Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanThat and SPARTAN LASER B******!
They won't be able to lay down cover fire because they'll be getting smothered by the 50 million enemy soldiers' cover fire. 313The difference is that with a gun you can shoot someone from a hundred yards away... whereas you need to be within about 3 feet to kill someone with a lightsaber.
Originally posted by Omnislash Kid
Did you even bother to read the scenario?
As much as you bothered to put some thoughts into creating it.
Let me check: 5 ISDs. Each ISD has a peak power output of
~9,28 × 10E24 W, with at leat 50 % of it can be used to power the shields (4,64 x 10E24 W).
Now let use, for the fun time, assume that the MAC rounds wouldn't get vaporized before even hitting the ISDs (which is the most likely scenario provided that 600 - 3000 tons don't really qualify as "small target"😉: What would happen?
MAC: 600 tons shot at 30,000 meters per second, unleashing 100 % of the kinetic energy against a target in form of damage, would generate 2,7E14 J.
Super-MAC: 3000 tons shot at 12,000 kilometers per second, unleashing 100 % of the kinetic energy against the target would generate 2,16E20 J.
Single full power shot from the ISD (200 GT) will generate 8,36E21 J.
So one ISD shot equals about 40 SuperMAC shots and the ISD would be able to shrug off about 200,000 SuperMAC rounds before it's shields would collapse.
Space battle: Empire curbstomps the Haloverse.
Ground forces?
You cram that forces on one planet. You face a front of 5 billion blaster wielding storm-troopers, each of them carrying weaponary compareable to a Spartan Laser in terms of firepower (just without the recharge time) some of them in nigh-indestructible ground vehicles. Those are companied by 1,000 Jedi. How are the Halo forces going to win this?
Originally posted by Omnislash KidAnd you're basing this off of...
blaster bolts wouldn't even hurt a Hunter.
Originally posted by Omnislash KidDuh.
You also have Elites, who have active camo, who are also a crap load stronger and faster than Storm/ Clone Troopers.
Originally posted by Omnislash KidWhat Nai said.
I dont doubt that the Jedi with covering fire would be a problem, but when you consider how much more powerful the Covenant troops are than the Empire's troops, then the Jedi now have a problem (being Hunters, Elites, Brutes, and Spartans). So yes, I think it would be interesting, but I'd have to give it to the Halo as far as ground battles, unless you want to go in depth on it, which I am more than fine with.
Originally posted by Borbarad
each of them carrying weaponary compareable to a Spartan Laser in terms of firepower (just without the recharge time)
Which is why a direct hit to Leia's unarmored shoulder did such little damage to her that she could easily hold and aim a gun afterwards? A single blast from a spartan laser incinerates any damn near any vehicle in the star wars mythos, and can pierce three sets of spartan armor, which is tougher than any armor that exists in the sw mythos, least that I'm aware of. Also, the sniper rifle models used twenty years prior to the ones used during the Halo-Covvie war fired rounds that were only a few millimeters in size but, literally, made people explode upon contact, due to the sheer velocity of the rounds (the rounds moved at around mach 40, I'll get the real figure to you next time I get my hands on a copy of Contact: Harvest, if you desire). Considering that storm trooper armor can't even protect the wearer from the concussive force of a judo flip, or arrows apparently, it's obvious that Imperial infantry is far, far inferior to Halo's infantry, specifically the Covenant. The plasma weapons used by the covenant have been noted to melt through multiple plates of steel armor and literally burn through unprotected people. Several needler rounds piercing someone is enough to make their lower torso explode. Comparing the damage that the weapons inflict, even on unarmored targets, it's obvious that Covenant plasma has the edge in destructive capabilities, at least on the infantry scale. Taking that into consideration, the
some of them in nigh-indestructible ground vehicles.I know you're referring to the AT-AT's, because last time I checked two logs coming together was enough to annihilate an AT-ST. As far as AT-AT's are concerned, last time I checked Luke destroyed one with a pack of a thermal detonators. That's an easily replicable feat for the super human "Bullets move in slow motion to my perception" SPARTANS and Elites and UNSC commandos. Aside from that, the damn things are obviously top heavy. Assuming that the UNSC and Covenent firepower is inferior to Star Wars blasters (Which, aside from the space technology, I've seen no evidence of), the same "knock them down" tactics that the Rebels used against the AT-AT's is available to the UNSC/Covenent strike force.
There is also the matter of the Covenent's own "invincible" walkers, the Scarabs, and the UNSC's plentiful supply of tactical nukes, which they used quite liberally in the canonical battle for Reach.
Those are companied by 1,000 Jedi.
No name Jedi have been shown throughout the mythos to be barely a level above fodder. They've been killed by one man using only his fists despite having the Jedi having a 14 to 1 numerical superiority (Jango), have been overwhelmed by a single squad of troopers, shot in the back, surprised, etc. etc. As I pointed out earlier, a single shotgun blast would tear any Jedi apart instantly, and it's a weapon they have no defense against. A SPARTAN's reflexes are such that they can actually see bullets moving through the air, and armed with energy swords, shields, and class 5 strength, could definitely hold their own against any fodder Jedi. Elites are slightly weaker but they have superior shielding and number in the hundreds of millions.
