true or not.

http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/af-02-05.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/af-02-06.jpg

if it is true i would like further explanation of when it happen or acknowledged as such. possibly a scan to prove the statement.

Yea I think it was a stronger Cap. Your not going to prove Cap is superior to Bats through feats

I think JLA/Avengers had it right in regards to Batman vs Cap.

Neither of them had any noticeable advantage over the other, whether in terms of skill or strength.

What Batman did say though was that in a drawn out fight it would be anyone's game. Cap didn't correct him.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think JLA/Avengers had it right in regards to Batman vs Cap.

Neither of them had any noticeable advantage over the other, whether in terms of skill or strength.

What Batman did say thought was that in a drawn out fight it would be anyone's game. Cap didn't correct him.

The writer stated that he though Cap was superior. Brubaker also has written for both Batman and Cap and has stated that he thinks Cap is superior. There was also a crossover were Batman said Cap had the slight advantage( well he said almost but they had to say that otherwise Batman fans would freak).

Caps opponents are generally superior as well, obvoulsy Cap is supposed to be Batman +1 but not by a great deal.

Originally posted by Deadline
The writer stated that he though Cap was superior. Brubaker also has written for both Batman and Cap and has stated that he thinks Cap is superior. There was also a crossover were Batman said Cap had the slight advantage( well he said almost but they had to say that otherwise Batman fans would freak).

Caps opponents are generally superior as well, obvoulsy Cap is supposed to be Batman +1 but not by a great deal.


I didn't get that impression from their short fight.

He might be right in the sense that if the battle goes on long enough Cap's stamina will prove too much for Batman, but I don't think their fight showed one to be more skilled or stronger than the other.

that's not what bat's said. Bat's said its conceivable he would lose to Cap in a drawn out fight.. giving a nod to Cap.

The way Cap has bn able to handle the likes of DD makes it evident he superior to an enhanced human of DD's lvl which i personally believe mirrors Bats in various attributes and exceeds him in others.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I didn't get that impression from their short fight.

He might be right in the sense that if the battle goes on long enough Cap's stamina will prove too much for Batman, but I don't think their fight showed one to be more skilled or stronger than the other.

Batman was implying that he thought he would lose eventually, he's not going to come out and blantantly say it plus fans would go nuts. What Busiek was trying to say is that Cap is superior to Batman, but Batman would still put up a good fight. Busiek stated that he thought he was more skilled and thats what Batman was implying.

Originally posted by Deadline
Batman was implying that he thought he would lose eventually, he's not going to come out and blantantly say it plus fans would go nuts. What Busiek was trying to say is that Cap is superior to Batman, but Batman would still put up a good fight.

Batman said "You might defeat me, Avenger" or something to that effect.

That in no way implies that Batman thought he'd certainly lose if the fight continued, just that it was a possibility.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Batman said "You might defeat me, Avenger" or something to that effect.

That in no way implies that Batman thought he'd certainly lose if the fight continued, just that it was a possibility.

I edited my post again. Also your kinda missing the point they're not allowed to say something like that on panel, fans would go nuts. Also it's ambigous it could mean that or it might not mean but since the writer can read Batmans mind thats what it mean't.

To me though it's pretty obvious that whats he mean't. I've read alot of Batman and Cap comics, and im afraid in general Batmans feats are not that impressive and his opponents are less dangerous.

Batman was also significantly below the strength of Azrael and he was written to be an enhanced human...

Originally posted by Deadline
I edited my post again. Also your kinda missing the point they're not allowed to say something like that on panel, fans would go nuts. Also it's ambigous it could mean that or it might not mean but since the writer can read Batmans mind thats what it mean't.

To me though it's pretty obvious that whats he mean't. I've read alot of Batman and Cap comics, and im afraid in general Batmans feats are not that impressive and his opponents are less dangerous.


Was this stated in an actual interview?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Was this stated in an actual interview?

Yea weve been putting busiek quotes in this forum for a 100 years, but the sites been taken down. So even if I get a quote you won't see the link, but I and others have seen the quote many times.

I always though in terms of skill they were equal, but cap is superior physically, I mean he doesn't fatigue or anything so naturally his muscles will be able to handle more of a strain.