Chaos king vs Thanos

Originally posted by quanchi112
He only did so because he was bored and it doesn't make it worse by any means. Through one simple action his entire plans were easily unraveled. I guess the universe suffers when Thanos grows bored. 🙂

Thanos didn't engineer it he used this to his advantage showing off why he's so damned good at being Thanos. He uses anything and others to achieve his means which is better than getting your own hands dirty.

I used it correctly.

It doesn't matter how simple or complicated a plan is only how effective. I mean you're grasping at straws here and have been from the first post where you dared claim Galactus' intelligence even rivals Thanos'. It's an insult.

Thanos isn't controlled by his hunger like Galactus is he was bored and saw another character favored by Death but never fully trusted him. Galactus was foolish to ignore Hiro Kala because he's overconfident in many showings another huge character flaw of his. He was easily manipulated by a child. That's just plain sad.

Galactus has always been more powerful than Thanos until imperative but now Thanos is more powerful than Galactus imo. Intelligence has never been even close Galactus might have better tech at his disposal some of the times but even Thanos on a botched experiment showed how easy it was for him to create a being far more powerful than Galactus.

In all of the infinity's, thanos imperative, thanos' own title when he's been involved in a story with Galactus he's always been crucial in defeating the threat while Galactus is just a pawn. Even warlock treated him as a pawn and the abstracts followed him because Galactus isn't anywhere near these guys in terms of intelligence.

Nothing you said changed the circumstances, that Thanos no matter if he was bored or not, was expecting to be outsmarted and still was, even though being as intelligent as you ascribe him to be. Thanos openly admitted on panel that what Annihilus intended was never something he had anticipated. So in simple words Thanos was outsmarted.

Thanos was in the lucky position that Tenebrous and Aegis didn't just kill him on the spot like they had did to the Fallen, simply because he had been in contact with Galactus. I'm not denying that Thanos used the circumstances to his advantage, as mentioned two times now, but what you for some reason can't seem to understand is that the fact that Tenebrous and Aegis wanted revenge on Galactus was a thing that was entirely outside of Thanos control. In that way he didn't orchastrate Galactus defeat and capture, he had used the maker it would be correct to assume such, but since he didn't he merely picked up Galactus and that was it. I'm not crasping at straws here, anyone that have read the comic book knows that Galactus capture in it was a result of Tenebrous and Aegis, not Thanos plan for it.

No Thanos isn't which makes the case that Thanos was outsmarted even when he expected such sad. And as mentioned before and it can be mentioned again, Hiro accomplished what he did because Galactus crawed the Old Power, and only because of that. Your might as well make the case that the Silver Surfer could do what he did in Galactus Miniseries every time he wants to, which is a gross overlook of the circumstances, just like the Hiro case is.

So Thanos personal power went from "Lilliputian" to above Galactus? Based on what, that he can't die? There are hundreds of other ways for a being with Galactus capacity to get rid of a being so far below his personal power like Thanos. What Galactus did when he turned the stars magma into a unknown substance for Thanos, it's a show of Galactus having a higher intelligence then Thanos, because obviously Galactus was fully aware of what he was doing the entire time. He didn't just find his tech on Taa II he built it himself. Yes Thanos made a being from Galactus DNA, everything suggest that he needed that DNA in order to do anything, where as Galactus didn't need anything but motivation to make a machine from scratch that was his near equal.

Still nothing that in any way challenge Galactus intelligence in comparison to Thanos... ah well I guess we can then summize that all you have are really the making of the Thanos clone. Galactus is just a pawn? In what stories did you read exactly? In Thanos Imperative Galactus was instrumental in holding the Galactus engine back, if Galactus hadn't done that Thanos wouldn't have had a universe to save, in Infinity Watch or whatever it name is, it was Galactus that in agreement with the rest decided to option for the Infinity Gems to be used again, and the IG was at that time in their possession, Adam Warlock wasn't allowed to attend iirc. As for Hunger, if Hunger hadn't adapted to the attacks from Galactus, Thanos intervention would have been entirely irrelevant. And again show me a single reference to where any of these guys have a home that contains "knowledge as boundless as infinity" until then the only kinda intelligence you can give them a edge in, is cunning, which Galactus never uses because 1. not in his character 2. not needed to accomplish his goals.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Nothing you said changed the circumstances, that Thanos no matter if he was bored or not, was expecting to be outsmarted and still was, even though being as intelligent as you ascribe him to be. Thanos openly admitted on panel that what Annihilus intended was never something he had anticipated. So in simple words Thanos was outsmarted.

