Captain America and Bucky vs Sabretooth

Originally posted by jinzin
Wow this is an extremely reasonable post.

Again I think the real issue with this debate stems from the point that it simply happening is not enough of a reason to make it credible.

Sabretooth apparently ripped Wolverine's heart out over his ribcage/chestplate... does that mean Wolverine doesn't have one?

I was always under the impression Creed reached under Wolverines rib cage to do that.

I understand your point, but it's comics, Squirrel Girl has taken out some of marvels most formidable opponents, should it happen? no, but it does and consistently enough to know that for whatever reason she's a force to be reckoned with.

Wolverine has healed his brain enough times with his memories intact, should this happen? No. But it's happened enough times for us to acknowledge that this will happen.

stop ignoring my theory people!

Originally posted by Starscream M
GUYS...LISTEN TO ME.

NOBODY IN COMICS HAS SPHENOID BONE.

YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE COMIC WRITERS AND ARTISTS ARE IGNORANT OF ITS EXISTENCE.

END OF DEBATE.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Stop throwing anatomical terms to invent a portion of a bone that clearly isn't possessed by a fake comic book character.

I've seen Wolverine's spine several times clearly. I've never seen his sphenoid bone clearly. 99% of the world doesn't know or care about it on humans. It has sh1t to do with how a comic book character is being portrayed. It's exactly what we've been telling you. And I'm not going to argue it's easy to take Wolverine down. You still have to get the right angle on such a small opening. That takes incredible accuracy or skill.

It happening repeatedly and it being confirmed/supported by character statements is enough.

Had Sabretooth reached directly through his sternum and people talking about how it would work, and us never really clearly seeing the sternum and the sternum being something that nobody but anxious Wolvie fans would know about (clearly not, but I'm painting a picture) then you'd have an appropriate analogy.

IT'S NOT THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES. SO YOU DON'T.

Stop twisting this into something it's not. We know that if comic writers cared about real life human anatomy, it shouldn't. Nobody disputes that.

But they don't. Shouldn't means sh1t in comics. Particularly shouldn't based on real life anatomy. Wolverine shouldn't have three claws or a healing factor or survive having his metal laced or not have his organs pulverized by Hulk's punch. You've got no problems with these comic book facts.

What's the problem here? Am I belaboring the obvious?

I think both of you have become heated, and more times than not once you reach a certain level of hostility then the possibility to reach an agreement goes out of the window.

Originally posted by Trackz
I don't understand why this is the issue, plenty of things happen in comics that don't make sense anatomically, scientifically, or physically. I mean characters like Punisher and Captain America are able to take abuse that transcends what a normal person should be. I believe Srank described Punishers durability as metahuman, which doesn't make sense anatomically seeing as he has normal bone structure and shouldn't be able to deal with half of the things he does.

This theory about whether or nor Wolverine has a bone (which very few people knew about to begin with) is silly. For one it's pretty obvious how Marvel sees the situation and it'd be a safe bet that sometime in the next year Wolverine is going to get taken out through that method again. However even if it is true, I'm not sure why it makes that much of a difference seeing and getting off such a shot against a prepared Wolverine would be pretty damn hard and without sometime of super accuracy it would make it difficult to argue this could be done for the majority.

Baring a catscan and accompanying x-rays all we can say for certain is that Wolverine was shot in the eye socket / nasal cavity (etcetera), and the force was enough to ko and cause rupturing and internal bleeding. The intent to shoot someone in the brain doesn't necessarily mean that was the result was positive. The force of getting shot in the skull alone would be enough to down some of the lesser incarnations of Wolverine, like Wayverine.

^ What the... he's friggin clawed himself and givin him brain damage!

How is this not positive? Was his claw pressurized and caused deep impact? lol And the bullet Scalphunter went through and even clinked against the back of his skull!

Originally posted by Starscream M
stop ignoring my theory people!

Originally posted by Trackz
I was always under the impression Creed reached under Wolverines rib cage to do that.

I understand your point, but it's comics, Squirrel Girl has taken out some of marvels most formidable opponents, should it happen? no, but it does and consistently enough to know that for whatever reason she's a force to be reckoned with.

Wolverine has healed his brain enough times with his memories intact, should this happen? No. But it's happened enough times for us to acknowledge that this will happen.

Except it does. We got over it. That's the third lesson.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Stop throwing anatomical terms to invent a portion of a bone that clearly isn't possessed by a fake comic book character.

Have you seen the side of Wolverine's head? Yes? Then you've seen the bone. Case closed.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Baring a catscan and accompanying x-rays all we can say for certain is that Wolverine was shot in the eye socket / nasal cavity (etcetera), and the force was enough to ko and cause rupturing and internal bleeding. The intent to shoot someone in the brain doesn't necessarily mean that was the result was positive. The force of getting shot in the skull alone would be enough to down some of the lesser incarnations of Wolverine, like Wayverine.

I really don't want to get into the debate, but even you have to acknowledge that without a doubt Wolverine is depicted as having objects shot or forced through his eye socket to get into his brain. You have to agree that writers for the most part believe that Wolverine is able to be shot through the eye in order to take him out. You have to admit that plenty of things Wolverine has done don't exactly make sense anatomically.

I mean just in X-Force #3 he was able to move despite having a number of seizures and strokes all while he had his healing factor overloaded.

There's also the point of Wolverine "healing" his memories whenever his brain goes under severe stress.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Have you seen the side of Wolverine's head? Yes? Then you've seen the bone. Case closed.

Originally posted by Trackz
I was always under the impression Creed reached under Wolverines rib cage to do that.

