Riggs versus Die Hard....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Everything Mac does Riggs can do, and better. See, Mac NEEDS the luck you praise because he can't get the job done on skills alone. Riggs can, and does.

haermm What did Mac really do? Took some names and numbers in DH1, read some clothing labels, and........cigarettes.........Riggs could do these things too. If he couldn't, he wouldn't be a damn detective.

So? Mac was SUSPENDED.

And Mac is always falling ass backwards into answers. hence your "McClane factor." And no matter how you twist it, Mac ALWAYS had help, from different people. AND he had his life saved at least twice, by Al, then Farrell.

Karl? Riggs woulda killed him in under a minute, stealthed Hans, killed him and the other dude, rescue Trish, and have time to stop for coffee. WITHOUT wounded feet.

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Nah That sounds lovely and all that, but screen feats dictate otherwise.
Riggs was a slow old man who got shut down by a rookie with a basic Jab.
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As explained in my answer, he did exactly the right amount of detective work that was required to get the job done largely by himself. 🙂
He worked out Gruber's plot/plans by himself.
That ends your 'argument'. 🙂

It was the 90s. All the best LA 80s cops were suspended/then reinstated 5 mins later...it was almost a cliche.

Right, but Riggs ALWAYS had help. From the same guy. The same guy saving his ass and helping Riggs beat the bad guys....Well...Until Launa started to help with that too, of course.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nah That sounds lovely and all that, but screen feats dictate otherwise.
Riggs was a slow old man who got shut down by a rookie with a basic Jab.
😂

Riggs, in LW 1 and 2, was a wrecking machine. He took on 4-5 opponents on a regular basis and always won.

Mac always has trouble with one person.

Read the OP, obey MVF rules, stop wrecking threads.

As explained in my answer, he did exactly the right amount of detective work that was required to get the job done largely by himself. 🙂
He worked out Gruber's plot/plans by himself.
That ends your 'argument'. 🙂

He worked out shit. "Why you gonna nuke the building, Hans?" Hans had to TELL him.

Right, but Riggs ALWAYS had help. From the same guy. The same guy saving his ass and helping Riggs beat the bad guys....Well...Until Launa started to help with that too, of course.

In LW2, the S African unloaded on Riggs, he literally threw his gun away when he was outta ammo, was no longer a threat. Murtaugh rolled up after and killed him.

They BOTH had help, in ALL their movies. Riggs had it from one guy, Mac had it from different people. What's the difference?

Read the OP, So, does Riggs clear? If not, how far does he get? Riggs is in his prime (LW 1 and 2) for all four missions.

So, does Riggs clear?

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Said the biggest wrecker of threads that KMC has seen.
You are the enemy of logic, the molestor of reason, the abuser of rules.

Well, judging on LW1 feats, then Riggs is still screwed.
And if he couldn't understand how to defend against a Rookie's jab by 3, it goes without saying that he didn't know in 1 or 2.

Nah Riggs did no such thing "On a regular basis"...not anyone worth bragging about having killed, anyway...stooges...crap henchmen etc

McClane actually beat and killed more than Riggs and Murtaugh put together, so by your "Well, unarmed or not, they were all killed" point, Mac still wins.

Murtaugh saves Rigg's Life in every movie.
He shoots Joshua. (After gimping the fight with police prescence and backing)
LW2: Saves Riggs during the chase on the freeway... after Riggs is shot down and takes out the main bad guy.
LW3: Totally saves Riggs against Jack Travis in the burning estate.
Launa saves his ass for the 1st time also.
LW4: Totally saves Riggs' life against Jet Li at the end.

There are probably other instances too. I'll list them as I re-pile through the movies.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Said the biggest wrecker of threads that KMC has seen.
You are the enemy of logic, the molestor of reason, the abuser of rules.

haermm

501st/Hogwarts thread: Mine.
All jedi/Wizard threads: Mine.

Fact.

Well, judging on LW1 feats, then Riggs is still screwed.
And if he couldn't understand how to defend against a Rookie's jab by 3, it goes without saying that he didn't know in 1 or 2.

Nah Riggs did no such thing "On a regular basis"...not anyone worth bragging about having killed, anyway...stooges...crap henchmen etc

McClane actually beat and killed more than Riggs and Murtaugh put together, so by your "Well, unarmed or not, they were all killed" point, Mac still wins.

Mac has a higher body count because of the Jumbo jet. I coulda dropped a zippo in the fuel.

Murtaugh saves Rigg's Life in every movie.

