Empire vs Covenant and UNSC (UNSC territory)

Scenario: 50 years after the war ended between the Covenant and the UNSC (3002), an Empire Star Destroyer stumbles into unmarked territory after going into hyperdrive, which was damaged in an unexplained accident. While the crew of the Star Destroyer sends out their coordinates to Coruscant, the UNSC, now with a full fleet and population (equivalent to before the war), and their new ally, the Covenant (full pop. and fleet as well), engage the Empire Star Destroyer, destroying it with a flurry of heavy MAC rounds and Plasma bolts.
The Empire receives the coordinates, and soon after some specualtion from the council, decided to launch a small fleet (5 Star Destroyer) to the new found system (Sigma Octanus IV).

UNSC Armament: MAC rounds (Heavy rounds travel at 300,000 KPH or km/h), weighing 600 tonnes (tons), and have extreme kinect force (a little over 270 TJ since I last checked, which is a **** load of megatons. I would say exactly, but I dont have the sheet I did the conversions on with me atm)
Now, Super MAC rounds are a completely different story. Those suckers weight about 3,000 tons and travel 267,840,000 mph. That's 2.15214797 × 10^20 TJ (I actually dont have these conversions to megatons and I dont feel like doing so)
Archer missiles, and 3 Shiva-class nuclear missiles per ship (the standard I believe).

Typically, Covenant frigates can takes 2-3 MAC rounds. First 1-2 rounds destroys shields and can do damage to the ship as well (ex: making a clean hole through it's hull and/ or completely morphing the ships appearance based on stress to the ship due the the kinetic energy). It also takes 1 shot from a frigates/ destroyers main plasma cannon to take down an equal Covenant class's shields, so we'll say that these blasts are have twice as much energy than a MAC round.
UNSC ships have also taken multiple blasts from these energy weapons before being destroyed.

It is never specified as far as my knowledge of Star Wars how long it takes to repair one of their ships. However, in Halo: The Fall of Reach (which I have based most of the Naval capacity of the ships off of, since this book has the most naval battes imo in the Halo universe), the Cradle was capable of repairing the Iroquois withing 30 hrs, though I believe the Cpt. Keyes stopped at 6 hrs in order to help the fleet fend of the Covenant. Regardless, it's MAC was fixed, it's thrusters were at 40% I believe, and most of the external damage was repaired.

It is also stated in HtFoR, that 4 Covenant ships (Frigate and Destroyers) were capable of destroying 7 UNSC ships (mainly Destroyer class). However, Cpt. Keyes was able to destroy 4 Covenant ships with his single ship without and onboard AI.

Now time to the ground forces:

UNSC: Rebooted Spartan program. 30 Spartans for the UNSC, Helljumpers (UNSC. The prime forces of the UNSC), and Marines.

Covenant: All rankings of Drones, Jackels, Elites, and Hunters, Skirmishers, and Brutes (despite the Civil War within the Covenant, they are all allies now).
Here are the rankings for each race:
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Sangheili
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Unggoy
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Jiralhanae
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Kig-yar

Empire: Storm and Clone Troopers, but at a limit of 5 billion (about the same population as Earth right now), and 10% of the Jedi available throughout the Galaxy as of pre Phantom Menace.

Vehicles: All land air air-to-ground vehicles for both sides are permitted. Only 7% of the Empire's troops get access to one vehicle, and to even up the odds, 10% are given to each population size of the UNSC and Covenant.

This battle will be fought on Reach, which has returned to it's original pristine condition before being "glassed." The UNSC get the population of their total population (this includes Sigma Octanus IV and any of systems), and the Covenant has the same population as the UNSC.

Armament of ground forces: Full Armament for both sides.

Also, the Empire cannot hire Bounty Hunters.

Discuss.

This can actually be wrapped up very nicely if someone can provide the energy output in Watts for the Covenant plasma and the MAC rounds. I'm guessing they're not in the the 400 billion gigawatt range that Star Wars turbolasers are...

Last time I checked, a tera is bigger than a giga lol
1 J = 1 watt

Isn't joule equivalent to one watt second? Or how many watts produced in one second? So a MAC round produces 270 trillion watts per second. And one shot from a common turbolaser (such as on an Acclamator-class transport), is 400 billion billion watts. Last time I multiplied a billion by a billion, my calculator told me to go f*ck myself.

EDIT: Wookieepedia suck some times. But I found this line on the Acclamator's guns: "These ships were armed with 4 heavy torpedo launch tubes; 24 point-defense laser cannons, rated at 6 megatons per shot; and 12 quad turbolaser turrets, each rated at a maximum of 200 gigatons per shot."

Halopedia has these lines on the MAC rounds: "The standard ship-mounted MAC fires a 600-ton ferric-tungsten projectile with a depleted uranium core at 30,000 meters per second (equal to 64 megatons of TNT)."

And the Super MAC: "These cannons fire a 3000-ton ferric-tungsten round at 12,000 kilometers per second,equal to approximately 51.6 gigatons of TNT."

You dont square it. 1 watt = 1 J per second, but the output of energy is the same. It doesn't gain any momentous energy. Think of it as a Calorie. It's a set amount of energy, and the energy is only converted into another forge of energy. The Law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. Therefore, the amount of joules remains constant, so 1 J = 1 watt. A watt is just over a given amount of time.

Yup, you're right. I got those two confused again.

Star Wars isn't big on energy measurements. Working with the Acclamator scale: we've got every shot of a quad turbolaser measuring in at almost 4 times the unblockable shot fired by the most powerful weapon the UNSC has.

I'm leaning towards the ISDs.

