DH1: He clears, can't see much trouble in this scenario for me he might even end it while Hans is talking to Takagi, Riggs is a lot more in-your-face than McClane. He would clear the Karl fight if he went that way but he would make sure he nailed him afterwards. His accuracy is without question so he would clear the end scene, maybe not the same way but he uses distraction techniques himself so its not unlikely he'll joke around then take them out.
DH2: He clears this but with his fighting ability the bit at the end might be tricky, when he clears Major Grant and Col. Stuart he's still left with a plane full of Army guys (he won't survive going this way). What Riggs might to differently is force the chopper pilot (at gunpoint) to fly to the front of the plane so he can take out Esperanza with his gun. The plane crashes, everyone dies.
DH3: This might be tricky as Riggs might not be as fully focused on the bombs and may go straight for Simon the usual way by mowing down his men. But I think he would be smart enough to figure them out though... everything else he would complete but in a different way.
DH4: Again, I don't see a problem in the main H2Hs or action sequences but protection isn't Riggs's strong point so the computer guy might be killed unforunately... I mean eventually he keeps everyone safe in the LW movies but he is a bit lax so without the computer guy it would make it a bit more difficult to track down Gabriel.
Originally posted by Robtard
How's Riggs going to take out two gunmen in a chopper when he runs out of bullets?
Who says he runs out of bullets? No scenario has to go the same way. Riggs is a better shot therefore expends less ammo to take out his targets. I'm not sayin McClane isn't accurate but he uses a lot more covering fire while Riggs's shots are better placed.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Who says he runs out of bullets? No scenario has to go the same way. Riggs is a better shot therefore expends less ammo to take out his targets. I'm not sayin McClane isn't accurate but he uses a lot more covering fire while Riggs's shots are better placed.
Before the helicoptor scene McClane didn't go 80's action-flick and fire hundreds of round for no apparent reason.
So, what does Riggs do versus a copter with two machine-gun men; while he's trying to protect a nerd? Cos launching cars like heat-seeking missiles isn't in his repertoire.
Originally posted by Robtard
Before the helicoptor scene McClane didn't go 80's action-flick and fire hundreds of round for no apparent reason.So, what does Riggs do versus a copter with two machine-gun men; while he's trying to protect a nerd? Cos launching cars like heat-seeking missiles isn't in his repertoire.
If McClane didn't go '80s action flick' then why was he out of ammo in the first place?
If Riggs, in HIS way of approaching the scenario still had his gun and ammo I don't forsee a problem. He'd just shoot the pilot, the helicopter crashes, bad guys with machine guns die. If he didn't have his gun he could retreat into the tunnel and wait for them to come to him, then run them down in a car if they got too close. Or use the cars for cover and take them out H2H and use their own weapons against them; he's certainly done that before.
Lastly, just because Riggs hasn't done the exact trick of 'flying into a helicopter with a car' doesn't mean that he wouldn't be crazy enough to try. And the conditions in the scene are convenient enough for the possibility.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
If McClane didn't go '80s action flick' then why was he out of ammo in the first place?If Riggs, in HIS way of approaching the scenario still had his gun and ammo I don't forsee a problem. He'd just shoot the pilot, the helicopter crashes, bad guys with machine guns die. If he didn't have his gun he could retreat into the tunnel and wait for them to come to him, then run them down in a car if they got too close. Or use the cars for cover and take them out H2H and use their own weapons against them; he's certainly done that before.
Lastly, just because Riggs hasn't done the exact trick of 'flying into a helicopter with a car' doesn't mean that he wouldn't be crazy enough to try. And the conditions in the scene are convenient enough for the possibility.
I'd have to watch the beginning again to be certain, but likely because detectives don't carry 10 clips around with them.
Take aim and shoot the pilot while two machine-guns are tearing from above? Don't know. Run over two (possibly three) machine-gun men while avoiding all the bullets that would be flying into the car? Murtaugh isn't here to distract with his chicken-dance, dude.
The only reason the car flew up and out like that is because it was McClane; Riggs' doesn't have a McClane-factor.
What about the F-35 lightning?
Originally posted by Lord Shadow ZWell said.
