Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I stopped at Triss. Legend of Luke is a good book. So you were reading the books at around second grade or so?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying wrong means I am disagreeing with you yet you think this means I agree with you. Interesting thoughts here, rage.
I was joking Quan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong. When the got the gesture from arishem they easily destroyed and killed him.http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_300-28.jpg
I’m wrong? Where exactly am I wrong? You posted a scan that in no way refutes what I said.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Now here read this as it makes it plain as day.http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_300-33-1.jpg
[B]Arishem arises from the rubble--A leviathan beyond conflict. The fall was utterly inconsequential to the supreme Celestial. Not even worth the effort to prevent.
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Once again, you posted a scan that in no way refutes what I said.
My claim was: 1) The Celestial’s replied with a swift and merciless attack.
2) They had no problem slaying beings.
3) According to Thor, they wanted him dead.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestials2.jpg
1) “…. reply is swift and mercilessly effective.”
2) You’ve already proven the second point.
3) “I’ll not die Celestial, though it be thy fondest wish!”
You might have had a point that it takes an order from Arishem for the Celestials to execute someone, but unfortunately Thor did in fact face one of the hosts previously:
“No, not to touch but to make helpless, or failing that, to destroy.”
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsCelestialBlast1.jpg
Clearly destroying an individual is well within a Celestial's right to do so. And Gammenon was one of the nicer Celestials at the time, who liked to protect and preserve more than anything:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsCelestialBlast2.jpg
Conclusion: You have no argument. It doesn't matter that they waited for a confirmation from Arishem to destroy Odin. If they wanted Thor dead, they could kill him.
Thor was fine by the way:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsCelestialBlast5.jpg
Originally posted by quanchi112
You see it is plain as day they only destroyed Odin when he gave the gesture. Everything else was inconsequential to these Celestials making it plain as day when they want you dead you die. Thor simply bought himself the time needed for Gaea to save him. Nothing more.
More pointless and inconsequential text.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he is a lot more durable than Thor is. It's even more of a gap today why look here as Thor is easily beaten down in one page.
😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3086_12.jpgNow let's look at how easily Surfer takes Bilk's hammer shot then apologizes while he beats the piss out of him while holding back and while rational. Thor was irrational against bill and when he took shots from bill was owned.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/brbgh_02_006.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/brbgh_02_009.jpg
So let me try and understand your line of thinking: Because Surfer who withstood two hits from Bill got up earlier than a Thor who withstood double the number of hits, Norrin has proven that his harder to put down? And that’s ignoring the fact that Bill just struck Thor on the back of the head moments ago with a double handed attack:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer2fight7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer2fight8.jpg
My response: You need a better argument.
If Bill had stopped at two hits like he had with Surfer, I have no doubt in my mind Thor would have fared just as well as Norrin did at least. We already know that a single hit from Bill won’t slow Thor down. Doubt two will do anything more than knock him off his feet at best. In fact, Thor has taken three consecutive hits from Bill and gotten right back up. Albeit Bill was holding back more than he was with Surfer.
And I want to make it clear that just because I think Thor’s harder to put down, I do not think his harder to hurt. It’d be harder to make Surfer bleed simply by his very nature.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Pictures don't lie, Rage.Now let's take a look at Thor's durability again only more recently.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Siege01pg23.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Siege01pg24.jpg
And what exactly am I supposed to be looking at? That isn’t a low showing. You’re attempts at clearly low balling Thor are amusing. Especially since I can easily low ball Surfer.
But I won’t, because unlike you, my position isn’t so flimsy that I need to depend on gimmicks.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Now maybe this kind of stuff impresses you whereas I feel the Surfer could just bat another eyelash and rape these fools. Durability we've seen far less cut Thor on average even prior to upgraded Surfer but since his change the gap is just huge.
If you say so. If you were in my position, you’d probably point out that Sentry apparently can stalemate Galactus, so his clearly above Surfer who alone wasn’t enough to defeat Thor without tapping into the Void and was casually smacked away.
mhmm
Maybe I’ll start debating like you do. It's fun and doesn't require a lot of intelligence. It'd be a step down for me but whatever.
Cut? What the hell does piercing durability have to do with anything?
