Cross Genre Match #21: Frieza vs Thanos

Started by Black bolt z85 pages

Originally posted by carver9
Vegeta shot a blast that was stated as being able to destroy the planet, goku deflected that blast with kayoken times 10.

The kayoken amps goku ability 10 times stronger than what it was. Goku kayoken times 10 was strong enough to shed earth... goku when landing on namek became 1000s of times more powerful and then he used the kayoken *20 during the time he shot the kameha blast at him. It exploded right in front of frieza face, frieza TANKED it. Remember, the kayoken times 10 had enough power to destroy earth since it overpower vegeta earth destroying blast.

Stop bringing up black holes when far less has hurt surfer like thanos fist and ironman blast and thor hammer.

Yes. This does not mean the blast could destroy earth 10 times 😂

No that means that his blast was slightly stronger then a planet destroying blast. You can not like it but its still there.

And thanos has tanked hits from PG thor who was physically one shotting planetoids with no trouble. And I know they get downplayed but whether you like the black hole feats or not they are still there.

Like I said thanos stomps.

carver's argument is cliffhanging on the notion that vegeta could have destroyed the planet with his attack back then, this is a statement from the god of hubris, but lets not take that into account

Originally posted by Creshosk
The problem is that you haven't proven that the villians in DBZ are honest and not Arrogant braggarts.
this is not an issue limited to dbz

Originally posted by carver9
You are the one that is trolling, nitpicking sentences out of a 300 story anime lol to ry to prove a point.
Tha'ts not trolling that's establishing a pattern of behavior.

Saying that I'm calling the author a liar, because some of the characters he wrote are liars is trolling.

Originally posted by carver9
Now again, what is thanos most destructive force of power he has shot from his hands because he sure as hell isn't touching him with his fist?
Still an unsupported claim.

Originally posted by Starscream M
this is not an issue limited to dbz
This is true. But a lot of comic villians have feats to back this up. Cell just has statements.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The problem is that you haven't proven that the villians in DBZ are honest and not Arrogant braggarts.

And if you can't understand the difference between the author and his characters then you have a problem telling the difference between fantasy and reeality and should seek psychiatric help.

Your style of debate is very weird... kind of like when you were saying " a human can rip another human arm off". Talk to me when you get off of the imaginary wheel and debate about cartoon characters lying. Provide me some feats.

Originally posted by Starscream M
this is not an issue limited to dbz
Thanks for adding absolutly nothing to the conversation, champ. 🙂👆

Originally posted by carver9
Superman: I can stop konvikt

Gets one shotted


Well, he didn't actually say that. He said "All right Konvikt--show me!" 131

Originally posted by Creshosk
Thanks for adding absolutly nothing to the conversation, champ. 🙂👆
well, your line of reasoning wasn't exactly leading anywhere.

also, I find your one-sided questioning quite biased.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
This is true. But a lot of comic villians have feats to back this up. Cell just has statements.

Do you think thanos can destroy a planet the size of earth, if so, prove it?

Do you think thanos can destroy a city with a blast? If so, prove it?

Do you think thanos can lift a house or something bigger, if so, prove it?

Do you think thanos can see at super speed? If so, prove it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You're still dodging.

What is Thanos's power level?

And yet you can't do the reverse? Makes me think the numbers aren't in your favor then.

How much less? Based on what Freeza said?

Freeza became a liar when Cell came about. Who became a liar when Buu came about.

Actions speak louder than words. Because so many of the words from the vilians lips was so much hogwash.

What is Thanos's power level?

You can figure out B based on A, so what is A based on B?

I'm not really dodging though.
It's just that the answer doesn't add anything necessary to the thread. I don't need to answer that question to forward my original points, so the answer isn't a pillar to my argument. It's a tangent from the original notion of DBZ power levels being a quantifiable measure of power in the DBZ-verse.

By all acounts it looks like you're trying to invalidate the quantifiable measure of a DBZers power purely based on the fact that you can't accurately convert his power to a definite power level...

You're taking A and insisting it's = to B.... And it isn't.

What you're asking me to do is impossible and it's comparable to this:
Example 1: A large man with a known weight of 182 lbs is given 2 large 45lb plates to carry...
We can accurately assess what the man's weight with those plates would be to a fairly certain degree.
Then there's example 2:
A man of the same relative size and shape is given two large unmarked plates. We can guess what his weight might be to a certain degree based off of what we've already seen in the past but we can't say it with any degree of certainty....

Example 1 is not then of unquantifiable measure just because example 2 is left up to speculation.... and that's exactly what your suggestion dictates.

