Surfer and Thanos vs Wally West and Zoom, no PIS, CIS, BFR, or BS Megamatch!!!

Originally posted by MrMind
I think it's really simple, if people like the flash and superman who both can move speed of light can't even react or even see zoom. I'm sure thanos and silver surfer won't. surfer may be fast. but can he react before zoom kills him? probably not. zoom can manipulate himself 100 times speed of light, 1000 times speed of light and even more till
infinity.
and we all know thanos or surfer are both vulnerable to physical attack. they are not durable enough to take punches harder than superman without getting hurt. and 10000 punches harder than superman probably will kill them.
game, set, match. surfer and thanos get killed right away before passed a nanosecond
zoom makes superman looks like a statue while running around the world

That was Flash's fight with Zoom, over Linda.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yet, Zoom durability is significantly inferior to that of Thanos. So were you guys posting that to back up the claim that Thanos or Surfer will get hit many times but not be KO'd before being able to launch their own attack. If so.. 👆

I mean, we already know Thanos does not do well at all against speedsters... Nor does Surfer. Case in point: Runner.

Originally posted by Galan007
I think you missed the point behind those scans.

We know how many punches Zoom can deliver in a very short amount of time (1st scan) -- we know the power he can pack behind said punches (2nd-3rd scans.)

In an all-out, no holding back, PIS/CIS free setting (eg. this thread) he's going to be putting those abilities together.

i just find it strange that he can fit a few million punches in a second to eventually rock a girl to sleep, then he hits WW with one blow and she goes flying. his intent was the same for both incidents

Originally posted by psycho gundam
well actually, the amount zoom delivered should pack the same punch unless his punch flurries are nothing compared to one of his haymakers.....going the most likely the same speed (note* he was hitting i think power girl (from the looks of it) right int the jaw and t!ts with a few million punches, yes plural. and we know it didn't take him that long)

But we know that he is capable of delivering millions of punches in the time it takes HIM to finish a sentence, we know he CAN punch with the force of Superman, and we know he didn't have to build up any speed/momentum to strike Dianna with the aforementioned level punches.

^^ That being said, if Zoom were bloodlusted, not holding back whatsoever, and using his abilities to their best, he would certainly be able to put those abilities together. To suggest otherwise is to completely disregard the evidence presented.

In this match it isn't a question. Zoom can definitely hit extremely hard. Hell he snapped his fingers and was destroying large areas.

Originally posted by Galan007
Zoom rarely ever fights to kill. He fights to make heroes 'better'. This has been stated numerous times.

But we know that he is capable of delivering millions of punches in the time it takes HIM to finish a sentence, we know he CAN punch with the force of Superman, and we know he didn't have to build up any speed/momentum to strike Dianna with the aforementioned level punches.

^^ That being said, if Zoom were bloodlusted, not holding back whatsoever, and using his abilities to their best, he would certainly be able to put those abilities together. To suggest otherwise is to completely disregard the evidence presented.

fitting in a several million punches should hit just as hard cause of the speed unless there is some other factor. just seems a little weird.

not saying he can't do anything, just that the punch he hit diana with should have applied to power girl several million times over. *shrug*

Originally posted by psycho gundam
sounds like you're describing two different powers; punching like superman and rapid flurry.

fitting in a several million punches should hit just as hard cause of the speed unless there is some other factor. just seems a little weird.

not saying he can't do anything, just that the punch he hit diana with should have applied to power girl several million times over. *shrug*

Zoom can control his hits because he doesn't use his "speed" the same way to begin with.

so the punches on power girl were for show then? that's what i'm taking from this.

I'm just really unclear about a few things my friend and please try and point them out if you could.

1. We are too believe so has superman level punches from Dianna saying so? Correct? Are there any other examples of his punching power living up to that billing?

2. What is the fatest zoom or flash have punched in a combat situation? 1000, 10,000, 1,000,000? Hopefully there are more than one example so see them actually doing this in a combat situation. If there is a situation where they did so against a HH, or someone in Thanos range with a KO.. that would be ideal.

3. would you say surfer or thanos could possibly be discribed as having FTL reflex? If not that fast, how fast would you roughly say it to be? Obviously you know the incidents in question for you to gauge both Thanos and Sufer.