Thanos was in the lucky position that Tenebrous and Aegis didn't just kill him on the spot like they had did to the Fallen, simply because he had been in contact with Galactus. I'm not denying that Thanos used the circumstances to his advantage, as mentioned two times now, but what you for some reason can't seem to understand is that the fact that Tenebrous and Aegis wanted revenge on Galactus was a thing that was entirely outside of Thanos control. In that way he didn't orchastrate Galactus defeat and capture, he had used the maker it would be correct to assume such, but since he didn't he merely picked up Galactus and that was it. I'm not crasping at straws here, anyone that have read the comic book knows that Galactus capture in it was a result of Tenebrous and Aegis, not Thanos plan for it.

No Thanos isn't which makes the case that Thanos was outsmarted even when he expected such sad. And as mentioned before and it can be mentioned again, Hiro accomplished what he did because Galactus crawed the Old Power, and only because of that. Your might as well make the case that the Silver Surfer could do what he did in Galactus Miniseries every time he wants to, which is a gross overlook of the circumstances, just like the Hiro case is.

So Thanos personal power went from "Lilliputian" to above Galactus? Based on what, that he can't die? There are hundreds of other ways for a being with Galactus capacity to get rid of a being so far below his personal power like Thanos. What Galactus did when he turned the stars magma into a unknown substance for Thanos, it's a show of Galactus having a higher intelligence then Thanos, because obviously Galactus was fully aware of what he was doing the entire time. He didn't just find his tech on Taa II he built it himself. Yes Thanos made a being from Galactus DNA, everything suggest that he needed that DNA in order to do anything, where as Galactus didn't need anything but motivation to make a machine from scratch that was his near equal.

Still nothing that in any way challenge Galactus intelligence in comparison to Thanos... ah well I guess we can then summize that all you have are really the making of the Thanos clone. Galactus is just a pawn? In what stories did you read exactly? In Thanos Imperative Galactus was instrumental in holding the Galactus engine back, if Galactus hadn't done that Thanos wouldn't have had a universe to save, in Infinity Watch or whatever it name is, it was Galactus that in agreement with the rest decided to option for the Infinity Gems to be used again, and the IG was at that time in their possession, Adam Warlock wasn't allowed to attend iirc. As for Hunger, if Hunger hadn't adapted to the attacks from Galactus, Thanos intervention would have been entirely irrelevant. And again show me a single reference to where any of these guys have a home that contains "knowledge as boundless as infinity" until then the only kinda intelligence you can give them a edge in, is cunning, which Galactus never uses because 1. not in his character 2. not needed to accomplish his goals.

Luck, you are calling Thanos lucky ? Luck is only a word that favors the prepared so to speak. This is Thanos here not some mindless fool setting things up. I mean how many characters even have the sway or pull to ally themselves up to ann in the first place with the army he had access to because he brings something to the table. He delivered Galactus that's how easy it is to a focused Thanos. Thanos orchestrated his capture which is right in the comic. Galactus was caught off guard and easily beaten like so many times in the past.

So what if Galactus craved the old power ? That's Hiro using Galactus uncontrollable insatiable hunger to his advantage. That's Galactus' problem no one else's. Quit making up excuses for Galactus here the guy has always been controlled by his own hunger anyways so it's perfectly in character for him. I only argue with that I do see on panel and I saw a child outsmart an abstract who you claim is so intelligent.

Being unkillable and as death's avatar. I mean death destroyed an entire universe while Galactus with the aid of Celestials was busy just stalemating the Galactus Engine. His durability was also upgraded since gamora's blade broke off his skin and we have seen far less cut him.