Exactly. You wouldn't square it. Especially in a vacuum where no opposing force is there. That just doesn't make sense. lol well technically, all of Star Wars technology defies physics. Still though, you wouldn't square it.

Alright, I'll just say it. Pyrrhic victory for the Empire. They obliterate the other fleets and the cost of 4 1/2 of their own ships, and the resulting collateral damage renders Reach uninhabitable.

The SMACs could kill just about anything short of the DS. Catch is is that beyond a certain range they rounds can be dodged and within a certain range the platforms cant be turned enough.

On the ground? Infantry goes to Halo while everything below scarab/atat is roughly even. Either way, in a total war scenario, GE stomps.

1.17 Teratons is the stated yield for the Supermacs. 200 gigatons per shot is the maximum per shot energy. Bu aparently this craps all over fire rate.

Originally posted by Letum Lettow
1.17 Teratons is the stated yield for the Supermacs. 200 gigatons per shot is the maximum per shot energy. Bu aparently this craps all over fire rate.

I'd give ground battle to the Halo forces without a doubt. However, it's debatable whether or not the GE would dominate UNSC and Covenant.

Well according to this number, "51.6 gigatons of TNT", the Supermac's power is 2.16*10^20 J. Roughly half the power of a turbolaser.

Originally posted by Omnislash Kid
I'd give ground battle to the Halo forces without a doubt.

Really? You did consider the numbers?
The Empire owns millions of armored vessels, with AT-ATs casually shrugging of weaponary as powerful as nuclear weapons. On top of that, you can add World Devastators, which are not only nigh indestructible, but also, basically, miniature black holes that suck any kind of energy and matter in and use the gained energy to construct drones that attack with more efficiency than your usual human pilot. Those things will simply fly over any planet surface and destroy all ground forces present without effort.

However, it's debatable whether or not the GE would dominate UNSC and Covenant.

It is?
The Empire sports technology that can only be found in Forerunner artefacts in the Haloverse. They have spaceports ringing freaking star-systems that do nothing but produce more devastating warships. And the Empire has tons of that. More than 25,000 Star Destroyers, a dozen Super Star Destroyers. Superweapons any? Two Death Stars, the Galaxy Gun and the Sun Crusher. Technically the latter alone is already enough to win this confrontation. It is virtually undestructible (it can survive supernovas) and can destroy anything that can be hit by a supernova (which it can cause).

I'm confused by this thread. The Empire has 5 Star Destroyers in this scenario, but 5 billion troops? That isn't, logistically, possible.

In any case, same old same old. The Empire probably wins the space engagement, but loses on the ground, getting torn up even worse than when the Ewoks did them in.

edit- And, Nai, you're not referring to the TIE/D's are you? From what I remember, the reason why the Empire abandoned the TIE/D concept was because they were less effficent than even their regular old bumbiling imperial pilots.

Those were the droid fighters the Devastators pumped out? I remember them from Rogue Squadron: "As their piloting ability never matched that of living pilots, the droids were eventually abandoned. The dream of a perfect automated military force would remain out of the reach of the Galactic Empire."

But then again, the Devastators aren't here.

If this was just the 5 billion Stormtroopers, I'd say their sheer number of blasters would ensure that they would at least take a great chunk of the Cov/UNSC forces with them. But 1,000 Jedi added to the mix? No way. Empire wins each engagement.

I don't agree. Your average trooper with a shotgun could kill your average Jedi in an engagement, especially one where there's full sqauds. A SPARTAN or Elite could do likewise.

You're average Jedi could deflect said shotgun spray. With his Force. He'll also have 50 million stormtroopers to lay down covering fire.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Really? You did consider the numbers?
The Empire owns millions of armored vessels, with AT-ATs casually shrugging of weaponary as powerful as nuclear weapons. On top of that, you can add World Devastators, which are not only nigh indestructible, but also, basically, miniature black holes that suck any kind of energy and matter in and use the gained energy to construct drones that attack with more efficiency than your usual human pilot. Those things will simply fly over any planet surface and destroy all ground forces present without effort.

It is?
The Empire sports technology that can only be found in Forerunner artefacts in the Haloverse. They have spaceports ringing freaking star-systems that do nothing but produce more devastating warships. And the Empire has tons of that. More than 25,000 Star Destroyers, a dozen Super Star Destroyers. Superweapons any? Two Death Stars, the Galaxy Gun and the Sun Crusher. Technically the latter alone is already enough to win this confrontation. It is virtually undestructible (it can survive supernovas) and can destroy anything that can be hit by a supernova (which it can cause).

Did you even bother to read the scenario?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You're average Jedi could deflect said shotgun spray. With his Force. He'll also have 50 million stormtroopers to lay down covering fire.

Have you also considered the Hunters? What about Brutes or Elites? What about the damned Spartans? I dont doubt that it would be a good ground battle, but blaster bolts wouldn't even hurt a Hunter. You also have Elites, who have active camo, who are also a crap load stronger and faster than Storm/ Clone Troopers. I dont doubt that the Jedi with covering fire would be a problem, but when you consider how much more powerful the Covenant troops are than the Empire's troops, then the Jedi now have a problem (being Hunters, Elites, Brutes, and Spartans). So yes, I think it would be interesting, but I'd have to give it to the Halo as far as ground battles, unless you want to go in depth on it, which I am more than fine with.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You're average Jedi could deflect said shotgun spray. With his Force. He'll also have 50 million stormtroopers to lay down covering fire.

The difference is that with a gun you can shoot someone from a hundred yards away... whereas you need to be within about 3 feet to kill someone with a lightsaber.