Riggs versus Die Hard....

I can't believe this has never been done....

Anyhoo, Martin Riggs in place of John McClane. Riggs must win the day in the following 4 scenarios. In every scenario, Riggs has the support of the same people that McClane did, and has access to the same weapons/gear that McClane did:

MISSION 1: Nakatomi Plaza. Riggs, as McClane was, is a guest at the Christmas party in Nakatomi plaza. (Riggs doesn't have a family, so in this scenario, Trish Murtaugh is in place of Holly McClane. Riggs is a guest of hers and considers her family, just as he did in the latter LW movies.) The entire Murtaugh family is being held hostage, along with the other hostages. Trish has a picture of Riggs on her desk, just like Holly did of McClane. Riggs must defeat Hans and his men, save the hostages, just like McClane did. Riggs is armed with his Beretta 92F. He is wearing a wife beater, jeans, and no shoes.

MISSION TWO: Dulles International airport. Riggs is at the airport waiting for Murtaugh and his family to land. The Colonel and his men do their thing, Riggs is in the middle of it all, just as McClane was. Riggs must save the day, just as Mac did. Riggs is armed with his Beretta, as usual.

MISSION THREE: New York City. Simon Gruber targets Riggs, just as he did McClane. Riggs is hung over, just as McClane was. He teams up with Zeus and must bring Simon down. Again, Riggs is armed with his Beretta 92F.

MISSION FOUR: The Eastern seaboard. Gabriel and his team are executing their fire sale. Riggs is assigned to escort Farrell to D.C.. Riggs must keep Farrell safe and bring down Gabriel and his team. In this scenario, Rianne Murtaugh is in place of Lucy McClane. Riggs is armed with his Beretta92F.

Riggs doesn't have to do everything that Mac did, as long as he completes the mission, that's all that matters. What does matter is that all the boss battles McClane fought in (Karl, The Colonel, Mason, Lerch, etc) Riggs must complete too.

So, does Riggs clear? If not, how far does he get? Riggs is in his prime (LW 1 and 2) for all four missions.

I reckon he clears 1,3 and 4.

I'm undecided on him pulling of the plane fight from 2.

Shit, the plane sequence he clears easily. He'd kick the shit outta the Colonel and Mason.

But Riggs would probably take the jet differently. After kicking the shit outta the Colonel and Mason, he'd probably unload his Beretta into the engine, disable the plane.

Or he'd figure another way to blow it up. Hell, knowing Riggs, the mission probably wouldn't even get that far.

True. He clears all of em then.

Probably so. Scenario one he clears easily, as he does with two. Three will be a bit of a challenge. Four is a cakewalk.

Based on LW1 h2h feats, and DH2 villain feats, Riggs fails at the plane.

Watch LW again, and see how little Riggs does H2h, and when he does it, its actually basic and slow. 🙂 No chance. 🙂

Hope he has a zippo handy. 🙂

Slow? haermm No, it's not slow. It's a helluva lot faster than McClane's slothlike haymakers.

So, the plane, Riggs is a smoker. He carries a zippo ✅

Riggs woulda disabled the plane and killed the special forces guys one by one as they tried to run. In the end, he saves millions of dollars ✅ Or just unload on the wing.

McClane's haymakers are actually fast enough hooks to beat Riggs.

Good.

Unload with what....? That challenge is unarmed. 😂

Besides, Riggs firing at vehicles that fly away from him credentials are dubious. Otherwise, Joshua would have never have made it away from killing Hunsacker.

Not if it was McClane firing, that chopper would be down.

In fact, the chopper pilot would see McClane about to take a shot and just bail out of the chopper letting it crash as a forgone conclusion that he was about to die, such is McClane's involvance with Chopper destruction.

In fact, onscreen the only chopper that escaped McDismemberment, was the one that Coleman and her camaramen had in DH2, and the policechopper in Die Hard 3 that McClane and Zeus rode in.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
McClane's haymakers are actually fast enough hooks to beat Riggs.

Unload with what....? That challenge is unarmed. 😂

Besides, Riggs firing at vehicles that fly away from him credentials are dubious. Otherwise, Joshua would have never have made it away from killing Hunsacker.

LW2, he beat a chopper with his pistol ✅

Not if it was McClane firing, that chopper would be down.

In fact, the chopper pilot would see McClane about to take a shot and just bail out of the chopper letting it crash as a forgone conclusion that he was about to die, such is McClane's involvance with Chopper destruction.

In fact, onscreen the only chopper that escaped McDismemberment, was the one that Coleman and her camaramen had in DH2, and the policechopper in Die Hard 3 that McClane and Zeus rode in.

BTW: Both these threads, you're looking at them the wrong way. You're so obsessed with McClane that it's coming outta your ears.

McClane routinely kills everyone unarmed or armed....minus Murtaugh's constant assist.

Mcclane has destroyed Choppers, Commercial Planes, Jetfighters etc.
IE well on his way to being a fleet. Stay tuned also for DH5.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
McClane routinely kills everyone unarmed or armed....minus Murtaugh's constant assist.

Mcclane has destroyed Choppers, Commercial Planes, Jetfighters etc.
IE well on his way to being a fleet. Stay tuned also for DH5.

In the scene where Riggs saves the day (you know, where he enters the room unarmed and kills half a dozen men), Murtaugh was tied up. ✅ Most of Riggs impressive feats, Murtaugh was not in the mix. Fact.