He shoots Joshua. (After gimping the fight with police prescence and backing)

LW2: Saves Riggs during the chase on the freeway... after Riggs is shot down and takes out the main bad guy

LW3: Totally saves Riggs against Jack Travis in the burning estate.

Launa saves his ass for the 1st time also.

LW4: Totally saves Riggs' life against Jet Li at the end.

There are probably other instances too. I'll list them as I re-pile through the movies.

Every single bit of that post is uberfail.

What did Mac really do? Took some names and numbers in DH1, read some clothing labels, and........cigarettes.........Riggs could do these things too. If he couldn't, he wouldn't be a damn detective.

You're insane. Mac did some ****in' crazy shit in that movie. Like the elevator scene? He made that jump by his ****ing fingertips. Does Riggs have the strength for that? Becuase he'll need ALOT of it. And then he actually beat Karl after getting his feet shredded and shot in the shoulder. And then the scene where he jumped off the roof? Crazy as ****.

Mac was borderline superhuman in that movie moron. 😬

Originally posted by Nephthys
You're insane. Mac did some ****in' crazy shit in that movie. Like the elevator scene? He made that jump by his ****ing fingertips. Does Riggs have the strength for that? Becuase he'll need ALOT of it. And then he actually beat Karl after getting his feet shredded and shot in the shoulder. And then the scene where he jumped off the roof? Crazy as ****.

Mac was borderline superhuman in that movie moron. 😬

QFT

Thats fu*king Shakespeare, son....!!! ✅

Originally posted by Nephthys
You're insane. Mac did some ****in' crazy shit in that movie. Like the elevator scene? He made that jump by his ****ing fingertips. Does Riggs have the strength for that? Becuase he'll need ALOT of it. And then he actually beat Karl after getting his feet shredded and shot in the shoulder. And then the scene where he jumped off the roof? Crazy as ****.

Mac was borderline superhuman in that movie moron. 😬

This "superhuman strength", where was it when he was fighting? Remember the moment he had Karl in a headlock? Riggs woulda killed him right then and there. SNAP goes the neck. How? With superior fighting skill. Two handed neck break= Superior strength. Remember when Mac had Karl's brother at gunpoint and gave him an elbow to the head? It didn't even faze him. Riggs did the same move when he rescued Rog and it KO'd the guy the **** out.

The roof scene? Riggs wouldn't have had to jump. He would have killed Karl and the other two with only his Beretta. Proof? LW2, the raid on the Alba Varden.

Wanna talk crazy? A bayonet through the leg and six .44's to the lung and living.

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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Every single bit of that post is uberfail.

Anything else? Six .44's to the lung? Two handed neck breaking? Neck breaking with legs? Hmm? Taking on 5 men unarmed?

Hmm?

So what if he broke a couple of stooges necks...?
If he had broken Jet Li's neck I'd have been impressed. But no. That only works for Riggs on stooges. McClane has broken necks too.

Im still waiting to see that "taking on 5 men unarmed" feat.

Riggs breaks necks with his hands. Mac relies on a fall down stairs haermm

Skill? Riggs.

He breaks the neck of a pussy with his bare hards.

McClane had him in a legitimate headlock on the fall.

Then why'd Riggs not break Jet Li's Neck?

Or all the south africans....?

Or Jack Travis and his men...?

Methinks you overestimate Riggs majorly.

Riggs broke the necks of many men. At least half a dozen.

Mac didn't plan that, don't even try it.

LOL Name those times.

It doesnt matter.

In LW2 he at least broke 3, in LW1 2. 5-6, ish.

Where did these 5-6ish neck breaks occur in LW1....?
(I watched LW1 a few days ago and only saw Endo and the guy on the way out in the escape.)

And where were the ones on LW2...? (Im a couple of weeks away from my rewatch.)

Links to these, please.

Indo, then dude after that. He coulda broke Joshua's with ease.

LW2, the 2 S Africans from the dock scene.

4-5, I was one off.

Well thats one off in the wrong direction.

All wet paper bag strength stooges.

Ha. If Riggs was as good as you maintain, then Surely Riggs wouldn't have needed Roger to shoot him, and he would have closed the range immediately with his lightning speed and broken Joshua's neck the second he saw Joshua fu*king with the officer's gun.

Had Murtaugh not talked him out of it, Joshua's neck would have been broken.

Wasn't Roger telling him to "break his fu*king neck"? I thought Riggs heard that and declined. Either way, he couldn't execute it in the actual fight.