Originally posted by jinzinA quasi series like a crossver between characters so they can fight? Like Freeza vs Thanos?
Sure, they don't exist at a bare mimimum level but you can apply the abilities retrospectively.They ARE quantifiable because someone with feats at a power level of ten can be multiplied to be twice as powerful by a level of 20... Ignore it if you like, but you're not making a strong argument against DBZ at that point, you're arguing against some quasi series that doesn't exist outside of your own head. 😕
Okay if they are so quantifiable what is Thanos's power level?
Originally posted by jinzinI was using that as an example of how numbers attatched don't always translate.
[B]DBZ is not an RPG.
But you're still wrong. http://dreager1.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/1259073249_dragon20ball20z_20the20legacy20of20goku.jpg 😛
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterthe power levels DON'T stack
Nobody is arguing that so much as they're arguing the power levels don't just stack in the exact manner as suggested.
ie. a person with power level 10 isn't double a person of power level 5
in DBZ, the power levels increase EXPONENTIALLY
so in all likelihood, a person with power level of 10 is MUCH MORE than double the power of a level 5 person
Originally posted by CreshoskFile not found.
A quasi series like a crossver between characters so they can fight? Like Freeza vs Thanos?Okay if they are so quantifiable what is Thanos's power level?
I was using that as an example of how numbers attatched don't always translate.
But you're still wrong. http://dreager1.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/1259073249_dragon20ball20z_20the20legacy20of20goku.jpg 😛
Originally posted by Starscream MBased off of what though? We've given several reasons why that doesn't translate.
the power levels DON'T stackie. a person with power level 10 isn't double a person of power level 5
in DBZ, the power levels increase EXPONENTIALLY
so in all likelihood, a person with power level of 10 is MUCH MORE than double the power of a level 5 person
Originally posted by Creshosk
Like how Superman is hurt by people with less damage output than a black hole, yet was able to survive and escape a double black hole and hold a micro black hole in his hands?Which one is plot and which one is ability?
Not really like that at all actually.
DBZ characters only have speed issues in combat with faster/more power people.
They're not seen fighting at a super speester level in one instance and then getting T'd off on by street thugs in a majority of others... a hypothetical much more analogous with your example.
Originally posted by Starscream MI didn't say it was useless in DBZ, I said it was useless when comparing to a character that doesn't HAVE a power level.
its not useless in DBZ because in DBZ power levels correlate to overall levels of strength, speed, durability AND energy output. As you increase in power levels, ALL of those attributes increase.Jubilee would prob not be much higher than Batman on power level scale (if there were one) simply because Batman is more skilled, more durable, stronger, and faster...whereas jubilee has advantage only in energy output.
Now, a guy like spiderman would be on higher powerlevel than batman because spiderman is stronger, faster, and more durable. And spiderman would beat batman in a fight barring PIS.
Jubilee still has a higher power level due to energy output. Durability at base outside of euqipment is the same as both are made of human flesh. Batman is more agile and faster, but Jubilee isn't a slouch in those departments. so its not as catastrophic a difference if it were batman vs normal civilian.
But Jubilee's higher power level does NOT mean she wins.
Because power levels more than likely don't factor in any mental attributes. As Babidi, being as mentally gifted as he was in comparison to buu, wouldn't have been a blip on the scouter compared to Buu.
Originally posted by jinzinEXACTLY
They're not seen fighting at a super speester level in one instance and then getting T'd off on by street thugs in a majority of others... a hypothetical much more analogous with your example.
DBZ is so much more consistent in this respect
if someone is higher powered...they don't suffer from PIS. Cell is never gonna even acknowledge guys like Roshi or krillin. He's too far beyond them.
In comics, you have superman being FTL one second and then getting chumped by batman the next. Such inconsistency simply doesn't exist in DBZ.
Originally posted by Starscream M
EXACTLYDBZ is so much more consistent in this respect
if someone is higher powered...they don't suffer from PIS. Cell is never gonna even acknowledge guys like Roshi or krillin. He's too far beyond them.
In comics, you have superman being FTL one second and then getting chumped by batman the next. Such inconsistency simply doesn't exist in DBZ.
when was the last time superman got chumped by batman?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I have no problem with a character of a much higher power level being more powerful, it just doesn't calculate to a perfect amount in the manner you suggested. Several posters listed examples of what I mean. Which is why a normal man who might be much more athletic is still a 5 (as long as it isn't a over the top case), compared to an average woman who is a 5.Like I said, maybe it is just me and the other posters. But do you have a part where this is explained? I'd be happy to see it.
If it fails to do what I suggested.. it fails in an opposite way than the one people are trying to use in this thread.
Also, we don't necessarily know that everyone's a 5 across the board.
Originally posted by jinzinI never said otherwise. On the contrary, the fact that the powerlevels don't reflect a linear increase in capabilities, but an exponentially bigger one, suggests that those with powerlevels in the milions are, well, ridiculously overpowered.
If anything this argument actually makes things worse for Thanos supporters as if it suggests or proves anything it's that being at a 10 doesn't make you as WEAK as only twice the overall stats as someone of a 5. 😬
I wasn't helping the Thanos side with that part. *cue to evil laugh*
Originally posted by Starscream M
I don't know...but it has happened. In DBZ, it would simply NEVER happen. You would never have one instance of Buu, or Cell or anybody being punked by someone of a much lower power level.
you're talking about inconsistencies that generally don't exist any longer. the only real ones happen at the higher levels of power when faced with other beings of power, and even then it's rare.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterSorry, that was the box for the RPG DBZ:Legacy of Goku.
File not found. Based off of what though? We've given several reasons why that doesn't translate.
Originally posted by jinzinSo we're going to stick to the manga where things are more consitant and you don't have Goku in a super sayan level being hurt by a thrown rock?
Not really like that at all actually.DBZ characters only have speed issues in combat with faster/more power people.
They're not seen fighting at a super speester level in one instance and then getting T'd off on by street thugs in a majority of others... a hypothetical much more analogous with your example.
Didn't you say that the slow flying speed was plot device?
Originally posted by Philosophíathis is very onpoint.
On the contrary, the fact that the powerlevels don't reflect a linear increase in capabilities, but an exponentially bigger one, suggests that those with powerlevels in the milions are, well, ridiculously overpowered.
this is also why creshock's summation of all ppl in US overpowering frieza was not a valid example.
that assumed a linear power progression when it is actually a logarithmic one (to what degree, I dont know).
Originally posted by Creshosk
A quasi series like a crossver between characters so they can fight? Like Freeza vs Thanos?Okay if they are so quantifiable what is Thanos's power level?
I was using that as an example of how numbers attatched don't always translate.
But you're still wrong. http://dreager1.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/1259073249_dragon20ball20z_20the20legacy20of20goku.jpg 😛
No not like that at all... considering your example references characters that ALREADY exist. 😬
Can't quantify Thanos' PL as there is no base to compare him to/from etc. Also me being unable to quantify Thano's powerlevel based off abilities is NOT the same as me BEING able to estimate or quantify abilities based off of Power Levels.
Originally posted by -Pr-maybe not the superman-batman ones
you're talking about inconsistencies that generally don't exist any longer. the only real ones happen at the higher levels of power when faced with other beings of power, and even then it's rare.
but superman still doesn't show a speed advantage in alot of fights with guys whose speed nowhere comes close to his.
in a dbz fight, a guy more powerful will be so fast a weaker guy simply will never land a hit. its much more consistent in that respect.