McClane has his life saved by Al, then Farrell ✅ So you might wanna shut it about that.

Riggs clears DH 1-4 in his sleep.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I can't believe this has never been done....

Anyhoo, Martin Riggs in place of John McClane. Riggs must win the day in the following 4 scenarios. In every scenario, Riggs has the support of the same people that McClane did, and has access to the same weapons/gear that McClane did:

MISSION 1: Nakatomi Plaza. Riggs, as McClane was, is a guest at the Christmas party in Nakatomi plaza. (Riggs doesn't have a family, so in this scenario, Trish Murtaugh is in place of Holly McClane. Riggs is a guest of hers and considers her family, just as he did in the latter LW movies.) The entire Murtaugh family is being held hostage, along with the other hostages. Trish has a picture of Riggs on her desk, just like Holly did of McClane. Riggs must defeat Hans and his men, save the hostages, just like McClane did. Riggs is armed with his Beretta 92F. He is wearing a wife beater, jeans, and no shoes.

Stops here, notably at the scene when he meets Hans in disguise. While Riggs is a capable cop, he's a tad slow on the uptake and doesn't have McClane's keen sense. So he gets shot by Hans, probably while his back is turned.

Murtaugh, now that cat would likely have seen right through Hans' ruse.

Originally posted by Robtard
Stops here, notably at the scene when he meets Hans in disguise. While Riggs is a capable cop, he's a tad slow on the uptake and doesn't have McClane's keen sense. So he gets shot by Hans, probably while his back is turned.

Murtaugh, now that cat would likely have seen right through Hans' ruse.

Riggs would never have given him the gun, even if he WAS Bill Clay. hell, even I could tell if was Hans' voice when he was acting as Bill Clay. McClane simply heard that too.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hardly. Riggs showed more "cop intuition" and displayed far better investigating skills, going with his gut, all that cop shit.

Riggs would never have given him the gun, even if he WAS Bill Clay. hell, even I could tell if was Hans' voice when he was acting as Bill Clay. McClane simply heard that too.

Don't be ridiculous.

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't be ridiculous.

Elaborate? Pretty thin? Anorexic? It's true man. Riggs was shown doing more "cop work" than McClane was, following leads and shit, investigating and shit. Forget about who's more badass, Riggs is a better detective.

Gotta come with something more than "Don't be ridiculous."

Murtaugh is the detective/brains, Riggs' the muscle.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
In the scene where Riggs saves the day (you know, where he enters the room unarmed and kills half a dozen men), Murtaugh was tied up. ✅ Most of Riggs impressive feats, Murtaugh was not in the mix. Fact.

McClane has his life saved by Al, then Farrell ✅ So you might wanna shut it about that.

Riggs clears DH 1-4 in his sleep.

Riggs killed only 1 of those guys unarmed though.. Mcclane has killed
So what does THAT leave your point with?

Who killed McCallister and his bodyguards..? Mmmm Thats right. Murtaugh.... Who assisted Riggs in shooting Joshua...? Mmmm. Murtaugh again.... Who came to Riggs' aid, pulling him up after the failed drive by hit? Murtaugh again. AND THATS JUST LW1.

Ummmmm nah. Im thinking that you'll be "shutting it" when its pointed out to everyone again that they didnt assist him in the bulk of the combat, especially not to the constant extent that Riggs had physical support on the battlefield from Murtaugh.

Hahahahah Yeah. He'll HAVE TO, once Karl has sparked his ass in DH1. 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
Stops here, notably at the scene when he meets Hans in disguise. While Riggs is a capable cop, he's a tad slow on the uptake and doesn't have McClane's keen sense. So he gets shot by Hans, probably while his back is turned.

Murtaugh, now that cat would likely have seen right through Hans' ruse.

Agreed. ✅

Murtaugh was always the more contemplative/savvy of the two..

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Elaborate? Pretty thin? Anorexic? It's true man. Riggs was shown doing more "cop work" than McClane was, following leads and shit, investigating and shit. Forget about who's more badass, Riggs is a better detective.

Gotta come with something more than "Don't be ridiculous."

Thats due to the nature of their more leisurely paced assignments VS the brutal, urgent has-to-be-dealt-with-now- paced situations....but when 5 mins of detecting/reasoning/deducting McClane is there on the ball mostly by himself......and still the bad guys die. 🙂
Riggs and Muratugh were traffic cops at one point.
No such namby pamby activitahhhs for the Mac.

The two usually only work the real important shit out that leads them to bad guys by bouncing off of each other's ideas.

IE: Thy're the essence of cop buddy movies.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Thats due to the nature of their more leisurely paced assignments VS the brutal, urgent has-to-be-dealt-with-now- paced situations

....but when 5 mins of detecting/reasoning/deducting McClane is there on the ball mostly by himself......and still the bad guys die. 🙂

Riggs and Muratugh were traffic cops at one point.
No such namby pamby activitahhhs for the Mac.

The two usually only work the real important shit out that leads them to bad guys by bouncing off of each other's ideas.

Karl? Riggs woulda killed him in under a minute, stealthed Hans, killed him and the other dude, rescue Trish, and have time to stop for coffee. WITHOUT wounded feet.

IE: Thy're the essence of cop buddy movies.