DH1: He clears, can't see much trouble in this scenario for me he might even end it while Hans is talking to Takagi, Riggs is a lot more in-your-face than McClane. He would clear the Karl fight if he went that way but he would make sure he nailed him afterwards. His accuracy is without question so he would clear the end scene, maybe not the same way but he uses distraction techniques himself so its not unlikely he'll joke around then take them out.DH2: He clears this but with his fighting ability the bit at the end might be tricky, when he clears Major Grant and Col. Stuart he's still left with a plane full of Army guys (he won't survive going this way). What Riggs might to differently is force the chopper pilot (at gunpoint) to fly to the front of the plane so he can take out Esperanza with his gun. The plane crashes, everyone dies.
DH3: This might be tricky as Riggs might not be as fully focused on the bombs and may go straight for Simon the usual way by mowing down his men. But I think he would be smart enough to figure them out though... everything else he would complete but in a different way.
DH4: Again, I don't see a problem in the main H2Hs or action sequences but protection isn't Riggs's strong point so the computer guy might be killed unforunately... I mean eventually he keeps everyone safe in the LW movies but he is a bit lax so without the computer guy it would make it a bit more difficult to track down Gabriel.
Originally posted by Robtard
I'd have to watch the beginning again to be certain, but likely because detectives don't carry 10 clips around with them.Take aim and shoot the pilot while two machine-guns are tearing from above? Run over two (possibly three) machine-gun men while avoiding all the bullets that would be flying into the car?
The only reason the car flew up and out like that is because it was McClane; Riggs' doesn't have a McClane-factor.
What about the F-35 lightning?
Neither does Riggs carry that much (10 clips, heh) but I can't remember many scenes where he actually ran out of ammo while facing down a bigger threat.
Riggs has been under fire before and and took out machine gunners, even in LW4 when he was 'declining' he took out the chinese gunners from a large distance one-handed while they were shining a spotlight at him. The assault on his home after he'd bedded Rika (LW2) he took out multiple machine gunners (ironically coming in on helicopters, how about that?), he used the cover available while he also took their weaponry and used it on them. Running them down though, I agree would't be a wise move.
The McClane Factor? You mean standard unrealistic action movie luck-factor. 😄
The jet, McClane did nothing, a piece of debris damaged it and McClane just held on then jumped off, I watched the scene last night on TV so its fresh. Riggs has good stickability(if thats a word), in case you make the point he might fall off, how many moving vehicles has Riggs held onto? Lots.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What about the F-35 lightning? You're acting like the scene will go down exactly as it did with McClane.
There would be an F-35 Lightning trying to destroy him while he's driving a truck on the freeway.
If not, then it's not really Riggs in DH4, it's Riggs in something you made up that has some similarities to a DH film(s).
Originally posted by RobtardNo, that doesn't necessarily HAVE to happen. McClane put himself in that situation.
There would be an F-35 Lightning trying to destroy him while he's driving a truck on the freeway.If not, then it's not really Riggs in DH4, it's Riggs in something you made up that has some similarities to a DH film(s).
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Wait, you're right.Riggs then said "It aint worth it."
He could have, he showed mercy.
Well it certainly indicates that Riggs THOUGHT he could have.
But we'll never know. Joshua might have bitten Riggs nutsack off in a last desperate ploy, if he knew Riggs was gonna try for the snap-o-finish.
All we know is, that he couldnt do it mid fight, when it counted.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthWell, Riggs broke Indo's neck easy as shit. Joshua, well, Riggs had him in an even easier position to do so. Simple math.
Well it certainly indicates that Riggs THOUGHT he could have.But we'll never know. Joshua might have bitten Riggs nutsack off in a last desperate ploy, if he knew Riggs was gonna try for the snap-o-finish.
All we know is, that he couldnt do it mid fight, when it counted.
His body language did say that actually a little tired 'kick' means little.
Look at Riggs slumping into Rog's bosom, destoyed as Joshua starts to mess with the officers' holstered gun.
If he wasn't collapsing into his partners moobs from exhaustion, then what WAS he doing it for...? Murataughmoobjuice?
Yes. A few.. And I did very well indeed, cheers.
But whats clear from your assessment things Riggs wise, is that you havent.
Otherwise you would:
A) Recognise how slow Riggs/one move at a time non-combos are.
B) See how much of his stuff is just flash for the cameras, that if you tried to pull of against someone who steamed forward with combos,
hed be dead.
C) Know that anyone who can't parry even protect against or avoid even a rookie's Jab is absolutely f***ed. 🙂