Apparently some 'patriotic' hacker shut down wikileaks.
He's making some ridiculous claim he is working for the good of the people.
Can this actually be happening?
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What I mean is, this is absolutely unbelievable. Things are more out of hand than I previously imagined, some strange hacker comes out of the blue acting like some sort of patriot hero?
I can't help but wonder if theres more than meets than eye here.
Originally posted by Liberator
Apparently some 'patriotic' hacker shut down wikileaks.He's making some ridiculous claim he is working for the good of the people.
Can this actually be happening?
EDIT:
What I mean is, this is absolutely unbelievable. Things are more out of hand than I previously imagined, some strange hacker comes out of the blue acting like some sort of patriot hero?I can't help but wonder if theres more than meets than eye here.
This is often very common in hacker communities. It is why Russian hacking is so hard to pin down, it is often impossible to tell if an Eastern European nation or city is facing an attack from a small group of patriotic russian hackers, or the force of the Russian cyber military, as things like DDOS attacks are incredibly easy to do.
The Chinese have, allegedy, just begun integrating these patriotic groups into their military establishment, and if you follow the connections between Lamo (the guy who reported Manning) and a Chet Uber, enough murkyness is there to insinuate that similar things are potentially being done by the American government.
Originally posted by inimalist
This is often very common in hacker communities. It is why Russian hacking is so hard to pin down, it is often impossible to tell if an Eastern European nation or city is facing an attack from a small group of patriotic russian hackers, or the force of the Russian cyber military, as things like DDOS attacks are incredibly easy to do.The Chinese have, allegedy, just begun integrating these patriotic groups into their military establishment, and if you follow the connections between Lamo (the guy who reported Manning) and a Chet Uber, enough murkyness is there to insinuate that similar things are potentially being done by the American government.
This is what worries me.
The American government was very stern in saying to Wikileaks not to go ahead and release the documents, and then suddenly the site goes down via hacker.
I don't mean to get all Conspiracy like, I'll have to read up on Lamo and Chet Uber.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,732212,00.html#ref=rss
Former members of Wikileaks starting a "different format" leaks site. Disgruntled with Asange's apparent dictatorial leadership, they broke off to start a site that was less ingrained in the corporate media structure and less fixated on confrontation with the American government.
Hopefully the "Inside Wikileaks" book is published in English.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B00F020101201?pageNumber=1
Of the possible legal options America has against Asange, none are an easy sell.
Information on some of the Canadian files have been released. Little surprise, our intelligence service wishes it could do the things the Americans could, and have total disregard for our citizens.
Ecuador initially seemed willing to accept Asange as a permanent resident quickly changed it opinion and followed the international line of "how could you ralease american secrets", look for them to get something from the IMF soon.
Originally posted by Liberator
This is what worries me.The American government was very stern in saying to Wikileaks not to go ahead and release the documents, and then suddenly the site goes down via hacker.
I don't mean to get all Conspiracy like, I'll have to read up on Lamo and Chet Uber.
I don't think there is anything overly conspiritorial about thinking US intelligence attacked the Wikileaks site
we don't have direct evidence, but that, to me, isn't as far of a stretch as even Ecuador being pressured into towing the American line, as I suggested above
I do have a suspicion that this latest release is really just a statement of strength from wikileaks. Their previous releases were genuinely of secret stuff. This lot is all tittle tattle- interesting to read, sure, but noit exactly a classified release and all stuff that gets routinely released in the end anyway (and, as I say, was available to be seen by millions, which in turn means most of it was known by diplomats anyway, and it does not tell us anything about the way things work that we don't already know).
But we also know that wikileaks has been the subject of certain threats and that Julian takes some of these seriously- his release of encrypted information for which the key will only be released if he chooses- i.e. if he ever gets arrested by the US or, presumably, dies mysteriously- shows that they are taking up this defensive posture. One can only speculate what is in those files- possibly nothing, of course.
