Riggs versus Die Hard....

Well he is a crazy guy in rage... Crazy people in rages do crazy things that unarmed bar guy he preemptively vent that guy at the bar.

But your point stands.

A countering question. What would have happened if Joshua would have broken Rigg's neck..? Would the cops engage Joshua H2H after seeing the danger of getting into it with a guy who has shot two of their buddys and then broke/killed their best H2H guy with his bare hands, or would they just have shot Joshua...?

Anyway Joshua didn't look very 'defeated' when he was struggling with cops to successfully acquire one of their firearms to me.
He looked defeated though after he took gunshots from Murtaugh then Riggs.

Anyways.. A significantly overlooked fact:
That fight should be discounted as a H2H encounter, on the grounds that they used weapons. 🙂

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well he is a crazy guy in rage... Crazy people in rages do crazy things that unarmed bar guy he preemptively vent that guy at the bar.

But your point stands.

A countering question. What would have happened if Joshua would have broken Rigg's neck..? Would the cops engage Joshua H2H after seeing the danger of getting into it with a guy who has shot two of their buddys and then broke/killed their best H2H guy with his bare hands, or would they just have shot Joshua...?

Anyway Joshua didn't look very 'defeated' when he was struggling with cops to successfully acquire one of their firearms to me.
He looked defeated though after he took gunshots from Murtaugh then Riggs.

Anyways.. A significantly overlooked fact:
That fight should be discounted as a H2H encounter, on the grounds that they used weapons. 🙂

I believe Joshua would have been shot, but then again they could have just rushed him, him being tired/disoriented after the fight. Joshua was however 'defeated' in the context of the H2H because Joshua had no way to counter Riggs final move and was for several moments unable to get to his feet on his own, unless he was playing possum but he looked spent to me initially.

It is a H2H fight because the majority of the fight was punching/kicking /grappling, the only blemish was the introduction of the nightstick and Joshuas weapon, but that was brief and hardly impacted the fight because Riggs chose to discard it to use his fist even when he had the upper hand.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Let me put it in another way, if the fight had gone the same way up to that point and lets say they were fighting in an abandoned warehouse (no cops), Riggs would have snapped his neck upon taking him to the ground.

The point is, I know Riggs does insanely 'illegal' things but snapping a defeated mans neck on his partners lawn with cops surrounding them would be pushing credibility, even for an action movie.

If he dreams in slow-mo, with one block/move at a time, that is...

If Rigg's opponents know how to throw straight lefts and right punches Rigg's dreams become nightmares.

When has Mac ever killed two men with his bare hands, in seconds?

Never.

Moving on.

You know the tow H2H fights you keep going on about as big Riggs H2H feats...?

They're inadmissible.
Against Joshua, he employed a Police issue nightstick.

In the rescue-at-the-club-backroom, he used a body, and a gun through most of the kills.

🙂

I mean if THATs your definition of H2H the McClane killed 15 marines in a few seconds just by moving his thumb. (On a zippo flint wheel.)

That action is WAY less that the action Rigg's weap- erm I mean "Hands" got. 😖hifty:

McWin-win, with a clear and large side order of fries with asswhupped sauce.

He used a nightstick because Joshua had armed himself.

He used a gun in the club scene, because the others were all armed.

Flicking a zippo and dropping it is not a h2h combat feat.

Yes Both sides were armed.
Rendering it inadmissible as a pure H2H fight you always maintained it was.

Yes another scene you falsely claimed as a Riggs H2H win lots of times over.

Its certainly as H2H than YOUR cited examples above.

I said the scene where he actually rescues Murtaugh was h2h, then went to guns. You know the scene I mean, the one Mac cannot replicate.

Thats all one scene. And you maintained before that Riggs killed them all h2h, back in the days when you thought that Riggs doing all that then running after a car and heading of at a pass was /exceptional impressive somehow.

McClane doesnt HAVE to replicate it. He enters room with Dead torturers gun or a clubbing item (A torturer probably has many hurty things around) and pistol whips the second guy after the 1st is overpowered by the body throwing. He shoots the rest, says Yippeekiyay motherfu**er, and splits.

Credits.

I said he started h2h, then went to guns. Pay attention.

It was one sequence that started with Riggs using a dude as human shield then throwing him into another dude.. You see any breathers being stopped for?

Nah. Cause your talking complete bollocks.

He had him on his shoulders, then threw him. The shield, well, he beat the shit outta him first.

Human shields= Cool.

But if you're in an unarmed combat scenario, its a bit on the disqualifying side.... Kinda like entering an Arm wrestling competition and expecting eye gouges and nutshots to be accepted within the rules... it just doesn't gel.