I understand your point, but it's comics, Squirrel Girl has taken out some of marvels most formidable opponents, should it happen? no, but it does and consistently enough to know that for whatever reason she's a force to be reckoned with.

Wolverine has healed his brain enough times with his memories intact, should this happen? No. But it's happened enough times for us to acknowledge that this will happen.

No matter how many times Flash gets hit by someone of relative human speed, it won't be an issue on the forum.

Now that being said, even if shooting Sabes in the eyes worked, I'm not there would be an opportunity to do so here.

I'm sorry discussing wolverine to the end of time doesn't resolve this.

Has Wolverine been shot in the head and discovered multiple injuries through multiple different openings, yes.

Ok move on.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ What the... he's friggin clawed himself and givin him brain damage!

How is this not positive? Was his claw pressurized and caused deep impact? lol And the bullet Scalphunter went through and even clinked against the back of his skull!

There's a painfully clear reason people won't address you. It's not your fault. Going by their logic, no. Because that's not how human brains work. Just because it happens in comics doesn't mean it should or did happen. PIS. Right.

Except it does. We got over it. That's the third lesson.

Maybe he got "brain damage" from what ever Stryfe did to him? Unless you think stabbing himself in the eyes gave him thermal x-ray vision?

Seriously? Perspicaciously placed sound effects now? That has more to do with composition and aesthetics than anything else. OMG that CHUK! sound effect is coming from ABOVE Wolverine's head.... what does that mean? Get real.

^ Jebus. You won't even admit that the bullet and Wolverine's claws penetrated his brain. This is what I have to deal with? Seriously? It was Stryfe's tk?!

Infinite facepalms

Originally posted by snowdragon
I'm sorry discussing wolverine to the end of time doesn't resolve this.

Has Wolverine been shot in the head and discovered multiple injuries through multiple different openings, yes.

Ok move on.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
PIS isn't contingent on consistency though. Squirrel Girl is a misplaced Silver Age character. Which explains her.

No matter how many times Flash gets hit by someone of relative human speed, it won't be an issue on the forum.

Now that being said, even if shooting Sabes in the eyes worked, I'm not there would be an opportunity to do so here.

The ridiculous thing is? Cap reflecting Bucky's bullet into his eye with his photonic shield would be more likely.

Is wolverine missing a special bone that every normal human has? NO

Are comic writers ignorant of human skull anatomy? YES

But in my opinion, that just means according to comic book writers, it is possible for a bullet to travel from the eye socket into the brain...they're not saying it's only in wolverine's case. this would be the case for ANY character.

So if Captain America gets adamantium coating, it will be possible to shoot his brain through his eyes too.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
PIS isn't contingent on consistency though. Squirrel Girl is a misplaced Silver Age character. Which explains her.

No matter how many times Flash gets hit by someone of relative human speed, it won't be an issue on the forum.

Now that being said, even if shooting Sabes in the eyes worked, I'm not there would be an opportunity to do so here.

In the case of Flash it's because we have a number of cases that dictate something like that should never happen. In this case we don't. It's also again like the case of Wolverine healing his memories. In real life Wolverine would pass out after losing tons of blood like he does in some of his appearances (X-force Sex and Violence, Wolverine the best there is #1, etc.) It seems odd to accept the strange happenings that make Wolverine look good and reject those that don't. I'm not accusing anyone of anything just bringing that up.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Is wolverine missing a special bone that every normal human has? NO

Are comic writers ignorant of human skull anatomy? YES

But in my opinion, that just means according to comic book writers, it is possible for a bullet to travel from the eye socket into the brain...they're not saying it's only in wolverine's case. this would be the case for ANY character.

So if Captain America gets adamantium coating, it will be possible to shoot his brain through his eyes too.

Maybe Bucky should just shoot Cap's shield.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Why would the entire sphenoid bone have to be missing when it's clear it's just the rear of the orbital cavity that's missing, Sherlock?

Because part you see visibly on the side of the head, is the part that curves around to encase the back of the orbital. And if it was missing then the center of the sphenoid would be floating free inside the skull...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
PIS isn't contingent on consistency though. Squirrel Girl is a misplaced Silver Age character. Which explains her.

No matter how many times Flash gets hit by someone of relative human speed, it won't be an issue on the forum.

Now that being said, even if shooting Sabes in the eyes worked, I'm not there would be an opportunity to do so here.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because part you see visibly on the side of the head, is the part that curves around to encase the back of the orbital. And if it was missing then the center of the sphenoid would be floating free inside the skull...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Stop throwing anatomical terms to invent a portion of a bone that clearly isn't possessed by a fake comic book character.

Why am I even arguing with you anyway? You won't even admit that Stryfe forced Wolverine to stab his own brain.

Originally posted by snowdragon
I'm sorry discussing wolverine to the end of time doesn't resolve this.

Has Wolverine been shot in the head and discovered multiple injuries through multiple different openings, yes.

Ok move on.

Again, if you oversimplify the issue to "it's happened, it's admissable"... Then we're left with this notion that dictates everything works under this same premise.

Once more, does Wolverine not have a spine? Because that's been suggested multiple times by on panel evidence in comics in spite of us knowing that's not true.

Originally posted by jinzin
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C-master arguing pro Sabretooth/Wolverine? It's a sign or the end times! 😂

Akuma vs Thor? Points more to Thor. Akuma vs Sabretooth, Wolverine, and DD? Akuma.

Spider-Man vs Hulk? Hulk. Spider-Man vs Cap? Spider-Man.