I hold my earlier sentiments; the Imperials probably take the space battle and therefore win the thread, but they get hopelessly slaughtered in a ground engagement. Better technology, and better training as well (we all know that even if look only to the novels and consider the movies PIS, stromtroopers have shit tactics and even shittier aim).
I would concede that Halo would win the Ground engagement, but I have a problem with the Jedi vs. SPARTANS. Specifically the 1,000 Jedi vs. the 30 Spartans. In this case, every one unidentified--so that means no PIS to save the day. E.g. No Jango Fett to kick every one's ass, no hesitation by John from pulling the pistol's trigger as soon as it's in the Arbiter's mouth, no half-magazine of pistol ammunition being fired in to a Zealot-class Elite to make him retreat.
One thousand lightsaber wielding, precognitive-armed, fully trained warriors who possess magical powers
Vs.
Thirty genetically enhanced, near-precognitive, fully trained super soldiers armed with automatic projectile weaponry.
Aside from the fact that SPARTAN shields will be deflecting neither a lightsaber nor a Force Push, and that Jedi Padawans trained in Ataru (Kenobi) have been shown to deflect rapid fire, and that Jedi (Kenobi again) have been shown in T-canon sources to reflect a barrage of slugs and mass-less laser bolts with ease... I still say, sure, some Jedi will fall to SPARTAN ingenuity. But at the cost of all thirty of their numbers.
Originally posted by Lord LucienWell, judginghow the Covenant plasma weapons can burn through people, and how they can burn through SPATAN armor, and seeing as how you need a high end blaster to burn through a person, I can say that if plasma weaponry wont hurt a Hunter, then a blaster wont hurt one. Hunter's have had one tno pillars from 10 feet dropped on them, taken a crap load of infantry AR weapon bound off of them. They armor is as durable as SPARTAN armor, if not more durable, so I dont doubt that they can withstand plasma bolts, which means they can definitely withstand blaster bolts.
And you're basing this off of...
All that's left now imo at this point is to go into the space battle. I'm sure the GE would win it 9/10 times, but the Halo fans have seen what Cpt. Keyes has done, and I'm sure the Halo forces could develop a strategy to beat the GE. Though, that is a stretch, but not out of the realm of possibility.
Actually in the EU im pretty sure stormtroopers were incredible shots........
Also, we ARE forgetting that the AT-ATs bolts probably explode
If we include the games in the HALO thing, then yes, plasma weapons will kill a hunter
I sprayed one with like, 2 fully charged plasma rifles in the chest and he died
I'm hesitant to put fourth the effort needed to address everything that's wrong in your post. So, I'll skip ahead to Lucien.
I would concede that Halo would win the Ground engagement, but I have a problem with the Jedi vs. SPARTANS. Specifically the 1,000 Jedi vs. the 30 Spartans. In this case, every one unidentified--so that means no PIS to save the day. E.g. No Jango Fett to kick every one's ass, no hesitation by John from pulling the pistol's trigger as soon as it's in the Arbiter's mouth, no half-magazine of pistol ammunition being fired in to a Zealot-class Elite to make him retreat.One thousand lightsaber wielding, precognitive-armed, fully trained warriors who possess magical powers
Vs.
Thirty genetically enhanced, near-precognitive, fully trained super soldiers armed with automatic projectile weaponry.
I agree with you that 1000 jedi would annihilate 30 Spartans. The numerical difference in itself would be damning for the UNSC/Covenent. That isn't how this scenario's going down though. The 30 spartans are backed up by millions of elites and UNSC personnel.
As far as the rest of your posts I do pretty much agree with you on principle, I don't think that every Jedi will essentially just be torn to pieces in any engagement with an Elite or a Spartan.
Originally posted by Pwnedlol the only thing cannon about the video games are the dialogue relating to the objective and the cutscenes
Actually in the EU im pretty sure stormtroopers were incredible shots........Also, we ARE forgetting that the AT-ATs bolts probably explode
If we include the games in the HALO thing, then yes, plasma weapons will kill a hunter
I sprayed one with like, 2 fully charged plasma rifles in the chest and he died
Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanThat WOULD be a silly notion. The Jedi would be a very feared adversary. Though, we have to think about how they're spaced. If they're all in one area, they either have no problem, or it gives UNSC/ Cov. an easier way to kill a bunch of them with grenades, banshees, ect. I doubt that the Jedi would be that stupid though, and would most likely be spread out throughout the GE forces.
I'm hesitant to put fourth the effort needed to address everything that's wrong in your post. So, I'll skip ahead to Lucien.I agree with you that 1000 jedi would annihilate 30 Spartans. The numerical difference in itself would be damning for the UNSC/Covenent. That isn't how this scenario's going down though. The 30 spartans are backed up by millions of elites and UNSC personnel.