Thanks man and have a great holiday buddy

i'm not saying the same thing as that ^ fyi, i;m just trying to understand that one scan

Originally posted by psycho gundam
sounds like you're describing two different powers; punching like superman and rapid flurry.

fitting in a several million punches should hit just as hard cause of the speed unless there is some other factor. just seems a little weird.

not saying he can't do anything, just that the punch he hit diana with should have applied to power girl several million times over. *shrug*

But again, in this battle Zoom will be utilizing ALL of his abilities to their MAX. That said, we know how fast he CAN deliver punches, and we know the power he CAN pack behind said punches. It's a '1+1=?' type of thing, as far as I'm concerned.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm just really unclear about a few things my friend and please try and point them out if you could.

1. We are too believe so has superman level punches from Dianna saying so? Correct? Are there any other examples of his punching power living up to that billing?

2. What is the fatest zoom or flash have punched in a combat situation? 1000, 10,000, 1,000,000? Hopefully there are more than one example so see them actually doing this in a combat situation. If there is a situation where they did so against a HH, or someone in Thanos range with a KO.. that would be ideal.

3. would you say surfer or thanos could possibly be discribed as having FTL reflex? If not that fast, how fast would you roughly say it to be? Obviously you know the incidents in question for you to gauge both Thanos and Sufer.

Thanks man and have a great holiday buddy

2.) Millions.

3.) Possibly. However, both Thanos and Surfer were completely overwhelmed by Runner's speed -- and you'd be hard-pressed to prove Runner's battle speed is superior to Wally's... Let alone Zoom's.

Originally posted by Galan007

3.) Possibly. However, both Thanos and Surfer were completely overwhelmed by Runner's speed -- and you'd be hard-pressed to prove Runner's battle speed is superior to Wally's... Let alone Zoom's.

Originally posted by Mindset
I could do it.

Questions? ermm

^^^ lol

Now,

1. Okay, I get that WW said that, just like superman often comments how about this person or that person was his toughest fight. She commented on Zoom.. and his punch sent her far.. got it. What I'm looking for though, is any other proof of him punching that hard?

2. Millions... Excellent. This is what I'm been asking for this whole time. Can you please tell me when this happened for both Zoom and Flash, as it has been claimed for both parties. Billons has even been claimed.

3. Okay

Thanks man

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
^^^ lol

Now,

1. Okay, I get that WW said that, just like superman often comments how about this person or that person was his toughest fight. She commented on Zoom.. and his punch sent her far.. got it. What I'm looking for though, is any other proof of him punching that hard?

2. Millions... Excellent. This is what I'm been asking for this whole time. Can you please tell me when this happened for both Zoom and Flash, as it has been claimed for both parties. Billons has even been claimed.

3. Okay

Thanks man

1. You answered your own question. Dianna stated that she has been punched by Superman (which she has), then went on to say Zoom's punches hurt MORE. Tack on the fact that each of those punches were knocking her thousands of miles, and I don't see why there's any reason to doubt the validity of her comment. Writers don't usually have characters speak in hyperbole when they are talking to themselves (as Dianna was.)

2.) I posted the scan a few pages back. Zoom tagged an alternate PG millions of times in the time it took HIM to finish a sentence. However, I don't think anywhere near that amount of Superman-esque punches would be needed. I'm fine with a few thousand --hell, even a few hundred-- being delivered nigh-instantly after the battle begins. Even low-balling it THAT much would still be more than enough, imo (using the Runner as my gauge again.)

Originally posted by Galan007
Writers don't usually have characters speak in hyperbole when they are talking to themselves (as Dianna was.)

I would argue they're in the same class. Those definitely aren't Zoom's best feats either. He's really on a whole new level.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I would disagree with this statement. I feel that hyperbole often occurs in inner-dialogues....ie Superman saying "that's the hardest I've been hit" basically every time someone new punches him.

b.) Please list the instances where Superman has stated "that's the hardest I've been hit", along with a list of the characters who struck him in those instances. This should be an easy task if that comment is as plentiful as you seem to think it is. 🙂

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I would argue they're in the same class. Those definitely aren't Zoom's best feats either. He's really on a whole new level.