Originally posted by quanchi112
The godblast is far different than what Surfer did he isn't channeling his own power he is channeling something far greater.
They’re both channeling energy far greater than they can manifest on a regular basis. Like I said, if you're going to try and use that scene as some awesome feat of durability, then I'll gladly use every time Thor utilizes the God Blast as a feat of durability. At the very least, the Exitar God Blast where Thor was in point blank range of the explosion.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor also gases when he godblasts but his blasts have never ever destroyed anyone near Galactus level they only managed once to scare away a weakened Gaalctus once not outright kill two like the Surfer managed to.
Thor gases? What?
Nah, Thor’s God Blasted has never killed two Galactus level beings –neither did Surfer mind you- but he has provided at least ¼ of the power used to hold the Multiverse from collapsing which I’d wager is a much greater feat than failing to kill two Galactus level beings. Using a foreign power source.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't take away their feats it does take away from their significance. The Celestials can let Thor and his crazy old man swing on them all day so to speak it makes no difference. That's the point, rage.
So it has no real relevance in this discussion then.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor with his best godblast would rock and imo defeat Odin. Taking a few hammer blows isn't the same thing as a godblast that can destroy his own hammer. Odin has been defeated by far less power than the exitar godblast. Odin is more powerful and would defeat Thor but he'd go down quickly if he let Thor use his best on him.
Fair enough. Of course I think Thor’s best God Blast would defeat Galactus and the like. Like what? And please don’t say ants because we have no idea how that happened as far as I recall.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Nice edit I see comparing irl stats to be boring and irrelevant. It's all hearsay and a chance for most to escape the debate. Anyways I have no trouble with women and it's lol when someone tries to act cooler on a comic site than someone else.
You’re going to have to remind me what I edited because I have no idea. Oh, I remember now. I just didn’t want to come off as an *ss is all. Calling someone dense is one thing but there’s no reason to be rude. I agree with you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Laugh all you want. Mar-vell oneshotted Magus and showed how above the Surfer he is who survived destroying Galactus level beings. Odin doesn't compete to these characters, maybe he will come back more powerful.
Cool, and?
For the last time: That scene has no relevance as to Surfer's capability under his own power. He only directed/channeled the Crunch energies for a brief moment and it would have killed him. Stop using it as a feat that places him above Odin. It doesn't. It's not even a feat above high herald level.
I'm not gonna delude myself Quan. There's a 99% chance that you're going to reply with more gibberish and/or bullshit to this post, and to my last one. Maybe I'll reply, maybe I won't. Either way, get to it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI beg to differ. I don't mean to imply that he can manipulate the crunch in a forum setting I mean to say how impressed I was with his durability with surviving something even Galactus marveled at.
Cool, and?For the last time: That scene has no relevance as to Surfer's capability under his own power. He only directed/channeled the Crunch energies for a brief moment and it would have killed him. Stop using it as a feat that places him above Odin. It doesn't. It's not even a feat above high herald level.
I'm not gonna delude myself Quan. There's a 99% chance that you're going to reply with more gibberish and/or bullshit to this post, and to my last one. Maybe I'll reply, maybe I won't. Either way, get to it.
I disagree and Odin despite a huge amp and prep time couldn't defeat the Celestials yet Surfer did this to two beings who brought down galactus.
Mar-vell treating him like nothing when he's outright dominated Bill on panel while holding back is very impressive.
You can disagree all you want.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I beg to differ. I don't mean to imply that he can manipulate the crunch in a forum setting I mean to say how impressed I was with his durability with surviving something even Galactus marveled at.
I'm tired of debating that scene with you.
What do you think that scene proves about Surfer's durability?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree and Odin despite a huge amp and prep time couldn't defeat the Celestials yet Surfer did this to two beings who brought down galactus.
More pointless bullshit that doesn't refute anything. I think you just like having a large word count in your posts.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Mar-vell treating him like nothing when he's outright dominated Bill on panel while holding back is very impressive.You can disagree all you want.
So nothing that even places him on Odin's level.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHe can survive channeling power to defeat two Galactus level beings which should in all rights kill him immediately.
I'm tired of debating that scene with you.What do you think that scene proves about Surfer's durability?
