Cross Genre Match #21: Frieza vs Thanos

Originally posted by Creshosk
Power levels are not quantifiable and therefore do NOT serve as proof.

For example. The farmer with the shotgun had a power level as 5. Final form freeza had a power level of 50,000,000. In other words if the power levels were addative, then 10,000,000 people would be equivilent to final form freeza. there are 307,006,550 people in the US.

If power levels were addative then the United States is 30 times more powerful than final form freeza. Does that sound right to you?

And the speed feats are also not really quantifiable. Out side of mistranslations and trash talk that was later proven wrong those are also unquantified. Wolverine has done the "moving so fast the humans can't seem them". So that's not really that high a feat.

Plus the DBZ movement and flight speeds are actually rather poor. seeing as how long it takes them to fly anywhere.

the power levels exist...for the sole reason of quantifying who is more powerful.

Originally posted by Creshosk
1.) Can you not because it doesn't really exist, or because you don't want to back your claim that he did?

2.)You really didn't get it did you?

Its not the object thats the issue its the characters that interact with them.

The thigns seem less impressive due to the capabilities of those interacting with them.

A person lifting a car doesn't indicate that the car is not impressive, just that the person doing the lifting is.

You can't say that a black hole in comics is weaker than a real life black hole just because you have some people that defy physics interacting with them. Just like with the cars. You have people lifting the cars without the cars being pierced through due to application of force over a focused area.

So people survicing black holes doesn't mean the black holes are weak, just as a person lifting a car doesn't mean the car is light.

It means the person doing the surviving or lifting has the power to do so.

I think what makes him upset is the fact that Superman's much more typically shown getting hurt by class 100 punches from characters who can dishout the capacity to damage nowhere remotely near that of a black hole...

he kinda took a roundabout way to argue for PIS I think, he just didn't realize it.. But yeah I thought that his reasoning was circular too when he brought it up.

Originally posted by jinzin
It's not just being a blur to superhuman eyes... it's being a blur, or outright dissapearing infront of someone with the ability to process speed on a level between ultimate quicksilver and flash.

And that continuously being compounded throughout the series by different characters over and over again at higher and higher levels...

He really shouldn't need to prover FTL fighting speed, all he needs to prove is that DBZers fight casually at speeds far exceeding anything Thanos has ever had to deal with.. and he can do that... easily... without even going outside of the first series in Dragonball. 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
It's not just being a blur to superhuman eyes... it's being a blur, or outright dissapearing infront of someone with the ability to process speed on a level between ultimate quicksilver and flash.

And that continuously being compounded throughout the series by different characters over and over again at higher and higher levels...

He really shouldn't need to prover FTL fighting speed, all he needs to prove is that DBZers fight casually at speeds far exceeding anything Thanos has ever had to deal with.. and he can do that... easily... without even going outside of the first series in Dragonball. 😐

They're super fast because they're super fast! You're basically using your argument as evidence.

I'm well aware of the krillian vs roshi BS fight back in dragon ball. I don't buy that they did all the things they said they did.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Power levels are not quantifiable and therefore do NOT serve as proof.

For example. The farmer with the shotgun had a power level as 5. Final form freeza had a power level of 50,000,000. In other words if the power levels were addative, then 10,000,000 people would be equivilent to final form freeza. there are 307,006,550 people in the US.

If power levels were addative then the United States is 30 times more powerful than final form freeza. Does that sound right to you?

And the speed feats are also not really quantifiable. Out side of mistranslations and trash talk that was later proven wrong those are also unquantified. Wolverine has done the "moving so fast the humans can't seem them". So that's not really that high a feat.

Plus the DBZ movement and flight speeds are actually rather poor. seeing as how long it takes them to fly anywhere.

Your post sucks and by the way... combat speed doesn't equal flight speed. Just asked magneto who has flown at the speed of light along with ironman.

Originally posted by iceman24567
YOu still haven't proven Frieza is a lightspeed character though 😐

Originally posted by carver9
I can easily prove that...give me a couple of hours, at work.

Originally posted by iceman24567
^ No you can't or you would have done so already 😐

Originally posted by carver9
Your post sucks and by the way... combat speed doesn't equal flight speed. Just asked magneto who has flown at the speed of light along with ironman.

Originally posted by carver9
Colossus can take a punch by superman

Originally posted by carver9
Wolvernioe can beat thanos and freeza without using his claws

Originally posted by Creshosk
Power levels are not quantifiable and therefore do NOT serve as proof.

For example. The farmer with the shotgun had a power level as 5. Final form freeza had a power level of 50,000,000. In other words if the power levels were addative, then 10,000,000 people would be equivilent to final form freeza. there are 307,006,550 people in the US.

