Cross Genre Match #21: Frieza vs Thanos

Originally posted by iceman24567
^LOL equals wins

Stop being a cheer leader and debate.

How about I ask you the same questions I asked the thanos crowd.

What's thanos most powerful blast because again, thanos during annihilation WHILE ANGRY was shooting blast that was only leveling buildings, frieza would walk through that and pimp slap his a**.can thanos shoot blast that's more powerful than planetary because let's not forget, frieza tanked 2 blast that was far more powerful than a planetary level blast (20 times kayoken and the spirit bomb) and he also tanked (depleted of ALL his energy) a planet exploding on him.

Do you have any type of showings that proves that thanos can SEE in super speed? Do you have something that shows that he can keep up with a guy that is moving his limbs, body, etc... so fast that it appears as if he is teleporting.

Can you prove that thanos can tank punches that was sending shockwaves across namek?

You all really haven't proven a d*** thing.

Wolverine solos both thanos and frieza without using his claws.

Originally posted by Creshosk
1) What page?

2.) That's a lazy argument. Comic Book cars are not as impressive as real world cars because you don't see anybody throwing around real world cars.

It doesn't speak to the feats of the cars, but to the feats of tha man doing the throwing.

The same holds true for black holes.

2) no, its not like cars. cars are thrown in comics only by those with superstrength...if normal humans were throwing cars, you'd have a point.

but black holes in comics share no properties of black holes in real life.

It's insane that guys like superman, thanos, surfer can survive black holes...who's gravitational pull is so strong that light cannot escape...yet they bleed from getting punched by CL100ers. That shows black holes to possess nowhere near the destructive force they should.

Originally posted by -Pr-
😕

The ax is embedded in the power cosmic, it will hurt her and he can will his power to destroy planets "through his ax". Even before he received the power cosmic he was a planetary threat because he had the power to shift the very fabric of a planet under his own power... that's his ability but he can also charge his attacks and make it far greater at a higher level with his ax. He still doesn't have planetary level power, his power just allows him to shift the very fabric of it.

Originally posted by carver9
The ax is embedded in the power cosmic, it will hurt her and he can will his power to destroy planets "through his ax". Even before he received the power cosmic he was a planetary threat because he had the power to shift the very fabric of a planet under his own power... that's his ability but he can also charge his attacks and make it far greater at a higher level with his ax. He still doesn't have planetary level power, his power just allows him to shift the very fabric of it.

Oh, i know... To an extent at least. He wasn't that great before he got his upgrade.

Originally posted by carver9
Stop being a cheer leader and debate.

How about I ask you the same questions I asked the thanos crowd.

What's thanos most powerful blast because again, thanos during annihilation WHILE ANGRY was shooting blast that was only leveling buildings, frieza would walk through that and pimp slap his a**.can thanos shoot blast that's more powerful than planetary because let's not forget, frieza tanked 2 blast that was far more powerful than a planetary level blast (20 times kayoken and the spirit bomb) and he also tanked (depleted of ALL his energy) a planet exploding on him.

Do you have any type of showings that proves that thanos can SEE in super speed? Do you have something that shows that he can keep up with a guy that is moving his limbs, body, etc... so fast that it appears as if he is teleporting.

Can you prove that thanos can tank punches that was sending shockwaves across namek?

You all really haven't proven a d*** thing.

Wolverine solos both thanos and frieza without using his claws.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
He will probably bring up Freiza one shotting Krillian 😂

And Carver still has to show the DD cutting through something as hard as adamantium.

Some lame ass strawman designed to undermine the credability of a poster while at the same time utterly failing to do it's job and showing of massive amounts of ignorance instead.

Maybe you would like to inform us what exactly is funny about that notion?

Because last time I checked IF Carver made that argument (and he obviously did not) he wouldn't have been wrong. 🤨

Good lord, Frieza just got whacked with the spirit bomb and he still killed Krillin with what looked by all appearances to be some form of chi based explosive telekenesis. And yeah, Krillin was class 100..... easily..... when he was a child. 😐

Now this insistance, that Carver hasn't brought evidence to the table... that's just nonsense.

The man has been doing nothing BUT proving his case in this thread. Infact he's been the hardest working person here, and this whole time, all he's asking for in return is some half well thought out argument in Thanos' favor.

