Dr. Fate vs Dr. Strange

Originally posted by King Kandy
Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't those Hector feats? This is Kent Nelson Fate.

Yeah I generally don’t like to mix feats from other characters. I don’t want to sound bias, but Kent should be able to pull of Hectors feats, and so on. Reason is, well Kent’s mind merges with Nabu’s forming a composite being known as Fate. Nabu is the dominate persona, acting out all the choices, and decisions.

The rest just forgo training via Nabu, relying on what they can make out of the Helms Omniscience.

Originally posted by Mindset
Kinda goes along with him having less showings, as you mentioned.

Right, and going even further it's particularly impressive when one considers that Kent never even had his own series. He never even had his own MINI series, really, just a few backups in some Flash comics and a little story in a First Issue Special. Everything else has been while he's been a part of teams.

To put it that way, it'd be like limiting Dr. Strange to just his appearances with the Defenders (and not even ALL of his appearances with the Defenders, since he was in many more of those comics than was Fate in JSA or All Star Squadron).

I'm not saying one should -- feats are feats are feats -- but it's something to consider, at least.

Btw, who do you think wins?

I think it's probably an even split, slight edge to Fate on paper. It strikes me that Fate has a number of serious advantages over Strange -- more raw power at his command, the lack of need to gesticulate or incant, and the baseline superhuman stats. But for all of that, Dr. Strange is the Macguyver of the mystic world in a lot of ways, and his high level feats speak for themselves -- calling upon the right deities, Dr. Fate could be toast. And for all the things I said about Dr. Fate, the same is true of say Loki -- who has said he's more powerful than Strange directly -- and I still probably wouldn't give Loki odds over Strange. Strange has just overcome too many high level mystical foes to ever count him out.

So yeah, maybe Fate 6/10, but anyone saying Strange 6/10 would have PLENTY of justification to say so.

Originally posted by Desaad
Right, and going even further it's particularly impressive when one considers that Kent never even had his own series. He never even had his own MINI series, really, just a few backups in some Flash comics and a little story in a First Issue Special. Everything else has been while he's been a part of teams.

To put it that way, it'd be like limiting Dr. Strange to just his appearances with the Defenders (and not even ALL of his appearances with the Defenders, since he was in many more of those comics than was Fate in JSA or All Star Squadron).

I'm not saying one should -- feats are feats are feats -- but it's something to consider, at least.

I think it's probably an even split, slight edge to Fate on paper. It strikes me that Fate has a number of serious advantages over Strange -- more raw power at his command, the lack of need to gesticulate or incant, and the baseline superhuman stats. But for all of that, Dr. Strange is the Macguyver of the mystic world in a lot of ways, and his high level feats speak for themselves -- calling upon the right deities, Dr. Fate could be toast. And for all the things I said about Dr. Fate, the same is true of say Loki -- who has said he's more powerful than Strange directly -- and I still probably wouldn't give Loki odds over Strange. Strange has just overcome too many high level mystical foes to ever count him out.

So yeah, maybe Fate 6/10, but anyone saying Strange 6/10 would have PLENTY of justification to say so.

Originally posted by batdude123

[QUOTE=13146664]Originally posted by Desaad [B]Right, and going even further it's particularly impressive when one considers that Kent never even had his own series. He never even had his own MINI series, really, just a few backups in some Flash comics and a little story in a First Issue Special. Everything else has been while he's been a part of teams. To put it that way, it'd be like limiting Dr. Strange to just his appearances with the Defenders (and not even ALL of his appearances with the Defenders, since he was in many more of those comics than was Fate in JSA or All Star Squadron). I'm not saying one should -- feats are feats are feats -- but it's something to consider, at least. I think it's probably an even split, slight edge to Fate on paper. It strikes me that Fate has a number of serious advantages over Strange -- more raw power at his command, the lack of need to gesticulate or incant, and the baseline superhuman stats. But for all of that, Dr. Strange is the Macguyver of

yeah, i pretty much agree with you there. about an even split.

Originally posted by Uriel005
The one ability that kinda puts him over the top is the forced channeling of his opponents on Stranges part. Fate can't beat Fate+Strange power. It's why Dr. Strange is something of an oddball character with his powers because of the corruption factor limiting his more powerful stuff that would Deus Ex just about anybody. But for a mystical being like Nabu and the Helm he could definitely channel fates own energy against him if CIS off. But negating that one ability I still edge out to Strange as CIS off he has shown more at his disposal than Fate due to simple story size. Strange has too much to pull from and can out Macguyver Fate IMO. 6/10 Strange w/out channeling 9/10 if he Channels Fate/other super high level deities.

To pull of the energy leach, Strange would have to breach every protective counter spell. Beating Kent outright will be task, Fate is able to call up every deity at once.

And yes this is Kent version of Fate I am talking about. Dr. Strange has his work cut out.