If power levels were addative then the United States is 30 times more powerful than final form freeza. Does that sound right to you?

And the speed feats are also not really quantifiable. Out side of mistranslations and trash talk that was later proven wrong those are also unquantified. Wolverine has done the "moving so fast the humans can't seem them". So that's not really that high a feat.

Plus the DBZ movement and flight speeds are actually rather poor. seeing as how long it takes them to fly anywhere.

You're argument falls apart the moment one recognizes the fact that that most people in DBZ people can not manipulate their own chi and thus have no control over using it offensively.
(Frieza's top power level wasn't 50,000,000 btw)

And yeah, that sounds about right, if everyone was able to lend their chi to an attack like say.. a spirit bomb, it might take out an enemy many times more powerful than frieza..... like say..... oh I dunno Buu.

PL ARE quantifiable measures by the Dragon Ball standard.

Yeah DBZ flight speed is typically poor. Due to plot line nonsense. Their fighting speed and reactive speed is not though. You should be able to recognize the difference.

By the way... It's good to see you.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Isn't that circular reasoning?

They're super fast because they're super fast! You're basically using your argument as evidence.

I'm well aware of the krillian vs roshi BS fight back in dragon ball. I don't buy that they did all the things they said they did.

Why don't you believe it happened? Because you don't like it?

They are super fast because of their power levels. The more powerful you are, the faster you are.

Colossus could take a punch from a holding back Superman.

A full strength one would punch straight through him. Seriously.

Originally posted by carver9
The more powerful you are, the faster you are.

In DBZ, every time a character became more powerful, he became much much faster.

The only exception was the 'ultra saiyan' stage.

It is difficult to tell and inconsistent though. A character with a power level of 5 doesn't mean they're "half" of a person with a level of 10. Realistically some people will be stronger than others and will still fall into the "5" range if they aren't ludicrously above human.

Both sides have provided an argument and evidence, but DBZ is a mess to argue with comics for the previously stated reasons.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It is difficult to tell and inconsistent though. A character with a power level of 5 doesn't mean they're "half" of a person with a level of 10. Realistically some people will be stronger than others and will still fall into the "5" range if they aren't ludicrously above human.

Both sides have provided an argument and evidence, but DBZ is a mess to argue with comics for the previously stated reasons.

That's exactly what it means...

What in DBZ disproves this notion? 😕

Originally posted by Creshosk
Isn't that circular reasoning?

They're super fast because they're super fast! You're basically using your argument as evidence.

I'm well aware of the krillian vs roshi BS fight back in dragon ball. I don't buy that they did all the things they said they did.

So.... Like I said, it comes down to if you give credence to the storytelling devices DBZ uses, or opt to ignore it for your own bias interpretations...

You can argue both ways but only one of them really matters to anyone legitimately trying to make an argument that isn't hung up on devil's advocacy... *shrug*

Why is all the scrutiny and skepticism applied against DBZ yet none of the same questioning is applied to the comic side?

I smell a double standard

Originally posted by jinzin
That's exactly what it means...

What in DBZ disproves this notion? 😕

The reason I said what I said is because within "standard humans" some people are naturally stronger, faster, etc, than others. It didn't bring a person's power level up to insane levels because of that. (From what I've seen.)

Does anybody have examples otherwise? I'll be happy to look them up and post them for the world.

"Double standard".... Yep... That's pretty much exactly why. 😬

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It is difficult to tell and inconsistent though. A character with a power level of 5 doesn't mean they're "half" of a person with a level of 10. Realistically some people will be stronger than others and will still fall into the "5" range if they aren't ludicrously above human.

Both sides have provided an argument and evidence, but DBZ is a mess to argue with comics for the previously stated reasons.

Roshi was only about 28 times more powerful than an average farmer (powerlevel of 139 to the farmer's 5) yet he destroyed the moon.

Originally posted by jinzin
You're argument falls apart the moment one recognizes the fact that that most people in DBZ people can not manipulate their own chi and thus have no control over using it offensively.
(Frieza's top power level wasn't 50,000,000 btw)

And yeah, that sounds about right, if everyone was able to lend their chi to an attack like say.. a spirit bomb, it might take out an enemy many times more powerful than frieza..... like say..... oh I dunno Buu.

PL ARE quantifiable measures by the Dragon Ball standard.

Originally posted by jinzin
[B]Yeah DBZ flight speed is typically poor. Due to plot line nonsense. Their fighting speed and reactive speed is not though. You should be able to recognize the difference.

Originally posted by jinzin
By the way... It's good to see you.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Correct.

Roshi was only about 28 times more powerful than an average farmer (powerlevel of 139 to the farmer's 5) yet he destroyed the moon.

This argument is awesome, kudos.