Once again tech is one aspect of overall intelligence and using someone's dna to create a being far more powerful than the original is something only the intelligent can do. Far more impressive than what Galactus did.

We've seen Thanos know to deal with the same problems and be vital in defeating them such as the Hunger, Magus, the cnacerverse while Galactus is just a grunt. All right on panel and we've seen warlock lead Galactus and his abstracts because well he's more intelligent than Galactus as well. Galactus did the grunt work along with the Celestials in thanos imperative soldiers are usually necessary in war time situations but the intelligent soldiers are the generals. LOL.

Do I need to post a scan when the abstracts agreed to follow warlock and not Galactus to put you in your place. This shows even his own peers don't think he's as intelligent as warlock in a crisis.

Coulda, would, shoulda type arguments fail. Thanos was successful against the Hunger while Galactus was clueless. On panel fact.

Cunning is just one aspect Thanos completely outclasses Galactus. He also does so in leadership and problem solving. Thanos also has him beat him tech imo but overall intelligence it's not even close.

On the other hand, Thanos was outwitted by the Pet Avengers and foiled by the Micronauts.

This has gone on long enough. Thanos can't win w/o some sort of ultimate plot device.

Anyone have a problem with this getting closed soon, aside from Quan, Kurupt and Nihilist?

Please close it. Just read through quans last post... I'd rather go watch another bad chick flick than read that again.

Originally posted by Badabing
This has gone on long enough. Thanos can't win w/o some sort of ultimate plot device.

Anyone have a problem with this getting closed soon, aside from Quan, Kurupt and Nihilist?

And ban quan while you're at it. 😈

Originally posted by Badabing
This has gone on long enough. Thanos can't win w/o some sort of ultimate plot device.

Anyone have a problem with this getting closed soon, aside from Quan, Kurupt and Nihilist?

Don't ever recall saying Thanos wins...

Originally posted by Badabing
This has gone on long enough. Thanos can't win w/o some sort of ultimate plot device.

Anyone have a problem with this getting closed soon, aside from Quan, Kurupt and Nihilist?

After this your welcome to close Bada. There is nothing more to say.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It wasn't something Thanos knew wasn't possible and still had an easy solution to take the rug out from annihilus' plans. Thanos isn't all knowing but he does however take steps to assure like he did here to find out annihilus' true motives which were never accomplished. When Thanos jumped ship ann's plans were doomed.

Luck, you are calling Thanos lucky ? Luck is only a word that favors the prepared so to speak. This is Thanos here not some mindless fool setting things up. I mean how many characters even have the sway or pull to ally themselves up to ann in the first place with the army he had access to because he brings something to the table. He delivered Galactus that's how easy it is to a focused Thanos. Thanos orchestrated his capture which is right in the comic. Galactus was caught off guard and easily beaten like so many times in the past.

So what if Galactus craved the old power ? That's Hiro using Galactus uncontrollable insatiable hunger to his advantage. That's Galactus' problem no one else's. Quit making up excuses for Galactus here the guy has always been controlled by his own hunger anyways so it's perfectly in character for him. I only argue with that I do see on panel and I saw a child outsmart an abstract who you claim is so intelligent.

Being unkillable and as death's avatar. I mean death destroyed an entire universe while Galactus with the aid of Celestials was busy just stalemating the Galactus Engine. His durability was also upgraded since gamora's blade broke off his skin and we have seen far less cut him.

Once again tech is one aspect of overall intelligence and using someone's dna to create a being far more powerful than the original is something only the intelligent can do. Far more impressive than what Galactus did.

We've seen Thanos know to deal with the same problems and be vital in defeating them such as the Hunger, Magus, the cnacerverse while Galactus is just a grunt. All right on panel and we've seen warlock lead Galactus and his abstracts because well he's more intelligent than Galactus as well. Galactus did the grunt work along with the Celestials in thanos imperative soldiers are usually necessary in war time situations but the intelligent soldiers are the generals. LOL.

