Cross Genre Match #21: Frieza vs Thanos

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The tail bite thing was pretty funny. Pointless but funny.

Goku can physically hurt Frieza anyway. Doing so with a bite, which is more likely to draw blood than a punch anyway, isn't far-fetched at all really.

I know, I just chose it because it was funny. My point is that Goku hurting Frieza when an exploding planet does not is exactly the same as class 100s hurting Thanos when a black hole does not.

You can either accept both or ignore both, but you can't ignore only one.

Your entire argument doesn't make sense since goku entire body along with his inside was impacted by this gravity.

Kc supermans was DROPPED by starman who increased the gravity around him a hundred folds but we know and knew how strong he was.

Kc superman also built a device to aid him in walking on a planet with 10 times earth gravity.

I don't care about Superman. All we've proven here is that writers don't know how gravity works.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yep. in general, japanese animation seems to be much better in incorporating physics into fights...not perfect, but better.

Anime has its own laws of physics.

Here's some examples:

4. Hair and clothes are indestructible. After a long intense battle, the shirt is either missing completely or loses a sleeve .(ex. Dragon Ball Z)
1. Girls' clothing is much easier to rip than a guy's, and when ripped will rip everywhere except the most convenient (or inconvenient) spots. It is possible that girl's bra and panties are made with same material that men's pants are, as the clothes always cover a girl's explicit areas no matter how badly damaged they are (this rule applies in an opposite manner when watching hentai, in which bras and panties are often simply not worn, or capable of being removed/destroyed by so much as a gentle breeze).
5.In correlation with the previous law, if a character's clothes are either ripped off or explode due to the muscle mass of said character, the person who performed it will instantly gain incredible speed and power. (ex. Dragonball Z)

16.Hair has a unique property, where it becomes translucent when placed in front of the eyes or eyebrows. This is due to a special chemical, which is less prominent in more timid or emotional characters, it also can determine the characters mood; if the character becomes enraged, their hair will slowly start to rise. this will tell you exactly how pissed off they are.

19.Hair-care products do not exist. The chemicals in products we use are already present in anime-dimension hair, allowing the cast to sculpt their hair in bizarre ways and then remain that way for several years without having to wash their hair.

29.Though any form of attack can be subject to blowing up a planet, engaging in close combat cancels this effect out and only large craters will be formed. (ex. Dragonball Z)

51.The killing blow will always spray more blood than the human body contains.

Here are some more:
http://www.abcb.com/laws/index.htm

Originally posted by Creshosk
You're still dodging.

What is Thanos's power level?

And yet you can't do the reverse? Makes me think the numbers aren't in your favor then.

How much less? Based on what Freeza said?

Freeza became a liar when Cell came about. Who became a liar when Buu came about.

Actions speak louder than words. Because so many of the words from the vilians lips was so much hogwash.

What is Thanos's power level?

You can figure out B based on A, so what is A based on B?

We can't determine thanos power level since his power is cosmic.

Originally posted by The Scenario
I know, I just chose it because it was funny. My point is that Goku hurting Frieza when an exploding planet does not is exactly the same as class 100s hurting Thanos when a black hole does not.

You can either accept both or ignore both, but you can't ignore only one.

I don't care about Superman. All we've proven here is that writers don't know how gravity works.

I agee, comic book science sucks. A swing of hulks arm sould outright level a city. Superman surviving a sun going nova, gladiator surviving a solar system destroying blast but getting hurt by thor.

You can't use real world physics for a comic.

Originally posted by carver9
We can't determine thanos power level since his power is cosmic.

Originally posted by carver9
I agee, comic book science sucks. A swing of hulks arm sould outright level a city. Superman surviving a sun going nova, gladiator surviving a solar system destroying blast but getting hurt by thor.

You can't use real world physics for a comic.

Well, at least its not as bad as that one guy who said that that would happen just from hulk flexing a muscle. But still... His arm would only disperse so much air.

Sonic booms do not break glass, they tested that on mythbusters.

