Originally posted by jinzinRight. It actually happening on-panel and being comic book fact is no reason to think it has happened or would happen. Somebody has to talk about it. Oh wait, that's right, people have talked about it:
Logan missing bones in his skull is never once mentioned on panel.. it just happens, and it happening is the sole basis for you thinking it's okay.
Buncha babies. "Who cares if it happened! Somebody has to explain it to me on-panel!" *looks above* *shakes head*
1. SOMEONE ELSE supposing that their tactic will work... Wolverine never lends the notion credence.
2. Wolverine wonders if an EXPLOSIVE round at point blank range might do the trick... jet effet anyone?
3. Joe blow assumes that Sabretooth's missing a bone that's been depicted on panel.
Yeah, that's exactly like characters credibly referencing a definite lack of bone. That's just like narrative describing the weakness.... or not
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right. It actually happening on-panel and being comic book fact is no reason to think it has happened or would happen. Somebody has to talk about it. Oh wait, that's right, people have talked about it:Buncha babies. "Who cares if it happened! Somebody has to explain it to me on-panel!" *looks above* *shakes head*
So you've shown that Rogue and random fodder Hunter don't understand anatomy, and that and explosive round would explode upon contact with an adamantium sphenoid bone and the explosion would be funneled into the brain through the orbital fissure (likely doing even more damage like a grenade or rocket fired inside a building to the pressure build up). What you need to show is something along the line of "I know your weakness Wolverine, you are missing the bones behind your eyes!" or "We've taken some x-rays, and Wolverine you have bones missing behind your eyes!" Until that happens all you have is stuff akin to Wolverine's spin missing.
Wolverine has also shrugged of a .50 cal anti material round to the eye socket, and Weapon X made bullets of anti metal for the precise purpose of piercing Wolverine's adamantium skull.
Originally posted by Starscream M
can we come to a compromise?Jinzin is right that writers are ignorant of the sphenoid bone
OneDumbGo is right that writers intend for logan to be vulnerable through his eyesocket
don't you two realize that both of you can be right...there is no inherent contradiction.
I already did. I think that this argument that Wolverine's missing bones he shouldn't be missing is an argument that has a suitable position to be taken from either side.
ODG thinks he's right and that there's no opposing position to be taken on the matter. The sheer existence of counter evidence proves his absolutism to be wrong though.
As I said, IF Wolverine/Sabretooth is missing a bone they shouldn't be, it's a viable tactic.
But IF they have it in spite of a couple of writers' ignorance then it isn't...
I don't know how much more compromising I can be. 😬
^ That's not what he asked. He wants you to admit I am right that writers intend for Wolverine to be vulnerable. We both know you won't despite the massive evidence laid on you.
Originally posted by jinzin1. Fact that Wolverine doesn't deny it?
1. SOMEONE ELSE supposing that their tactic will work... Wolverine never lends the notion credence.2. Wolverine wonders if an EXPLOSIVE round at point blank range might do the trick... jet effet anyone?
3. Joe blow assumes that Sabretooth's missing a bone that's been depicted on panel.
Yeah, that's exactly like characters credibly referencing a definite lack of bone. That's just like narrative describing the weakness.... or not
2. Fact that Wolverine is not wondering whether it'll go through, he's wondering whether the damage to the brain will kill him. Jet effect? LULZ
3. Teneber, who prepared, tracked, equipped himself for an adamantium-laced Sabretooth. He thought of everything, his HF, his adamantium, his enhanced senses. He just didn't figure his human ability to restrategize.
It is exactly what you asked for. Because somehow, something actually happening isn't proof that something actually happened. You won't even admit Stryfe made Wolverine stab himself through his eyes to the brain. You're a farce. Your pleas for more evidence are utterly fake and disingenuous.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So you've shown that Rogue and random fodder Hunter don't understand anatomy, and that and explosive round would explode upon contact with an adamantium sphenoid bone and the explosion would be funneled into the brain through the orbital fissure (likely doing even more damage like a grenade or rocket fired inside a building to the pressure build up). What you need to show is something along the line of "I know your weakness Wolverine, you are missing the bones behind your eyes!" or "We've taken some x-rays, and Wolverine you have bones missing behind your eyes!" Until that happens all you have is stuff akin to Wolverine's spin missing.Wolverine has also shrugged of a .50 cal anti material round to the eye socket, and Weapon X made bullets of anti metal for the precise purpose of piercing Wolverine's adamantium skull.
Again if his brain is so easy to penetrate why did that doctor have such a hard time of it in the Weapon X arc? 😬
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right. It actually happening on-panel and being comic book fact is no reason to think it has happened or would happen. Somebody has to talk about it. Oh wait, that's right, people have talked about it:Buncha babies. "Who cares if it happened! Somebody has to explain it to me on-panel!" *looks above* *shakes head*
those scans dont help the case for this particular battle. 1) wolverine is bound, foot n hand..
2) being held down
3) sniper with all the time in the world to line up a shot..
back to the topic at hand, chances of hitting that shot in a bum rush scenerio with no time to breath?..ridiculous!
Originally posted by jinzingrrrr.....this is all the stupid writers fault for being ignorant of skull anatomy!
I already did. I think that this argument that Wolverine's missing bones he shouldn't be missing is an argument that has a suitable position to be taken from either side.ODG thinks he's right and that there's no opposing position to be taken on the matter. The sheer existence of counter evidence proves his absolutism to be wrong though.