Do I need to post a scan when the abstracts agreed to follow warlock and not Galactus to put you in your place. This shows even his own peers don't think he's as intelligent as warlock in a crisis.

Coulda, would, shoulda type arguments fail. Thanos was successful against the Hunger while Galactus was clueless. On panel fact.

Cunning is just one aspect Thanos completely outclasses Galactus. He also does so in leadership and problem solving. Thanos also has him beat him tech imo but overall intelligence it's not even close.

Again does that in any ways change the fact that Thanos was tricked by Annihilus? No it doesn't, again it makes it worse since he was tricked while he anticipated it.

Yes Thanos was lucky that Tenebrous and Aegis didn't decide that killing Galactus was what they wanted, instead of merely defeating and condemning him to be used as a weapon. Because had that been the case Thanos couldn't have done anything to prevent it, it might have taken Tenebrous three blasts to down Thanos completely, but don't be so naive as to think that Thanos accomplished what he did because he manipulated Aegis and Tenebrous into serving him. To even suggest such is completely ignoring the context. Thanos was capable of delivering Galactus to Annihilus easily because Tenebrous and Aegis wanted revenge, it's that simple. The entire Annihilus wave couldn't have done anything to Galactus, Annihilation #6 showed that quite clearly. Why do you think Thanos ran after the Maker in the first place, if the ressources he had access to was enough or something to offer anyone? Sorry how many times have a caught off guard Galactus been defeated in comics? Twice iirc.

I'm not making excuses, I'm providing what you like to leave out if you can, which is the context. And the context is that if Galactus hadn't crawed the energy of the old power, Hiro wouldn't have tricked him, it's that simple. So for the third or fourth time, Galactus was tricked by Hiro because he was mad after a certain kind of energy, which made him easy to manipulate, while Thanos was tricked even though he anticipated and expected it he was still manipulated and only Moondragon made it possible for him to attain the information he needed to realize that Annihilus had basically pulled him around the stage at his nose. For a guy you puts above Galactus that is alot worse for him, because he doesn't have a outside force playing a part on his thought process.

Which is absolutely no proof at all that supports your previous notation that Thanos is more powerful then Galactus. What Death did is of no consequance to the powerlevel Thanos operates on currently. but I'm sure you'll make the case that Thanos could have taken on the Galactus Engine and won...

How is intelligence normally measured in Marvel? by what scientific and technology the various characters employ, and just as before this thread as well as after this thread, the technology that Galactus has and the knowledge he posesses is far above Thanos, thus his intelligence is above Thanos. The fact that Thanos needed Galactus DNA speaks highly for the fact that Thanos couldn't by himself make a being equal to Galactus. A feat that Galactus easily accomplished using only mechanical parts to make a being that was his equal, and granted that it's you I'm debating against, you would also make the case that Tyrant was above Galactus. So Galactus accomplished something without needing anything from the outside, something that Thanos couldn't.

Galactus is just a grunt, was that why it was Galactus that begun the search for Magus with the five cosmic cubes and it was Galactus that was instrumental in ensuring that Eternity was freed and the Infinity Gauntlet reactivated, strangely intelligent grunt... And wouldn't it be strange in Thanos own comic to see him fail miserably to stop a threat. Fact is however that had Galactus not made a stand with the Celestials against the Galactus engine Thanos wouldn't have had a universe to save, that is the fact. So now Warlock is more intelligent as well... Good luck proving it, because the fact that you follow one doesn't mean that your more intelligent, in secret war Reed and Banner Hulk was following Captain America, but I guess that you would make the case that Captain America is more intelligent then both, which logical you should in order for your logic to match up.

Oh please do, because if we are talking about the same instance Adam Warlock wasn't even allowed to attend the meeting because Galactus suspected that Eternity would when Galactus freed him seek revenge on Adam Warlock, hence he brought Gamora.

Coulda, would, shoulda type arguments fail. Galactus has successful employed and used far more advanced technology then Thanos. On panel fact.