Originally posted by Uriel005
The one ability that kinda puts him over the top is the forced channeling of his opponents on Stranges part. Fate can't beat Fate+Strange power. It's why Dr. Strange is something of an oddball character with his powers because of the corruption factor limiting his more powerful stuff that would Deus Ex just about anybody. But for a mystical being like Nabu and the Helm he could definitely channel fates own energy against him if CIS off. But negating that one ability I still edge out to Strange as CIS off he has shown more at his disposal than Fate due to simple story size. Strange has too much to pull from and can out Macguyver Fate IMO. 6/10 Strange w/out channeling 9/10 if he Channels Fate/other super high level deities.

I'm not convincned he could, no. He's drained some guys, but I've posted scans of Fate doing the exact same to gods.

When the Vishanti decided to cut Strange off --- strange was cut off. He had to develop an entirely new system of magic, in fact, because he had no access to mystical powers otherwise.

hmm... then i'd have to say its how quick this fight ends. The longer it goes on the better Stranges chances of winning become as his bag of tricks is significantly larger and will eventually figure out Kent. One of the biggest problems I see for Kent is if Strange Bands of Cytorrak him. which would remove his biggest advantage for the early fight which is his physical stats.

When Fate taps into the Helm, his power is pretty much unlimited. He has a crap load of tricks, just like Strange.

But Strange has shown more over the years and some have been down right shennanigans. Fates tend to be more logical for someone like him to have while people will look at Strange and go WTF you could have done that from the very start and wiped the floor with a given opponent.

Originally posted by Uriel005
But Strange has shown more over the years and some have been down right shennanigans. Fates tend to be more logical for someone like him to have while people will look at Strange and go WTF you could have done that from the very start and wiped the floor with a given opponent.

You think tapping into the power of God himself logical?? 😕

Originally posted by Uriel005
But Strange has shown more over the years and some have been down right shennanigans. Fates tend to be more logical for someone like him to have while people will look at Strange and go WTF you could have done that from the very start and wiped the floor with a given opponent.

You can say the same about Fate. You wouldn’t expect anything less from a character wielding enough magic to alter reality on the whim, through the conscious of a God.

Though I agree that Dr. Strange tends to be more subtle with his magic.

Bump.

Who are the respective experts of Strange, and Fate here on KMC?

Originally posted by Uriel005
But Strange has shown more over the years and some have been down right shennanigans. Fates tend to be more logical for someone like him to have while people will look at Strange and go WTF you could have done that from the very start and wiped the floor with a given opponent.

Nah, they both do that.

Check out Fate's battle against the Gray Man, where that is almost exactly what goes down.

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Originally posted by Prep-Man
You think tapping into the power of God himself logical?? 😕

I'd say Dr Strange based on the fact I don't know much about Dr Fate. Does anybody know if he's powerful?

Originally posted by harri
I'd say Dr Strange based on the fact I don't know much about Dr Fate. Does anybody know if he's powerful?

Originally posted by Uriel005
I'd say PIS CIS off he'd beat PC supes with ease do to his magic weakness and would even stand up in a fist fight. Darkseid would probably crap himself at Hector or Kent.

I wouldn't go as far as the Darkseid part, but it's just amusing to me how some people (not saying you, just saying in general) will give an opinion about a topic like this, yet either state up front that they have little knowledge of one or the other characters, or by their arguements make it clear they don't know "x" very well, and yet still continue on with their flawed debates.

As indicated by the more knowledgable/reasonable posters so far in this thread, it's very clear that they are relatively equal: Strange has the edge in terms of finesse, while Fate has the edge in terms of more direct/"structured" magic, and has the physical advantage (though, unless he could viably find a way to exploit that, it's not as great an advantage as it seems on its face, in terms of the ongoing debate).

It's a general split, with arguements provided for a 6/10 advantage either way, and a few of the more knowledgable posters siding with Fate, though only very marginally, and largely due to his physical advantage.

Originally posted by tideoftime
I wouldn't go as far as the Darkseid part, but it's just amusing to me how some people (not saying you, just saying in general) will give an opinion about a topic like this, yet either state up front that they have little knowledge of one or the other characters, or by their arguements make it clear they don't know "x" very well, and yet still continue on with their flawed debates.

Originally posted by tideoftime
I wouldn't go as far as the Darkseid part, but it's just amusing to me how some people (not saying you, just saying in general) will give an opinion about a topic like this, yet either state up front that they have little knowledge of one or the other characters, or by their arguements make it clear they don't know "x" very well, and yet still continue on with their flawed debates.

As indicated by the more knowledgable/reasonable posters so far in this thread, it's very clear that they are relatively equal: Strange has the edge in terms of finesse, while Fate has the edge in terms of more direct/"structured" magic, and has the physical advantage (though, unless he could viably find a way to exploit that, it's not as great an advantage as it seems on its face, in terms of the ongoing debate).

It's a general split, with arguements provided for a 6/10 advantage either way, and a few of the more knowledgable posters siding with Fate, though only very marginally, and largely due to his physical advantage.