A release like this is a statement to the world that they do have this power- this time, it's nothing damaging; merely embarrassing. But push them, and who knows what they might let out?
I don't think wikileaks is sitting on their biggest secrets though. I think they only wait long enough to verify content and authenticity before releasing it. It probably operates at 100% of its destructive capacity at all times, but they are indeed sendin a message that intimidation and terrorist labels will not work on them.
Originally posted by 753
I don't think wikileaks is sitting on their biggest secrets though. I think they only wait long enough to verify content and authenticity before releasing it. It probably operates at 100% of its destructive capacity at all times, but they are indeed sendin a message that intimidation and terrorist labels will not work on them.
If you think that, then what do you think is in those encrypted files? A bluff?
I reckon they sit on rather a lot, actually.
Originally posted by UshgarakI believe it's the entirety of the cables which I understand they have been releasing gradually - correct if i'm wrong on this. I believe the insurance file was released before they leaked it to the newspapers and posted it on their website. Maybe it has other documents they were still verifying or info about how they were being spooked upon, but I don't think that's very likely.
If you think that, then what do you think is in those encrypted files? A bluff?I reckon they sit on rather a lot, actually.
I heard practically this exact argument on FOX News today.
I have to agree that this is just a publicity stunt. It is a bunch of obvious information, meant to strike some sort of fear in governments. At most, only the public would be suprised by the things in these documents. Suprised most of all by the fact that our government officials think as much of each other as we do most of our governments officials.
The guy on FOX said that it was obvious that the current US administration was behind the charges files by the Swedish government against Mr. Assange to discredit the information he leaked that revealed how inept it was in running the country. He said that Mr. Assange represented the fourth estate and it was the job of the media to keep the government in check. Well, wikileaks isn't the media. And this guy wasn't a member of the fourth estate, just a paid pundit. Then they spent the next 15 minutes talking about why Hillary Clinton should resign.
These documents cover like 40 years worth of childish play ground slap fighting, from so many governments, that it amounts to little more than finding your sister's diary.
to be fair, there are actual new releases and insights most people didn't know. The revelations on Yemen come to mind, and regardless of how surprising it is (or isnt) the revelations about UN spying weren't known prior. the majority of the cables are fairly unintersting, but there is some meat. I wouldn't just dismiss the entire dump though. sure it was a stunt, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Yeah, there's some stuff in there, no denying it... but it's only an early scoop. None of it is any more secret than, say, the contents of the memoirs of Bush and Blair, released less than ten years after the events they describe. It's not the super state secrets of doom, or the like- or more down to Earth, like the military stuff they were blowing before.
I agree. I do still see them as interesting, as I said before, knowing how the cogs fit into the machine is important for an enlightened population.
AJE had people speculating that the hype by American leaders was actually to make the cables seem much less important.
I think, if we have learned anything from Oliver North, stuff that is "super secret" gets destroyed. Maybe a leak can get at it, but its not like government agencies didn't take some precautions.
Originally posted by skekUngsomething tells me they'd have a different opinion about leaks during a republican government
I heard practically this exact argument on FOX News today.I have to agree that this is just a publicity stunt. It is a bunch of obvious information, meant to strike some sort of fear in governments. At most, only the public would be suprised by the things in these documents. Suprised most of all by the fact that our government officials think as much of each other as we do most of our governments officials.
The guy on FOX said that it was obvious that the current US administration was behind the charges files by the Swedish government against Mr. Assange to discredit the information he leaked that revealed how inept it was in running the country. He said that Mr. Assange represented the fourth estate and it was the job of the media to keep the government in check. Well, wikileaks isn't the media. And this guy wasn't a member of the fourth estate, just a paid pundit. Then they spent the next 15 minutes talking about why Hillary Clinton should resign.
These documents cover like 40 years worth of childish play ground slap fighting, from so many governments, that it amounts to little more than finding your sister's diary.