No it's the only aspect. Galactus lead the Celestials in Thanos Imperative, and was the one assembling the Abstracts against Thanos when he had the IG, it was Galactus that collected all the heroes to heroes to oppose Magus, it was Galactus that collected Dazzler and empowered her to a degree where she could take on Terrax, it was Galactus that got rid of the Impossible Mans alternate earth that was causing a ripple through the omniverse, etc. Galactus is far better in problem solving and arguably leading (when he actually does it) then Thanos is. Difference is that Galactus doesn't normally, like it's the case with Thanos, require a group to accomplishe anything.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then prove it. You making a statement with no proof to it isn't debating.

Anything else?

Originally posted by Utrigita
After this your welcome to close Bada. There is nothing more to say.

Again does that in any ways change the fact that Thanos was tricked by Annihilus? No it doesn't, again it makes it worse since he was tricked while he anticipated it.

Yes Thanos was lucky that Tenebrous and Aegis didn't decide that killing Galactus was what they wanted, instead of merely defeating and condemning him to be used as a weapon. Because had that been the case Thanos couldn't have done anything to prevent it, it might have taken Tenebrous three blasts to down Thanos completely, but don't be so naive as to think that Thanos accomplished what he did because he manipulated Aegis and Tenebrous into serving him. To even suggest such is completely ignoring the context. Thanos was capable of delivering Galactus to Annihilus easily because Tenebrous and Aegis wanted revenge, it's that simple. The entire Annihilus wave couldn't have done anything to Galactus, Annihilation #6 showed that quite clearly. Why do you think Thanos ran after the Maker in the first place, if the ressources he had access to was enough or something to offer anyone? Sorry how many times have a caught off guard Galactus been defeated in comics? Twice iirc.

I'm not making excuses, I'm providing what you like to leave out if you can, which is the context. And the context is that if Galactus hadn't crawed the energy of the old power, Hiro wouldn't have tricked him, it's that simple. So for the third or fourth time, Galactus was tricked by Hiro because he was mad after a certain kind of energy, which made him easy to manipulate, while Thanos was tricked even though he anticipated and expected it he was still manipulated and only Moondragon made it possible for him to attain the information he needed to realize that Annihilus had basically pulled him around the stage at his nose. For a guy you puts above Galactus that is alot worse for him, because he doesn't have a outside force playing a part on his thought process.

Which is absolutely no proof at all that supports your previous notation that Thanos is more powerful then Galactus. What Death did is of no consequance to the powerlevel Thanos operates on currently. but I'm sure you'll make the case that Thanos could have taken on the Galactus Engine and won...

How is intelligence normally measured in Marvel? by what scientific and technology the various characters employ, and just as before this thread as well as after this thread, the technology that Galactus has and the knowledge he posesses is far above Thanos, thus his intelligence is above Thanos. The fact that Thanos needed Galactus DNA speaks highly for the fact that Thanos couldn't by himself make a being equal to Galactus. A feat that Galactus easily accomplished using only mechanical parts to make a being that was his equal, and granted that it's you I'm debating against, you would also make the case that Tyrant was above Galactus. So Galactus accomplished something without needing anything from the outside, something that Thanos couldn't.

Galactus is just a grunt, was that why it was Galactus that begun the search for Magus with the five cosmic cubes and it was Galactus that was instrumental in ensuring that Eternity was freed and the Infinity Gauntlet reactivated, strangely intelligent grunt... And wouldn't it be strange in Thanos own comic to see him fail miserably to stop a threat. Fact is however that had Galactus not made a stand with the Celestials against the Galactus engine Thanos wouldn't have had a universe to save, that is the fact. So now Warlock is more intelligent as well... Good luck proving it, because the fact that you follow one doesn't mean that your more intelligent, in secret war Reed and Banner Hulk was following Captain America, but I guess that you would make the case that Captain America is more intelligent then both, which logical you should in order for your logic to match up.

Oh please do, because if we are talking about the same instance Adam Warlock wasn't even allowed to attend the meeting because Galactus suspected that Eternity would when Galactus freed him seek revenge on Adam Warlock, hence he brought Gamora.

