Surfer and Thanos vs Wally West and Zoom, no PIS, CIS, BFR, or BS Megamatch!!!

Originally posted by Starscream M
I have an issue with this one.

Does it not take him more energy to do this? He punched Diana how many times...maybe 10? To extrapolate from that he could punch 1000 or a million times at the same power without any further evidence seems a stretch.

Even if he didn't need momentum, he would need more energy...vastly more to deliver a superman level punch than the weaker punches. Does he have an infinite store of energy...to allow him to deliver A MILLION?

you can't supply reduce this to a 1+1 equation. that's a simplistic and flawed approach. Now you may in the end be right...but the evidence certainly isn't sufficient.

Keep in mind Zoom fight's to strengthen and because of that he doesn't fight to kill.

Zoom's speed is what enabled him to strike with said amount of force. That said, as long as he is moving at no less than light speed (which he does perpetually), he has the ability to deliver Superman-level punches.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That hit to Egypt (I think it was Egypt) was a one shot. From what I saw.

Keep in mind Zoom fight's to strengthen and because of that he doesn't fight to kill.

do you not see the flawed logic in that?

just because Zoom doesn't go all out...we can then assume if he does he can do X without actual more concrete evidence.

Maybe if he goes all out, he can do 5x what he did to Diana, or 100x, or 1000x....but that's all speculation.

Originally posted by Galan007
Zoom's speed is what enabled him to strike with said amount of force. That said, as long as he is moving at no less than light speed (which he does perpetually), he has the ability to deliver Superman-level punches.

ok, I guess.

Mr. Galan covered it. His speed allows him to hit hard. Seeing as he can amp as much as he feels the need to, it isn't an issue.

Furthermore it isn't because they won't react to Zoom anyways in this thread. They'll be frozen.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Furthermore it isn't because they won't react to Zoom anyways in this thread. They'll be frozen.

Properly written, Flash and Zoom will be fighting statues...regardless of whether million IMPs per second is feasible or not.

Zoom's energy is derived from his speed, not his raw strength. He struck with the force of Superman because he was moving at light speed.

Originally posted by Galan007
Zoom's energy is derived from his speed, not his raw strength. He struck with the force of Superman because he was moving at light speed.

Originally posted by Galan007
Zoom's energy is derived from his speed, not his raw strength. He struck with the force of Superman because he was moving at light speed.

He hasn't shown to tire. He just manips the time in simplistic terms.

Not that it would be an issue here mind you.

how can one administer thousands of superman level punches to an opponent? there should be tremendous knockback on the initial punch (and or each and every punch). we know the flash's can throw them by the thousands, but how can they really land them by the thousands cleanly? each punch is too forceful to an opponent to not get knocked back considerably. that would make it incredibly hard to land them by the thousands especially to one who can also move faster than light (Surfer). then add Surfer's durability, he will get off an attack that will end the flashs.

Originally posted by Starscream M
and his source of speed is limitless...does he ever tire?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
how can one administer thousands of superman level punches to an opponent? there should be tremendous knockback on the initial punch. we know the flash's can throw them by the thousands, but how can they really land them by the thousands. each punch is too forceful to an opponent to not get knocked back considerably. that would make it incredibly hard to land them by the thousands especially to one who can also move faster than light (Surfer).

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Speed Force, bro.

Speed force is just one big plot device. Contributes to his haxx.

Surfer won't get that attack off based off of the combo to ko principle presented to us by king h1a8.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your opponent can have the power of TOAA (minus the speed) and flash will still win.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
how can one administer thousands of superman level punches to an opponent? there should be tremendous knockback on the initial punch. we know the flash's can throw them by the thousands, but how can they really land them by the thousands. each punch is too forceful to an opponent to not get knocked back considerably. that would make it incredibly hard to land them by the thousands especially to one who can also move faster than light (Surfer).

say flash hits thanos...but as thanos is knocked back...flash runs behind him and hits him...and continues...so that thanos is essentially locked in place by flash throwing punches every direction at a seemling simultaneous juncture

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
how can one administer thousands of superman level punches to an opponent? there should be tremendous knockback on the initial punch. we know the flash's can throw them by the thousands, but how can they really land them by the thousands. each punch is too forceful to an opponent to not get knocked back considerably. that would make it incredibly hard to land them by the thousands especially to one who can also move faster than light (Surfer).

I'd guess Wally and Zoom are much faster than the knock back. They could strike an individual spot multiple times, and when they stop, the victims would experience a nigh instantaneous blur of pain along with the accompanying force sending the flying the appropriate distance.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Furthermore it isn't because they won't react to Zoom anyways in this thread. They'll be frozen.

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But nowadays, Zoom can control how fast or slow his personal time bubble moves alone the mainstream timeline...

"Feel the present pass us by, Thaddeus. Like standing on a rolling ball, you can control it. You can move as fast or as slow as you want to":
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/7002/zoomspeed3.jpg

"You aren't tapping into the speed force anymore, Inertia. You're tapping into ME. Into the timestream itself":
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7037/zoomspeed4.jpg

Originally posted by Starscream M
its possible

say flash hits thanos...but as thanos is knocked back...flash runs behind him and hits him...and continues...so that thanos is essentially locked in place by flash throwing punches every direction at a seemling simultaneous juncture

no. not to a guy who can move pretty darned fast too.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'd guess Wally and Zoom are much faster than the knock back. They could strike an individual spot multiple times, and when they stop, the victims would experience a nigh instantaneous blur of pain along with the accompanying force sending the flying the appropriate distance.

nah....

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
nah....

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Pretty much sums up the Thanos camp's reaction to everything posted so far. Recalcitrant denial.

oh really?
ure not the authority.