Originally posted by psycho gundam
isn't that the same thing that half of the forum regards you synonymously for?
Of coarse and I am not the only one that shares this. Of coarse people would think that I am low balling characters that they like if I am giving reasons on why a character would win. All of this started in the hulk vs superman thread, I gave reasons on why hulk could beat superman and people screamed out speed blitz... I presented fights where he has fought similar people like the hulk and they tagged him, people said that I was lowballing.
Its just how it is but all of this resides on our opinions, nothing more, nothing less.
Originally posted by Philosophía
That doesn't seem to be the case.Here, read it again:That was the extent of the analogy - to prove that you taking a subset (cyclops, sentry) that is invalid, and saying that the entire set (all the statements) are invalid, so no individual statement counts, is absurd. You're unnecesarilly going further into the anology to hide from my initial point - the fact that some fruits can be proven to not grow on trees is irrelevant, since by then we are dwelling into the actual argumentation of the validity of individual elements- what we are talking about is your gross, illogical and laughable generalization.
You're putting words into my mouth though.
Originally posted by carver9
Of coarse and I am not the only one that shares this. Of coarse people would think that I am low balling characters that they like if I am giving reasons on why a character would win. All of this started in the hulk vs superman thread, I gave reasons on why hulk could beat superman and people screamed out speed blitz... I presented fights where he has fought similar people like the hulk and they tagged him, people said that I was lowballing.Its just how it is but all of this resides on our opinions, nothing more, nothing less.
There's a difference between lowballing and having an opinion.
Even the example you just used is lowballing.
Originally posted by Starscream MBeating the shit out of Surfer is a good start.
and what exactly has been shown concretely about thano's speed?
Surfer has already shown to be faster than light speed movement.
And I don't buy that a person who can fly at C annd not crash into anything can't react fast enough to avoid being hit by something moving at C toward them.
Now then, do you have anything to add?
Originally posted by Creshosk
No, you've shown nothing. and everybody has been stating things.
you mean like this...
Originally posted by iceman24567
Better question is how doesn't he win 😐. Frieza = one trick pony Thanos = a skyfather level power house with tech that would put all of DBZ to shame. A simple mind blast followed by a two piece combo should do the trick.
gee, let's see how convincing that is if I switch around names...including the poster
Originally posted by Carver
Better question is how doesn't he win 😐. Thanos = one trick pony Frieza = a skyfather level power house with ki that would put all of Marvel to shame. A simple planetary blast followed by a two piece combo should do the trick.
Originally posted by Creshosknot much else. I've already said I think Frieza would prob lose against thanos due to thanos higher durability. That doesn't mean I will just sit around while the comic side just applies a complete double standard of scrutiny against DBZ side...basically Carver. I appreciate fairness.Now then, do you have anything to add?
Originally posted by -Pr-And saying that Colossus could tank a punch from superman is definetly in the lowballing superman realm. I doubt that carver meant a punch from superman holding back.
There's a difference between lowballing and having an opinion.
Because naturally if a character holds back the other person can take the reduced hit because if they're holding back they probably don't want to hurt the other person to begin with.
Originally posted by Starscream MExcept that its already been stated by carver that Thanos took a planetary blast when Carver was claiming that Freeza took three.
you mean like this...gee, let's see how convincing that is if I switch around names...including the poster
So its inherently false. While its true that Freeza has shown 0 TP resistence. Telepathy doesn't come up much in the DBZ verse. you have West Kai and Goku, but not much else in that realm.
Originally posted by Starscream MSo do I. If I see a statement I don't agree with I address it. If I have no opinion one way or the other on a statment I ignore it.
not much else. I've already said I think Frieza would prob lose against thanos due to thanos higher durability. That doesn't mean I will just sit around while the comic side just applies a complete double standard of scrutiny against DBZ side...basically Carver. I appreciate fairness.
I'm more familiar with DBZ than I am with Thanos honestly. And so many of the DBZ statements I don't agree with. You can't use what a DBZ villian says as evidence as they are not a credible source.
Which Carver then takes to mean I'm saying that Akira Toriyama wasn't a credible source due to him having written it. Forggeting the fact that writers can create characters that are arrogant braggarts that are wrong about their claims, like vegeta and his CONSTANTLY being beaten by Goku. Even when Vegeta apparently won when he was Majin Vegeta, Goku was still holding back by not going to SSj3 which would have reduced his time one Earth.
It comes off as desperation which indicates that there IS no more evidence (there isn't).
Originally posted by Creshosk
where in the scan does it say he's the fastest "flier"? Where does it make the distinction between combat speed and flight speed?
Or are you saying that what they said was wrong (It was, because other beings existed at the time that were not introduced yet).Therefore if what he said was wrong why should we listen to him slightly instead of not at all?
He flew and flew faster than any dbz character I have ever seen fly. His reflexes failed in comparison to ginyu so put 2 and 2 together.
Kind of like wonder woman and supes. Supers raw speed (flight) is much faster than her but it was stated on panel that her reflexes is much faster.
Do you not know the difference between reflexes and flight speed?
Originally posted by Starscream MNo of course not and I'm not choosing sides who's faster just that he hits Surfer isn't proof for anything. Gamora owned him in a sparring match he even said he wasn't able to lay a hand on her so Gamora > Speed of light?
yes...but that doesn't mean they're the same speed...or even close.
And this is not lowballing, going by that almost everyone is faster than light.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Beating the shit out of Surfer is a good start.Surfer has already shown to be faster than light speed movement.
And I don't buy that a person who can fly at C annd not crash into anything can't react fast enough to avoid being hit by something moving at C toward them.
Now then, do you have anything to add?
Lol... wolverine is light speed since he has tagged gladiator.
Hulk is a light speedster as well.
This post fails.
Originally posted by carver9
He flew and flew faster than any dbz character I have ever seen fly. His reflexes failed in comparison to ginyu so put 2 and 2 together.Kind of like wonder woman and supes. Supers raw speed (flight) is much faster than her but it was stated on panel that her reflexes is much faster.
Do you not know the difference between reflexes and flight speed?
stated on panel by one writer, and contradicted by years of feats.