Originally posted by Omega Vision
Batman said "You might defeat me, Avenger" or something to that effect.That in no way implies that Batman thought he'd certainly lose if the fight continued, just that it was a possibility.
Batman is a man of absolute confidence in his victory in most cases. To allow for even the possibility of failure implies he was worried about being outmatched.
Originally posted by Deadline
The writer stated that he though Cap was superior. Brubaker also has written for both Batman and Cap and has stated that he thinks Cap is superior. There was also a crossover were Batman said Cap had the slight advantage( well he said almost but they had to say that otherwise Batman fans would freak).Caps opponents are generally superior as well, obvoulsy Cap is supposed to be Batman +1 but not by a great deal.
That is true, about batman stating in another cross over that capt had a slight advantage. He said something a long the lines that he was haft a step behind capt.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
They aren't the same thing.
Stating that there not doesn't mean they aren't. Other characters that are low superhuman can't be distinguished in terms of feat when being compared to Cap.
Originally posted by Deadline
and Deadpool ain't (eg agility, strength etc)?
So Deadpool isn't low superhuman then? He's below Spiderman stats so below Spiderman = peak human?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I have no problem saying any peak or enhanced can do superhuman feats. Just to the degree and frequency of superhuman chars. That's all I meant myself.
It's not a good argument because that logic could be applied to Deadpool, Blade and Alyosha Kravinoff they are all low superhuman.
Depends on what you consider low superuman. I consider Spider-Man to be low superhuman and he's quite a bit higher in feats, stats, and bios. Any character can do a superhuman feat, eg, lift heavy things, "dodge bullets and lasers", run really fast. But even then so can humans in the real world. While they are higher, I wouldn't put them at a casual superhuman level. They are close though in certain areas.
Here is (in my opinion) the difference between Peak Human / Enhanced / Low Level Superhuman
Peak Human = The pinnacle of the human bodies physical capabilities. A character who is(more or less) as fast or as strong as any human could be. IE: Batman and Daredevil.
Enhanced = Not in and off itself an indication of superhuman or even peak human strength. I think it means that a character is stronger / faster than they should be given their body type, but not necessarily equaling or surpassing peak human. For example, Cassandra Cain has 2.6 baseline human strength, not strictly superhuman when considering the big picture, but far above what a 95lbs 5'3 teenager should be capable of.
Low Level Superhuman = Just above the peak human threshold but still within the ball park of human capabilities. A character who is capable of speed and strength, surpassing a peak human, but not impossibly so. IE: Captain America, Black Panther or Deathstroke.
Spider-man can lift a semi above his head. He is superhuman.
Good definition, I can see what you are saying by your def, even if we place the characters differently. I guess the scales once had peak, enhanced, and super so I was going by that.
And of course all is relative. Compared to Superman, Spider-Man is very low level. Compared to an average human, definitely not.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Depends on what you consider low superuman. I consider Spider-Man to be low superhuman and he's quite a bit higher in feats, stats, and bios.
Only in terms of strength and durability slightly, not agility and speed.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Any character can do a superhuman feat, eg, lift heavy things, "dodge bullets and lasers", run really fast.
Well first of all Spiderman has superhuman speed and reflexes but according to your logic he's no longer superhuman due to the fact 'any character' can do it. So when Cap dodges bullets and lasers he's not superhuman but Spiderman is?
There are also alot of characters that can't do what Cap does, he's explicitly stated that he's weaker without the SSS and there are alot of street level characters that are below Cap in strength. I also think his stamina has been shown to be superior to other superhumans.
Also your argument doesnt make any sense. You're saying Cap isn't superhuman but can do superhuman feats. The problem is that you can apply that to other street level characters that are officially superhuman. Low superhumans resemble human beings to a certain degree, obvoulsy they are more powerful but have human like weaknesses like they can get killed by bullets, thats why they're low superhuman. Just because a load of their feats are relatively unimpressive doesn't mean that they're not superhuman.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But even then so can humans in the real world. While they are higher, I wouldn't put them at a casual superhuman level. They are close though in certain areas.
Yea and would say that Cap and other low superhumans aren't quite as fast as Spiderman but that doesn't mean they're not low superhuman, thats like arguing that Hercules isn't class 100 because he's weaker than the Hulk.
Originally posted by jinzin
The difference between Wolverine tanking a class 100 shot and Cap hurting a class 100 with his bare fist is that the only thing that might be written out of logical boundaries with Wolverine is his body and what happens to it, where as with Cap the other character with an established power set HAS to be written down... You don't see the importance in that type of difference?
There is no difference. Hitting bricks is also about the limitations of the body they shouldn't even feel anything, obvoulsy something happens to their body thats why they end up getting stunned or Koed.
You also argued that Wolverine shouldn't be able to get shot in the brain because his eye sockets don't have big enough holes, thats about the limitations of the body.
Originally posted by jinzin
I realize that, but he shouldn't be hurting them in the first place, the fact that you brought them up only goes to show how hard it is for you to grasp the first concept.
His history shows he can.
Originally posted by jinzinWhat... When he kicked Cap's ass?
Yeah there's an argument. 🙄
And yeah, his HF was weakened in at least 2 of his encounters with Cap.. Again, that's where context matters.
His HF is always weakened. Hes never been KOed without having a weakned HF. You're always right.
Originally posted by jinzinCaps got skillz! dur is not a suitable explanation.
Yea he does.
Originally posted by jinzinNo I'm not, you flat out said as part of your reasoning that he takes out tougher guys.. It's a bullshit argument and you know it.
Uh yeah like you said its part of my reasoning, he can take out tougher guys AND theres two of them.
Originally posted by jinzin
Okay so it's because there's two of them... Yup, sure help tons against Taskmaster.
You might want to read the fight again. He only fought both of them breifly for one second then got dropped to his knees by a knee from Cap.
Originally posted by jinzin
Cap can't KO him in any given fight without a LOT of wear and tear... the damage output of which Cap nor Bucky nor a combination of both is likely to distribute before they get bled out.
Yup thats possible. I haven't really made my mind up who wins the majority actually.
Originally posted by jinzin
Funny... Wolverine seems to think he does.
If you can prove hes much superior to Wolverine then I could Sabes the majority. Thats whats stopping me from making my mind I'm not sure if Sabes is really that much better than Wolverine.
Originally posted by jinzin
Ah yes, 3 sentences.. the humanity. 🙄
and the panels?
Originally posted by jinzin
Answer the question: Looking at those scans do you HONESTLY think that Cap is going to overwhelm Sabretooth's healing factor (since you apparently don't need to account for his durability but whatever)?
I already have but:
Every example of Cap stunning and Koing bricks is PIS.
Every example of Wolverine getting Koed has circumstances.
So basically I can't win because you pick and choose what PIS is. If I was arguing like you I would say that Wolverine taking class 100 shots is PIS. Oh and Wolverine getting shot in the brain with bullets is PIS. I'm so biased.
Originally posted by jinzin
She's seen Cap in action, they've had team-ups.. 🤨Again if it wasn't worth mentioning then why did they write it?
I thought writers intentions mattered to you a great deal... nice to see THAT changed when it suits you. 😉
No I'm not remember the Blade thread? I said as long as on panel evidence doesn't contradict the writers intention. Even then I said that you can use it but I think you need to supplement it with a bit more.
They obvoulsy haven't had alot of team ups have they? It's not like shes Wolverine or Bucky who have known Cap for years and have a close relationship. Shes seen Cap in action but does seeing Cap in action enable you to make a detailed analysis of his fighting style? Is she Taskmaster or Batgirl?