How much less did Frieza decimate Vegeta with? Likely multitudes less... At most Frieza destroyed Vegeta using .025% of his power... If you factor into the equation he didn't power up to do it, or that Vegeta could decimate a planet using something around more than 30X less than Frieza's first form max... well....

But... at the end of the day I can only give you probabilities on the matter. What we do know with certainty is that he did use less than 1%, so at the VERY least, he could do 100% more collateral damage if that was his goal.....

Yes, this is going by Frieza's descriptions of his own power... something that IMO he proved accurately assessing his power and correcting it accordingly with Goku's Kioken.

How exactly did he become a liar with the introduction of Cell?

😕

And if I was to give you some assessment of Thanos' probable power level based on what he's done..... Well it's not good.

As I pointed out A and B are not the same thing in this case, you're argument is flawed.

Originally posted by carver9
That little example that you tried to use happens in comics every month but that doesn't take away from a characters ability.

But do you know what it does take away from a character?

Mostly, the infallibility that everyone seems to place on them. It takes away a character's credibility when they say they can do something. It establishes that, when a character says something, they can be wrong.

Superman failed to do someting he said he would? Yes, he was wrong. Thanos lost the guantlet? He was wrong. Wolverine can't cut something? He was wrong, too. Now, when all of these characters have been wrong, why do you insist that Cell, this one time, is right? Especially when he fails just like all the others. Why do you insist that Freiza is right despite being wrong before repeatedly? Just because other comic characters are wrong doesn't make Freiza or Cell automatically right.

You are right when you say it doesn't take away from a character's ability. But when that character has been wrong before, we do not simply trust that they have an ability that they say they do.

Originally posted by Starscream M
well, your line of reasoning wasn't exactly leading anywhere.

also, I find your one-sided questioning quite biased.

It sure is. Go to his superman respect thread, you will see there how much he hats dbz. Go to the first page... all of the proof is there.

Everyone, take a look.

Originally posted by carver9
red herring gibberish,
I see you've still got nothing to prove that the villians were not arrogant braggarts, and t5hus still have nothing to prove your claims so are still using circular reasoning. and therefore your arguments are still logically invalid.

Originally posted by carver9
Your style of debate is very weird... kind of like when you were saying " a human can rip another human arm off". Talk to me when you get off of the imaginary wheel and debate about cartoon characters lying. Provide me some feats.
I agree with this. I don't like Cresh's debating style. That doesn't make his statements any less true or valid.
Originally posted by carver9
Do you think thanos can destroy a planet the size of earth, if so, prove it?

Do you think thanos can destroy a city with a blast? If so, prove it?

Do you think thanos can lift a house or something bigger, if so, prove it?

Do you think thanos can see at super speed? If so, prove it.

Yes. He and Drax physically destroyed a planet while wrestling on it IIRC.And Thanos was fine while Drax was KO. And i'm pretty sure that was weaker pre-death thanos.

Yes. Based on the fact he can destroy a planet.

Yes. Based on the fact he can destroy a planet.

Yes. Based on the fact that he stopped the fallen one who was supposedly moving at light speed.

Now can Freiza react to mindrape?

Edit: Yeah that was pre-death thanos and it was a planet. Good job PG.

1st appearance

Originally posted by Starscream M
well, your line of reasoning wasn't exactly leading anywhere.

also, I find your one-sided questioning quite biased.

one sided questioning?

Perhaps its because I've not made any claims?

Why should I prove what Thanos wcan do when I haven't made any claims as to his abilities.

I'm trying to establish a comparable baseline.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, you sir are a.....guy who is in disagreement with me. uhuh

Yeah. DBZ threads always end up like this when against people with similar feats. They always draw a crowd so people will keep making them though. It's like an exgirlfriend you take back knowing it won't work out.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Comic book physics do suck sometimes I'll admit that. Like the Characters weigh what they can lift thing.

Two Cl100 Bricks slug each other. They dont' move.

"Hey, I just hit you with a cl100 punch!"
"Yeah, well I braced against the ground so I wouldn't slide back!"
"But it was an upward hit to the solar plexus. how'd you stay on the ground?"
"uh.... It's a comic book?"
"What a copout..."


😂

yyyyyyyeah.

Originally posted by carver9
It sure is. Go to his superman respect thread, you will see there how much he hats dbz. Go to the first page... all of the proof is there.

Everyone, take a look.

Thanks for proving my point.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah. And there are people out there that say I hate DBZ, even though I know so much about it and speak highly of it.

Simply because I don't swallow their unsupported contradicted by canon arguments.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Thanks for proving my point.
👆

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