Surfer and Thanos vs Wally West and Zoom, no PIS, CIS, BFR, or BS Megamatch!!!

Started by Galan00743 pages

She used her lasso to gain the 'upper hand' on Zoom, but I have a few problems with that...

a.) For the lasso to even touch Zoom he must have been moving significantly slower than normal.... Either that, or Dianna can throw her lasso FTL. You pick.
b.) In a more recent encounter, Zoom was able to easily/effortlessly break free of her lasso, while also dealing with the likes of Hal and Superman. This tells me that she may have been able to contain him when he was a noob, but certainly not after he became accustomed to his powers.

I don't remember a clean defeat. Nonetheless Zoom won't be trying to "strengthen" Thanos and Surfer, he'll be going all out. Something he wasn't doing in that event.

Originally posted by Galan007
Regarding how fast Zoom talks/moves...

Just look at how much was accomplished in this series of scans:
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8895/zoom1p.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5039/zoom2z.jpg
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3830/zoom3h.jpg
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/2254/zoom4.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/8184/zoom5y.jpg

Then note that all of it occurred in "LESS THAN A SECOND":
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2655/zoom6.jpg

Several sentences were spoke, and numerous actions were achieved in under a second.

But.... we need more proof. That didn't happen... how do you *know* it was really that fast? 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
She used her lasso to gain the 'upper hand' on Zoom, but I have a few problems with that...

a.) For the lasso to even touch Zoom he must have been moving significantly slower than normal.... Either that, or Dianna can throw her lasso FTL. You pick.
b.) In a more recent encounter, Zoom was able to easily/effortlessly break free of her lasso, while also dealing with the likes of Hal and Superman. This tells me that she may have been able to contain him when he was a noob, but certainly not after he became accustomed to his powers.

exactly

there is no way really wondy or anyone short of flash can beat Zoom

her lasso would be frozen in time to zoom

also, remember, she kicked a few rocks to disorient zoom because apparently she knew where he was going to be...which is ridiculous because those rocks again might as well be statues to zoom

if you take that 1 second feat where he was fighting flash...then even zoom at 10x slower speed would see wondy as a statue, even at 100x slower speed, wondy would still be a statue....maybe if he slows down to 1 million times slower speed, then perhaps wondy would be moving in slow motion relative to him

Starscream is laying it down.

I agree with you, Starscream.

Zoom's only real drawback is that he holds back against most everyone, because he doesn't want to kill them... He wants them to become better. However, that doesn't change the fact that we know what he is capable of when he doesn't hold back (as much, at least) -- and with the stips of thread, that's what matters.

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree with you, Starscream.

Zoom's only real drawback is that he holds back against most everyone, because he doesn't want to kill them... He wants them to become better.

That doesn't change the fact that we know what he is capable of -- and with the stips of thread, that's what matters.

Zoom written as he is would be too much haxx going for the kill.

They'd actually make it worse by using stupid PIS to beat him, and then it would make Zoom look like Flash when he's being dumb.

On a forum match with these rules he fights at full potential like Flash does.

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree with you, Starscream.

Zoom's only real drawback is that he holds back against most everyone, because he doesn't want to kill them... He wants them to become better.

yeah, but at a certain point, when the differential between characters is SO great... even the holding back argument starts to fail

I mean Zoom isn't a bit above wondy, or even alot, he's at exponential logarithmic magnitudes above her

even holding back, he SHOULD be toying with her like a barbie doll

eh...but that's comics. writers aren't writing them with the mindset that such feats will undergo the scrutiny laid in a versus forum debate and hence have no such qualms for the absolute inane level of inconsistency and nonsensicalness.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, but at a certain point, when the differential between characters is SO great... even the holding back argument starts to fail

I mean Zoom isn't a bit above wondy, or even alot, he's at exponential logarithmic magnitudes above her

even holding back, he SHOULD be toying with her like a barbie doll

eh...but that's comics. writers aren't writing them with the mindset that such feats will undergo the scrutiny laid in a versus forum debate and hence have no such qualms for the absolute inane level of inconsistency and nonsensicalness.

You have to have a story after all.

Originally posted by Starscream M
eh...but that's comics. writers aren't writing them with the mindset that such feats will undergo the scrutiny laid in a versus forum debate and hence have no such qualms for the absolute inane level of inconsistency and nonsensicalness.
Sadly, that applies to pretty much every character there is. It's all about the Benjamins.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You have to have a story after all.
you can have a story and still minimize inconsistency PIS

how about just not having Zoom fight Wondy?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Seeing as he was talking so fast that nobody can understand him except an amped Flash I'd be willing to say it was quicker than a second for quite obvious reasons. Unless we're going to keep lowballing the characters.

I'm not going to sit here and try to force you to believe things that should be common knowledge, you are welcome to disagree. At the end of the day both characters are frozen to Zoom and Flash so they cannot win.

surfer won't be easily "frozen".
too much time/space manipulation with PC.

warps time/space to send someone home
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6481/silversurferv3minus1p23sj7.jpg

more incredible time/space manipulation
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7909/silversurfer199713119ui8.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9039/silversurfer199713120fw1.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8928/silversurfer199713121ja1.jpg
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9526/silversurfer199713122tf3.jpg

rides the "Cosmic Swell", a rift in space/time and is unfazed
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7621/silversurfer199611206ri8.jpg
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2481/silversurfer199611208zu9.jpg

looks back in time
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6102/fantfour26107hs3.jpg

Yea, but the story is more important and the average comic reader won't have in depth knowledge of a character like people here. They just like one guy or another. One runs fast, one flies. So it is understandable.

I can sit and enjoy the story and still know it won't happen on here like it does in a comic, Flash would be as bad as Zoom if he were allowed to go hax on everything.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
surfer won't be easily "frozen".
too much time/space manipulation with PC.

warps time/space to send someone home
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6481/silversurferv3minus1p23sj7.jpg

more incredible time/space manipulation
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7909/silversurfer199713119ui8.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9039/silversurfer199713120fw1.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8928/silversurfer199713121ja1.jpg
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9526/silversurfer199713122tf3.jpg

rides the "Cosmic Swell", a rift in space/time and is unfazed
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7621/silversurfer199611206ri8.jpg
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2481/silversurfer199611208zu9.jpg

looks back in time
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6102/fantfour26107hs3.jpg

Oh lord...

Apparently the concept that Surfer will be frozen in time to Zoom, thus will never have the opportunity to activate these alleged abilities, is lost to some.

facepalm

someone kept mentioning zoom's "time bubble"

He does have one. Pretty cool stuff.

Originally posted by Galan007
Apparently the concept that Surfer will be frozen in time to Zoom, thus will never have the opportunity to activate these alleged abilities, is lost to some.

facepalm

so ure telling me his "time bubble" can easily affect Surfer?

His time bubble is for him. It's what he uses to move as fast as he does.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
His time bubble is for him. It's what he uses to move as fast as he does.

Since he doesn't draw his power from a DC comics constant like the speed force, I can see surfer "turning off" his time based ability. Poof.
There's no infinite all powerful source backing his powers. It's basically accidental science. Surfer will easily mess with that.

Too bad he won't have the reaction time.