And what has he got in return? "nu-uh", or the ever popular "Thanos will win"... OR just the retreat to that strategy of flat out pretending he hasn't been giving proof in this thread to his claims so no one else has to back up their own. It's absurd.

1. Power Levels... the concept of power levels, the rules to how they work, the proof of their existence.... that's part of his proof.

2. Frieza blowing up planet Vegeta with .025% of his power... IS PROOF of his power.

3. Frieza's fluxuation of the percentage of his power levels (accurately estimated as proven against Goku's Kaioken.... a technique that worked on a basis of multiplication) IS PROOF.

4. Power stacking and the multiple times it's shown to be how the DBZ world operates.. IS PROOF....

It's all proof that leads Carver to the conclussion that he's come to in assessing that Frieza whips Thanos' ass...

The proof that Thanos can tank what Frieza would be dishing out to a degree that affords him some wins? Where's that?
Where's the proof to his combat speed being something even remotely worth worrying about compared to even kid/teen Goku? Because laying mitts on a board-less Surfer ISN'T it.

This isn't Thanos up against a speedster. It's not Thanos up against a class 100, it's not Thanos up against a super durable being.

This is him up against an amalgam of superpowers and skillsets at some of the highest levels of which typical comic characters operate. Thanos is up against a character who has a fighting speed that can be accurately assessed to be lightyears ahead of what he's capable of keeping up with, who's actually skilled in combat to a degree nearly unfathomable to the majority of the Marvel universe, who can blast out planet wrecking attacks in succession of dozens in an instant, that can tank planet wrecking assaults without a scratch, and honestly when Carver says these lists go on and on... they do.

Can Thanos bust a planet? Yeah... Can he do it with .025% of his power... because when it comes to PROOF, that's something that Carver can accurately do for Frieza. Can you say the same about Thanos? Can anyone?

Again, it all comes down to how you address DBZers, and the fact is, if you're going to ignore or throw out all the evidence that's presented to you and pretend you can estimate the strength of the DBZ verse without lending credence to power levels or how they work.... well... while you're free to do just that, you won't be taken AT ALL seriously by anyone with even a passing familiarity with the series, and that being the case.... He's been beat on by Thor in melee confrontations... kind of a lot, Thor, who couldn't keep up with Wolverine's speed..... on a premise of speed alone Frieza would annihilate using this ass-backwards lowball-logic. 🙄

So instead of laughing off arguments Carver never made, or pretending he hasn't been here fighting his fight, maybe someone would like to start addressing the Things that need to be addressed here in order to make some real argument for how Thanos can win this fight.

Let's start with speed... how the hell is he touching someone with Freiza reflexes and combat speed?

Originally posted by Starscream M
1) can't specify...but I've seen him bring up many frieza feats to back up his points. whether you find them persuasive is another issue.

2) no, its not like cars. cars are thrown in comics only by those with superstrength...if normal humans were throwing cars, you'd have a point.

but black holes in comics share no properties of black holes in real life.

It's insane that guys like superman, thanos, surfer can survive black holes...who's gravitational pull is so strong that light cannot escape...yet they bleed from getting punched by CL100ers. That shows black holes to possess nowhere near the destructive force they should.

2.)You really didn't get it did you?

Its not the object thats the issue its the characters that interact with them.

The thigns seem less impressive due to the capabilities of those interacting with them.

A person lifting a car doesn't indicate that the car is not impressive, just that the person doing the lifting is.

You can't say that a black hole in comics is weaker than a real life black hole just because you have some people that defy physics interacting with them. Just like with the cars. You have people lifting the cars without the cars being pierced through due to application of force over a focused area.

So people survicing black holes doesn't mean the black holes are weak, just as a person lifting a car doesn't mean the car is light.

It means the person doing the surviving or lifting has the power to do so.

Originally posted by iceman24567
^LOL equals wins

You meant "wins" as in funny post right? Because that's something Vegeta could do at the beginning of the series.

It's something Freiza can do without even 1% of his full power.... So unless you want to make an argument that Terrax was using 1% of his power or less........