As I said, IF Wolverine/Sabretooth is missing a bone they shouldn't be, it's a viable tactic.
But IF they have it in spite of a couple of writers' ignorance then it isn't...I don't know how much more compromising I can be. 😬
Honestly there is plenty of evidence showing that comic writers believe that Wolverine can be shot through the eye. Again this shouldn't happen. Wolverine shouldn't be able to heal his memories. He shouldn't be able to have such rapid blood loss without losing consciousness. These are all things that shouldn't happen but happen enough times that we accept them.
^ Some people don't. That's their prerogative. I just take issue with pretending that this is some undecidable issue that has equally supportable arguments both ways. And frankly at this stage, the denial has gotten to the point where they won't even admit he ever had his brain penetrated. How boring.
Originally posted by srankmissingninThe round is going through the eye to the brain. That is what Wolverine is referring to. Not some burst of air you fantasize about. Christ. Thanks for butchering plain English.
So you've shown that Rogue and random fodder Hunter don't understand anatomy, and that and explosive round would explode upon contact with an adamantium sphenoid bone and the explosion would be funneled into the brain through the orbital fissure (likely doing even more damage like a grenade or rocket fired inside a building to the pressure build up). What you need to show is something along the line of "I know your weakness Wolverine, you are missing the bones behind your eyes!" or "We've taken some x-rays, and Wolverine you have bones missing behind your eyes!" Until that happens all you have is stuff akin to Wolverine's spin missing.
Originally posted by srankmissingninHe puled the .50 cal bullet it out of his eye FIVE MINUTES LATER. You're telling me it's not possible that it went in, and was eventually pushed back out by the healing factor 5 minutes later?! These bullets eventually come out.
Wolverine has also shrugged of a .50 cal anti material round to the eye socket, and Weapon X made bullets of anti metal for the precise purpose of piercing Wolverine's adamantium skull.
Originally posted by Trackz
Honestly there is plenty of evidence showing that comic writers believe that Wolverine can be shot through the eye. Again this shouldn't happen. Wolverine shouldn't be able to heal his memories. He shouldn't be able to have such rapid blood loss without losing consciousness. These are all things that shouldn't happen but happen enough times that we accept them.
so how do you account for the x-rays where there is no hole big enough for a bullet?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ That's not what he asked. He wants you to admit I am right that writers intend for Wolverine to be vulnerable. We both know you won't despite the massive evidence laid on you.
There you go Starscream... no compromise can be reached because anything that isn't ODG being 100% "right" isn't something he's willing to even for one second acknowledge.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Doesn't automatically dictate that he supported it
1. Fact that Wolverine doesn't deny it?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yes jet effect something that should be taken into consideration given the context of the panel text as jet effect automatically allows for damage to the brain without a hole in his head big enough for a large round to go through.
2. Fact that Wolverine is not wondering whether it'll go through, he's wondering whether the damage to the brain will kill him. Jet effect? LULZ
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
3. Teneber, who prepared, tracked, equipped himself for an adamantium-laced Sabretooth. He thought of everything, his HF, his adamantium, his enhanced senses. He just didn't figure his human ability to restrategize.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0No it's not Srank already enlightened you on what it is we're actually looking for... take a hint, you don't have it.
It is exactly what you asked for. Because somehow, something actually happening isn't proof that something actually happened. You won't even admit Stryfe made Wolverine stab himself through his eyes to the brain. You're a farce. Your pleas for more evidence are utterly fake and disingenuous.
Under your own analytical microscope, you can't prove that he did. 😐
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Well, it has been said on panel in the narration that Wolverine's organs are liquefied every time the Hulk hits him. So there is that.Anyway:
Wolverine takes a shot to the eye from a high powered machine gun to the eye. He is completely unphased and digs out the shell with his fingers:
Takes an anti material sniper rifle bullet to the eye, doesn't even slow his stride:
Takes a shot gun blast to the eye. Kills the shooters and picks out the buckshot:
Weapon X thinks that an Anti-metal bullet is required to take Wolverine down with a head shot even from one of the best marksmen in Marvel U. The bullet is replaced with a standard round since the Director doesn't what Wolverine to have it that easy. Clearly Weapon X doesn't think a normal bullet would get into the brain from behind the eye. But what do they know? They only gave him his Adamantium in first place.
Two more possible ones
Wolverine possible takes a hand gun round to the eye. He goes down for a few seconds, but Rucka's Wolverine was shown to be koed by a sniper rifle bullet to even to the side of the head. Rucka's Wolverine was more of a bullet dodger than most incarnations:
Winter Soldiers sniper takes a shot at Wolverine. It's not clear where he is shot in the face but we can see his face as he falls and there is no bullet wound or blood leaving the only possible entry point the eye socket that is in shadow:
Those are examples I tracked down from memory off the top of my head, I'm sure if I bothered to look I would find more. I wish this assine crap had come up while jinzin and I were creating the respect thread and going through every Wolverine appearance. Common sense shit we didn't bother to included or take not of because we VASTLY over estimated the general intelligance of posters on KMC.
This theory is absurd. It flies directly into the face of on panel. Evidence that shows Wolverine has the bones that would needed be missing for this to be possible, evidence that shows even weaker incarnations of Wolverine being shot in the eye to no avail, and of course general anatomy. It is a contradiction to virtually everything we know or have seen of Wolverine. Quite frankly anyone who thinks this is a valid theory that needs discussion or warrants discourse is an idiot.