I remember someone arguing Hulk should make you explode by punching your toe.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I remember someone arguing Hulk should make you explode by punching your toe.

Was that a serious argument or was that in my Spider-Man vs Firelord thread where we had fanboy version of famous characters.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So if it can't be quantified, what's the point of beinging it up since its only useful for comparing to other power levels?

How the hell would hulk moving his arm that fast level a city?

Well, at least its not as bad as that one guy who said that that would happen just from hulk flexing a muscle. But still... His arm would only disperse so much air.

Sonic booms do not break glass, they tested that on mythbusters.

That's why we base things off of showings, what they are capable of. What we do know is that the weakest of dbz characters (roshi and krillin) have nano seconds feats and goku AND frieza is many times more faster than them by the frieza saga.

What we also know is that frieza using less than 1% of his power leveled a planet that was many times bigger than earth and he did it with one finger.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Was that a serious argument or was that in my Spider-Man vs Firelord thread where we had fanboy version of famous characters.

Originally posted by carver9
That's why we base things off of showings, what they are capable of.

You know, low balling a character in an attempt to discredit a higher showing.

Originally posted by carver9
What we do know is that the weakest of dbz characters (roshi and krillin) have nano seconds feats

Originally posted by carver9
and goku AND frieza is many times more faster than them by the frieza saga.

Originally posted by carver9
What we also know is that frieza using less than 1% of his power leveled a planet that was many times bigger than earth and he did it with one finger.

Freeza's a liar.

When Freeza said he was the fastest in the Universe, he was more than likely speaking the truth. He was faster than anyone he or the Dragon Ball characters had encountered thus far is what we should take from it.

Future character's being introduced that are superior to him doesn't mean we shouldn't count proclamations about his power level intended by the writer to give us an idea about how impressive Freeza is.

That's asinine.

That being said, I have no idea whether it was Freeza who uttered the statement about 1% etc. Just commenting on the line of thinking you're using. At least, where this line of thinking will most likely lead to.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Unless we don't like them then we ignore them by pointing out things like Goku struggling with 40 tons, or struggling to push a mountain apart or Goku being hurt by a rock, or Goku hurting freeza with a bite.

You know, low balling a character in an attempt to discredit a higher showing.

That was done for humor, much like the tail bite.

How much faster? 1.5? 2? 4? etc?

how did you get that it was many times bigger than the earth, and how much less? Based on who saying it? Freeza who said he was the fastest in the universe.. and then the androids showed up faster than the characters that were faster than freeza, then more androids showed up that were faster than them, then another android shows up thats even faster... and that's just Cell, not even into Buu.

Freeza's a liar.

Goku feats surpass the 40 ton feat and goku was on a training ground of one of the most powerful kis in the universe. We have seen ki planets having tremendous gravity, there is nothing suggesting that this planet gravity wasn't any different since other ki planet shared this same ability.

Then you are failing again, you are lowballing instead of going by CONSISTENT showings. That like me saying, well since spiderman and gamora could do damage, krillin could outright one punch thanos... since, well, krillin is far more powerful than spidey AND gamora. You could get goku at his lowest INCLUDING the low showings and going by thanos low showings (getting subdued by some police officers and getting towed to jail) chazoo can destroy him. That's why we use CONSIsTENT showings and you should know this by the years you have been here.

Consistent showings, what do you have for thanos power output wise?

Lol at your arguments about CARTOON characters lying lol.

Ani.e doesn't have that luxury that u.s. comics have... they don't have a narriator. The character themselves are the narriator. When cell said "this blast is about to level the solar system"... cell didn't magically come out of the paper that akira was writing and grabbed the pen and wrote that himself... akira did that, he put those words on that paper to let us know what that blast capabilities were.

Like when vegeta and goku was fighting and akira NOT VEGETA, wrote on that paper "this blast will level the planet", vegeta didn't grab the pen out of akira hands and wrote this, Akira wrote this and gave us yet another descrption of what type of power that blast held.