Well............ 😬

Originally posted by iceman24567
Really your going to make a shitty post like this and tell me stop cheerleading? You still haven't showed that lightspeed combat speed you so easily could prove is legit. Moving limbs so fast it appears as if he is teleporting isn't lightspeed prove it's even half as fast. All i see you doing the entire time is posted things like "DBZ characters are moving so fast they are blurs to super human eyes" it's just making me 😆. Now stfu or actually PROVE something

Prove thanos power first. I have been the only one posting things. You all post thanos beating surfer like that was suppose to prove something. That's like me posting wolverine beating hulk so he should get a 10/10 against kalibak.

Originally posted by jinzin
You meant "wins" as in funny post right? Because that's something Vegeta could do at the beginning of the series.

It's something Freiza can do without even 1% of his full power.... So unless you want to make an argument that Terrax was using 1% of his power or less........

Well............ 😬

Lol... I didn't think about it like that.

Originally posted by carver9
Prove thanos power first. I have been the only one posting things. You all post thanos beating surfer like that was suppose to prove something. That's like me posting wolverine beating hulk so he should get a 10/10 against kalibak.

Originally posted by carver9
or are we going to base things off of "average showings", in-which every GOOD debator usually does.

Originally posted by Philosophía
My hypocrisy sense is tingling.

Originally posted by Creshosk
1.) Can you not because it doesn't really exist, or because you don't want to back your claim that he did?

2.)You really didn't get it did you?

Its not the object thats the issue its the characters that interact with them.

The thigns seem less impressive due to the capabilities of those interacting with them.

A person lifting a car doesn't indicate that the car is not impressive, just that the person doing the lifting is.

You can't say that a black hole in comics is weaker than a real life black hole just because you have some people that defy physics interacting with them. Just like with the cars. You have people lifting the cars without the cars being pierced through due to application of force over a focused area.

So people survicing black holes doesn't mean the black holes are weak, just as a person lifting a car doesn't mean the car is light.

It means the person doing the surviving or lifting has the power to do so.

I have no problem with someone surviving a black hole...ie someone like galactus...who has transcendent durability.

but if aunt may survived a black hole...would you still be impressed by the black hole? no, obviously not, because you know aunt may has normal human durability.

now, obviously that was a stretch to illustrate my point.

You take a guy like superman, who has great durability, but would still bleed if he gets punched by doomsday. so his durability has limits...limits being he can be hurt by CL100ers.

Yet he can survive a black hole...the force which would be unquantifiable...with nary a scratch? yet, color me unimpressed by comic black holes.

Originally posted by Creshosk
1.) Can you not because it doesn't really exist, or because you don't want to back your claim that he did?

2.)You really didn't get it did you?

Its not the object thats the issue its the characters that interact with them.

The thigns seem less impressive due to the capabilities of those interacting with them.

A person lifting a car doesn't indicate that the car is not impressive, just that the person doing the lifting is.

You can't say that a black hole in comics is weaker than a real life black hole just because you have some people that defy physics interacting with them. Just like with the cars. You have people lifting the cars without the cars being pierced through due to application of force over a focused area.

So people survicing black holes doesn't mean the black holes are weak, just as a person lifting a car doesn't mean the car is light.

It means the person doing the surviving or lifting has the power to do so.

And this leads back to my question since we all know that thanos has been hurt by far less.

Can thanos beat gladiator, a being that tanked a solar system destroying blast point blank range?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Really your going to make a shitty post like this and tell me stop cheerleading? You still haven't showed that lightspeed combat speed you so easily could prove is legit. Moving limbs so fast it appears as if he is teleporting isn't lightspeed prove it's even half as fast. All i see you doing the entire time is posted things like "DBZ characters are moving so fast they are blurs to super human eyes" it's just making me 😆. Now stfu or actually PROVE something

It's not just being a blur to superhuman eyes... it's being a blur, or outright dissapearing infront of someone with the ability to process speed on a level between ultimate quicksilver and flash.

And that continuously being compounded throughout the series by different characters over and over again at higher and higher levels...

He really shouldn't need to prover FTL fighting speed, all he needs to prove is that DBZers fight casually at speeds far exceeding anything Thanos has ever had to deal with.. and he can do that... easily... without even going outside of the first series in Dragonball. 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
I hate posts like these....

Some lame ass strawman designed to undermine the credability of a poster while at the same time utterly failing to do it's job and showing of massive amounts of ignorance instead.

Maybe you would like to inform us what exactly is funny about that notion?