As far as the rest of your posts I do pretty much agree with you on principle, I don't think that every Jedi will essentially just be torn to pieces in any engagement with an Elite or a Spartan.
As for the way between ships, the 5 Star Destroyer's would be fighting around 80 other ships at once. Well, excluding the other ships that can be launched (pelican's, banshees, Phantoms) vs anything the Star Destroyer has on deck (I haven't read anything canon as far as to what the basic ships a Star Destroyer carries).
I think the only way the Halo forces could win is if they had 50 ships concentrating all of their firepower to the 5 Destroyers and have 30 Covenant destroyers over the Star Destroyer and "glass" them. That COULD work.
My response to Blax is the first paragraph, the rest is the fleshing out of my earlier points.
Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanAnd the 1,000 Jedi are backed up by 5 billion Stormtroopers, 7% of which are cruising in vehicles. Blow for blow, the average Jedi has an advantage over the average SPARTAN and Sangheili thanks to the Force. It would take a game figure like John, Six, 'Vadum or 'Vadam to PIS their way to a kill. I recall (though can't remember the name of) a Spartan... III, I believe, being gutted by taking a Brute shot to the abdomen. Explosive projectiles are the most dangerous thing facing the Jedi, not shotguns, assault rifles, and energy swords. That shit they can reflect and dodge and block.
I'm hesitant to put fourth the effort needed to address everything that's wrong in your post. So, I'll skip ahead to Lucien.I agree with you that 1000 jedi would annihilate 30 Spartans. The numerical difference in itself would be damning for the UNSC/Covenent. That isn't how this scenario's going down though. The 30 spartans are backed up by millions of elites and UNSC personnel.
As far as the rest of your posts I do pretty much agree with you on principle, I don't think that every Jedi will essentially just be torn to pieces in any engagement with an Elite or a Spartan.
But either way, I rescind my previous statement that the Jedi would win this for the Empire. I misread, thinking that the Cov/UNSC had access to all of their vehicles, not just 10% each. As far as I know of Halo vehicles, the Scarabs with their range and maneuverability would be the biggest threat to the potential... 300, 200? million Walkers dotting the planet's surface. And if the Battle of Hoth is any indication, those things have hella range compared to Scarabs or Wraiths.
I just checked Halopedia, and it says about the V1 Scarab in Halo 2, it's "armor could be similar to the plating used on Covenant warships", hence it's imperviousness to conventional fire. The same Covenant warships that are sliced in two by the 51.6 gigaton Super MAC shot. I'm thinking that blaster fire, especially from Walkers and AT-ATs, are within the proportionatly comparable range of the 200 gigaton shots from the Star Destroyer's guns. And that's the V1 Scarab--the V2 tanks from Halo 3 onwards are described as "now completely destructible". Game mechanics FTW.
Originally posted by Omnislash KidThe stats here for the Empire are:
That WOULD be a silly notion. The Jedi would be a very feared adversary. Though, we have to think about how they're spaced. If they're all in one area, they either have no problem, or it gives UNSC/ Cov. an easier way to kill a bunch of them with grenades, banshees, ect. I doubt that the Jedi would be that stupid though, and would most likely be spread out throughout the GE forces.As for the way between ships, the 5 Star Destroyer's would be fighting around 80 other ships at once. Well, excluding the other ships that can be launched (pelican's, banshees, Phantoms) vs anything the Star Destroyer has on deck (I haven't read anything canon as far as to what the basic ships a Star Destroyer carries).
I think the only way the Halo forces could win is if they had 50 ships concentrating all of their firepower to the 5 Destroyers and have 30 Covenant destroyers over the Star Destroyer and "glass" them. That COULD work.
240 TIEs (variable classes),
60 TIE bombers,
60 TIE boarding craft,
25 Assault Gunboats,
"variable number" (x5) Skipray Blastboats,
and 300 Ion cannons.
I also forgot to ask if these are Imperial I-class SDs, or Imperial II-class... they have their own respective stats.
Will a lightsaber burn out a Spartan's shield? I would think so, if energy blasts do... If so, I don't see how the Spartans are going to touch the Jedi. Elites even less so. They fire ENERGY WEAPONS. Like stormtroopers. The jedi block those with sabers, move in, cut them in half. The elite don't even have melee weapons. They are like more intelligent droids.
Originally posted by truejediEnergy swords...
Will a lightsaber burn out a Spartan's shield? I would think so, if energy blasts do... If so, I don't see how the Spartans are going to touch the Jedi. Elites even less so. They fire ENERGY WEAPONS. Like stormtroopers. The jedi block those with sabers, move in, cut them in half. The elite don't even have melee weapons. They are like more intelligent droids.
Originally posted by truejedi
Are energy swords capable of blocking lightsabers?
Based on my own nigh-professional intelligence on the Halo universe, I'd say so. Possibly. Maybe.
But I'd also imagine Force users wield their weapons with greater skill, speed, and agility than even Spartans and Elites.