You are nitpicking and strawmanning and you have a bad habit of doing this.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When Freeza said he was the fastest in the Universe, he was more than likely speaking the truth. He was faster than anyone he or the Dragon Ball characters had encountered thus far is what we should take from it.

Future character's being introduced that are superior to him doesn't mean we shouldn't count proclamations about his power level intended by the writer to give us an idea about how impressive Freeza is.

That's asinine.

That being said, I have no idea whether it was Freeza who uttered the statement about 1% etc. Just commenting on the line of thinking you're using. At least, where this line of thinking will most likely lead to.

It was frieza that stated this, anime doesn't have narriators.

Then right after that he states that he is about to use 50% of his power.

Wasn't there a long charging scene before Freiza destroyed planet Vegeta?

I don't quite remember.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When Freeza said he was the fastest in the Universe, he was more than likely speaking the truth. He was faster than anyone he or the Dragon Ball characters had encountered thus far is what we should take from it.

Freeza, like every other dbz villian was full of it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Future character's being introduced that are superior to him doesn't mean we shouldn't count proclamations about his power level intended by the writer to give us an idea about how impressive Freeza is.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[B]That's asinine.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That being said, I have no idea whether it was Freeza who uttered the statement about 1% etc. Just commenting on the line of thinking you're using. At least, where this line of thinking will most likely lead to.

Originally posted by carver9
It was frieza that stated this, anime doesn't have narriators.

Then right after that he states that he is about to use 50% of his power.

Originally posted by jinzin
I never argued that they were about to beat him. Just that his typical class 100 fights have him get hurt/effected to some degree thus a black hole should REALLY REALLY phuck him up.

I wouldn't say him getting effected in class 100 fights is any LESS consistent than him avoiding harm in a black hole would you? 😕

i didn't know that by class 100 you meant anything above class 100 rather than anything around it.

so no, a black hole really shouldn't if said class 100's include doomsday, darkseid, bizarro etc.

Originally posted by Creshosk
What was intended does not change what happened.

Freeza, like every other dbz villian was full of it.

Yes, he was supposed to be outside of dbz was the intention, until he was forced to add new characters. But in the dbz-verse he was wrong as the other characters retroactively existed all along.

Thems the breaks, retcons mean that it was actually always like that in universe.

We have no way to tell if freeza was telling the truth or trash talking, given that the villians in dbz tend to be full of it its more than likely freeza was full of it. The narrator was voiced by Kyle Hebert.

They weren't full of it and agan, the manga had no narriators, the characters themselves were and everything that was said in the story was wrote by akira, not frieza or cell. Just because someone thinks they are or were unstoppable doesn't mean that a character could come along far stronger. Cell and frieza WAS the strongest AND invincible during the time until someone "with a higher powerlevel" surfaced whjich again, takes us back to powerlevel and dbz. I don't understand why you are ignoring this.

Why don't we have proof when frieza himself said this? The only way to make frieza statement none legit is by showing something that suggest that he was lying when he said that he used 1% of his power. Do you have anything going against this? I guess frieza also lied when he screamed out to goku "how did you dodged my blaaaaast" or when frieza was powering up and reached 100%... did he lie then?

Frieza never lied about his power, he just faced someone that trumped it. Cell never lied about his power (which is what akira wrote) , he just had someone that surpassed him.

What is that you don't understand?

Originally posted by carver9
They weren't full of it

Unbeatable means cannot be beaten. So if they can be beaten then they are not unbeatable. Since they were beaten then all claims that they werenn't were lies.

I'm sure even a third grader could understand that. My cousins 5 year old understands that bad guys lie.

But you don't seem to understand that. Pity.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So they were telling the truth about being undefeatable? Well if that were true why were they defeated?

Unbeatable means cannot be beaten. So if they can be beaten then they are not unbeatable. Since they were beaten then all claims that they werenn't were lies.

I'm sure even a third grader could understand that. My cousins 5 year old understands that bad guys lie.

But you don't seem to understand that. Pity.

Lol... you knwo thanos said these exact same words right? That's not a demonstartion toward their power... I don't get your argument.