Because last time I checked IF Carver made that argument (and he obviously did not) he wouldn't have been wrong. 🤨

Good lord, Frieza just got whacked with the spirit bomb and he still killed Krillin with what looked by all appearances to be some form of chi based explosive telekenesis. And yeah, Krillin was class 100..... easily..... when he was a child. 😐

Now this insistance, that Carver hasn't brought evidence to the table... that's just nonsense.

The man has been doing nothing BUT proving his case in this thread. Infact he's been the hardest working person here, and this whole time, all he's asking for in return is some half well thought out argument in Thanos' favor.

And what has he got in return? "nu-uh", or the ever popular "Thanos will win"... OR just the retreat to that strategy of flat out pretending he hasn't been giving proof in this thread to his claims so no one else has to back up their own. It's absurd.

1. Power Levels... the concept of power levels, the rules to how they work, the proof of their existence.... that's part of his proof.

2. Frieza blowing up planet Vegeta with .025% of his power... IS PROOF of his power.

3. Frieza's fluxuation of the percentage of his power levels (accurately estimated as proven against Goku's Kaioken.... a technique that worked on a basis of multiplication) IS PROOF.

4. Power stacking and the multiple times it's shown to be how the DBZ world operates.. IS PROOF....

It's all proof that leads Carver to the conclussion that he's come to in assessing that Frieza whips Thanos' ass...

The proof that Thanos can tank what Frieza would be dishing out to a degree that affords him some wins? Where's that?
Where's the proof to his combat speed being something even remotely worth worrying about compared to even kid/teen Goku? Because laying mitts on a board-less Surfer ISN'T it.

This isn't Thanos up against a speedster. It's not Thanos up against a class 100, it's not Thanos up against a super durable being.

This is him up against an amalgam of superpowers and skillsets at some of the highest levels of which typical comic characters operate. Thanos is up against a character who has a fighting speed that can be accurately assessed to be lightyears ahead of what he's capable of keeping up with, who's actually skilled in combat to a degree nearly unfathomable to the majority of the Marvel universe, who can blast out planet wrecking attacks in succession of dozens in an instant, that can tank planet wrecking assaults without a scratch, and honestly when Carver says these lists go on and on... they do.

Can Thanos bust a planet? Yeah... Can he do it with .025% of his power... because when it comes to PROOF, that's something that Carver can accurately do for Frieza. Can you say the same about Thanos? Can anyone?

Again, it all comes down to how you address DBZers, and the fact is, if you're going to ignore or throw out all the evidence that's presented to you and pretend you can estimate the strength of the DBZ verse without lending credence to power levels or how they work.... well... while you're free to do just that, you won't be taken AT ALL seriously by anyone with even a passing familiarity with the series, and that being the case.... He's been beat on by Thor in melee confrontations... kind of a lot, Thor, who couldn't keep up with Wolverine's speed..... on a premise of speed alone Frieza would annihilate using this ass-backwards lowball-logic. 🙄

So instead of laughing off arguments Carver never made, or pretending he hasn't been here fighting his fight, maybe someone would like to start addressing the Things that need to be addressed here in order to make some real argument for how Thanos can win this fight.

Let's start with speed... how the hell is he touching someone with Freiza reflexes and combat speed?

For example. The farmer with the shotgun had a power level as 5. Final form freeza had a power level of 50,000,000. In other words if the power levels were addative, then 10,000,000 people would be equivilent to final form freeza. there are 307,006,550 people in the US.

If power levels were addative then the United States is 30 times more powerful than final form freeza. Does that sound right to you?

And the speed feats are also not really quantifiable. Out side of mistranslations and trash talk that was later proven wrong those are also unquantified. Wolverine has done the "moving so fast the humans can't seem them". So that's not really that high a feat.

Plus the DBZ movement and flight speeds are actually rather poor. seeing as how long it takes them to fly anywhere.

Originally posted by jinzin
You meant "wins" as in funny post right? Because that's something Vegeta could do at the beginning of the series.

It's something Freiza can do without even 1% of his full power.... So unless you want to make an argument that Terrax was using 1% of his power or less........

Well............ 😬

Originally posted by carver9
more red herring bullshit

Originally posted by Philosophía
My hypocrisy sense is tingling.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Funny coming from carver right the king of low balling 😬