Originally posted by RE: Blaxicanit's conduct unbecoming article 131,. depending who hosted it, article 138
wtf? They're relieving tension, for christs sake. It's not like they're doing that in the middle of a firefight. I can not understand how the hell you would think that they're in the wrong for... enjoying themselves, when they're off-duty.
civilian standards dont apply any Nco/officer worth their salt would have broken it up gotten names send them to their "can" and began reprimand.
there are a lot of things military personal dont do that you do that is punishable.
from having your hands in your pocket, slouching, mumbling, swearing etc etc..
Originally posted by Quiero Motaalso lizard fights, spider fights...
Well, they've come a long way in diversions and R&R. When I was in Iraq, the most entertainment we got was from scorpion fights and playing poker.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
wtf? They're relieving tension, for christs sake. It's not like they're doing that in the middle of a firefight. I can not understand how the hell you would think that they're in the wrong for... enjoying themselves, when they're off-duty.
Originally posted by inimalist
my thoughts exactly
Sometimes I think KC is a sociopath.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's a bit like KC's ludicrous position that Spider-Man isn't a hero or "warrior" because he actually feels sad whenever some crazy shit happens to him or his loved ones.Sometimes I think KC is a sociopath.
His mother beat emotion out of him with an extension cord. That's how they show caring in his family.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaosthe reason it falls under it is b/c when you sign up and become a marine/soldier etc etc... is b/c you took an oath to conduct yourself as a soldier/officer.
Article 131 is perjury. Article 133 sets no standards for what qualifies as "conduct unbecoming" and I doubt they're going to be court marshaled for relaxing off duty.
article 133
# That the accused did or omitted to do certain acts; and
# That, in the circumstances, these acts or omissions constituted conduct unbecoming an officer and gentleman
article 131
(1) upon a lawful oath or in any form allowed by law to be substituted for an oath, gives any false testimony material to the issue or matter of inquiry; or
(2) in any declaration, certificate, verification, or state ent under penalty of perjury as permitted under section 1746 of title 28, United States Code, subscribes any false statement material to the issue or matter of inquiry; is guilty of perjury and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”
the simple act of doing something that disgraces the uniform and your oath falls under it which is why it is affectionately called the catch all in the military even when you dont feel you done anything wrong they tag it on for good measure.
and two women playin in a pool falls under it. 😉
^ You're the enemy of fun.
Originally posted by King Castleand two women playin in a pool falls under it. 😉
the rules give discretion to the command to a point, their behavior allows for immediate discipline at the lower lvl...
the kids can refuse to recieve an NJP and take it to a court mashal but they have to have some brass to try that BS...
damn, i'm getting old i left out article 134 and confused it with another, no harm done... since they all overlap and cover one another.
maybe i should return to help instill discipline to the masses... it be harder with soldiers rather then the Marines
Originally posted by King Castle
it's conduct unbecoming article 131,. depending who hosted it, article 138civilian standards dont apply any Nco/officer worth their salt would have broken it up gotten names send them to their "can" and began reprimand.
there are a lot of things military personal dont do that you do that is punishable.
from having your hands in your pocket, slouching, mumbling, swearing etc etc..
You proved my point right there and weakened your own. Military has its own specific and sometimes ridiculous standards; how the military handles things isn't "normal". So, "conduct unbecoming of an officer" is hardly a reflection of a person. You used that picture as an example of people who aren't heroic. How does that make them not heroic? Regardless of some silly regulation they may have broken, for all you know many of the people in that picture, who there are smiling and happy, can be dead right now, and for a variety of reasons. The women there could have been killed trying to throw back a grenade, or evacuating a building before a bomb went off, yet to you they're bad people because they have the nerve to enjoy themselves while off-duty, in the middle of some god forsaken desert.
That's not even just illogical, it's downright retarded.
Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanYou're missing the point: it's against regulations. Which are>>>common sense.
You proved my point right there and weakened your own. Military has its own specific and sometimes ridiculous standards; how the military handles things isn't "normal". So, "conduct unbecoming of an officer" is hardly a reflection of a person. You used that picture as an example of people who aren't heroic. How does that make them not heroic? Regardless of some silly regulation they may have broken, for all you know many of the people in that picture, who there are smiling and happy, can be dead right now, and for a variety of reasons. The women there could have been killed trying to throw back a grenade, or evacuating a building before a bomb went off, yet to you they're bad people because they have the nerve to enjoy themselves while off-duty, in the middle of some god forsaken desert.That's not even just illogical, it's downright retarded.
Re: Are soldiers 'heroes'
Originally posted by Free_Speech
In the U.K. we get told they are heroes all the time. Do you think they are?
We're told the same thing.
I think they have the greatest potential to be heroes. I've had the chance to meet quite a few soldiers, current and former. A lot of them are not in it to be heroes. They want to serve their country and pay for college. Others, however, are in it to be thanked and have their asses kissed by everyone they meet for the rest of their lives. It's amazing how something can humble one person and make an arrogant prick out of another.