Coulda, would, shoulda type arguments fail. Galactus has successful employed and used far more advanced technology then Thanos. On panel fact.

No it's the only aspect. Galactus lead the Celestials in Thanos Imperative, and was the one assembling the Abstracts against Thanos when he had the IG, it was Galactus that collected all the heroes to heroes to oppose Magus, it was Galactus that collected Dazzler and empowered her to a degree where she could take on Terrax, it was Galactus that got rid of the Impossible Mans alternate earth that was causing a ripple through the omniverse, etc. Galactus is far better in problem solving and arguably leading (when he actually does it) then Thanos is. Difference is that Galactus doesn't normally, like it's the case with Thanos, require a group to accomplishe anything.

No, Thanos knew of their intentions and knew he wouldn't be attacked but he could easily evade them anyways had he wanted to. Manipulating others to do your will is indeed intelligence. Don't be mad at me that Thanos has others do his deeds for him.

I am glad you agree that the a-wave couldn't do anything to Galactus that's why annihilus needed thanos in the first place. Kudos again go to Thanos.

Hiro knew when he fed off the old energy that he would indeed be easily tricked. That's called intelligence and using a situation to your advantage. Galactus is naive and really does foolish things and this was another example. Hiro was smarter than Galactus here in this situation you can't ignore an event and say well if this hadn't happened Galactus would never have been tricked. This event did occur and he was tricked. 🙂

Thanos used Moondragon to attain the info whereas Galactus ignored Hiro and was manipulated quite easily. End of story. Thanos does something about it whereas Galactus just goes about his business.

Thanos was given the power of her as avatar of death. He was able to kill beings immune to death and was unkillable himself. Far more powerful than Galactus these days imo.

That's a few aspects of intelligence not overall. If you feel that tech and scientific knowledge are the only two aspects when determining intelligence then I'd giggle. Thanos' tech is greater than Galactus himself so I still say even in this area he wins out. Omega was greater than Galactus who was greater than Tyrant. LOL.

Galactus was so intelligent he didn't even know Tyrant had control over tech showing once again he's not very intelligent in critical situations.

All I hear is excuses from you in infinity war Thanos was vital to defeating Magus whereas Galactus played a role just not anywhere near as critical as Thanos'. Thanos had his own series and yes he defeated Hunger whereas Galactus was simply baffled by his existence let alone how to defeat him.

Grunts are needed in times of war and Galactus playes the grunt role well along with the Celestials but Thanos was responsible to ending this entire universe. 🙂 Poor Galactus.

Warlock is more intelligent than Galactus and when you follow someone else into battle usually this is the case hence Batman is more intelligent than Superman overall just like warlock is than Galactus.

So what if he isn't allowed to attend a meeting this even makes it worse for Galactus to have to follow him. 🙂

Omega>>>Galactus tech. Fact.

Galactus played a role like I said just not as significant as Thanos'. the guy is currently getting worked over in ck. The guy gets disrespected left and right and is known as a huge jobber and for being as powerful as he is that's even more shameful since he usually loses to beings with far less power.

Such intelligence. 🙂

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Power: Galactus
Smarts: Galactus is an abstract
Durability: Galactus
Tech: Galactus
Reflexes: Galactus
Physical strength: Galactus

Anything else?

Mod FAIL

Originally posted by Badabing
This has gone on long enough. Thanos can't win w/o some sort of ultimate plot device.

Anyone have a problem with this getting closed soon, aside from Quan, Kurupt and Nihilist?

Quan stop being extremely biased. Thanks.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
OK sorry didn't see this.

Quan stop being extremely biased. Thanks.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did I say Thanos won in this thread ?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
You said Thanos beats galactus. Like I said "Quan stop being extremely biased. Thanks."

Originally posted by quanchi112
This thread isn't about Galactus so drop it I already proved it anyways. 🙂

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No you didn't but end the discussion.

Galactus crushes Thanos into a purple smear...

And if Death refuses to take Thanos after that thrashing, then Galactus tell her to kiss his ass, then nukes Thanos to kingdom come with the Ultimate Nullifier...

💃