More pointless bullshit that doesn't refute anything. I think you just like having a large word count in your posts.
So nothing that even places him on Odin's level.
No, it isn't pointless it's comparing how Odin matches up with characters far above him. Surfer killed two without much prep if any whereas Odin created a specific armor set and amped himself big time and completely failed yet you try and downplay the Surfer here. Not going to allow that.
Well above it. Pay attention.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He can survive channeling power to defeat two Galactus level beings which should in all rights kill him immediately.No, it isn't pointless it's comparing how Odin matches up with characters far above him. Surfer killed two without much prep if any whereas Odin created a specific armor set and amped himself big time and completely failed yet you try and downplay the Surfer here. Not going to allow that.
Well above it. Pay attention.
Again: What do you think that scene proves about Surfer's durability?
I'm downplaying? 😂 GTFO.
Surfer beating the two Primordial Gods, and Odin failing to beat the host, doesn't prove anything about how they compare to each other outside the fact that Surfer was more lucky.
I am. You haven't proven anything.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI've already explained this multiple times as it showed what his body can handle with power that can kill two Galactus level beings.
Again: What do you think that scene proves about Surfer's durability?I'm downplaying? 😂 GTFO.
Surfer beating the two Primordial Gods, and Odin failing to beat the host, doesn't prove anything about how they compare to each other outside the fact that Surfer was more lucky.
I am. You haven't proven anything.
Surfer wasn't lucky he was intelligent whereas Odin was simply stupid with far more prep.
You haven't even proven Odin is more powerful than current Surfer let alone Mar-vell level.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I've already explained this multiple times as it showed what his body can handle with power that can kill two Galactus level beings.
Hold on.
Are you saying that the scene is evidence that Surfer can withstand the same amount of power that can kill two Galactus level beings?
That's why you think it's evidence his above Odin? facepalm
Originally posted by quanchi112
Surfer wasn't lucky he was intelligent whereas Odin was simply stupid with far more prep.
I agree Odin's head on attack was stupid (He had a second plan with Gaea however) but Surfer was indeed lucky that the fight took place near the Crunch and that the two didn't give enough shit to finish him off.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You haven't even proven Odin is more powerful than current Surfer let alone Mar-vell level.
Odin can bust Galaxies. Is that sufficient proof?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNo, I am saying he can withstand channeling the power to do so.
Hold on.Are you saying that the scene is evidence that Surfer can withstand the same amount of power that can kill two Galactus level beings?
That's why you think it's evidence his above Odin? facepalm
I agree Odin's head on attack was stupid (He had a second plan with Gaea however) but Surfer was indeed lucky that the fight took place near the Crunch and that the two didn't give enough shit to finish him off.
Odin can bust Galaxies. Is that sufficient proof?
Luck only favors those who are prepared. Surfer's 'feat is undeniable.
That isn't proof enough imo. This is just collateral damage which if we use this logic then Gladiator is more powerful than many characters he isn't just because he has collateral damage feats.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I am saying he can withstand channeling the power to do so.Luck only favors those who are prepared. Surfer's 'feat is undeniable.
That isn't proof enough imo. This is just collateral damage which if we use this logic then Gladiator is more powerful than many characters he isn't just because he has collateral damage feats.
Then once again I must ask: What do you think that scene proves about Surfer's durability?
You keep saying that he channeled the crunch energies over and over again. So what? It's meaningless to mention unless you think it proves something which clearly it does in your mind.
.....Surfer was prepared? What? I'm not denying the feat.
Galaxies being destroyed as an after effect of battle is more impressive than anything Marvell did.
Gladiator's best collateral damage feat is destroying a planet. Plenty of characters have done as much.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThat his body can withstand this amount of powerful energy. Tremendous feat.
Then once again I must ask: What do you think that scene proves about Surfer's durability?You keep saying that he channeled the crunch energies over and over again. So what? It's meaningless to mention unless you think it proves something which clearly it does in your mind.
.....Surfer was prepared? What? I'm not denying the feat.
Galaxies being destroyed as an after effect of battle is more impressive than anything Marvell did.
Gladiator's best collateral damage feat is destroying a planet. Plenty of characters have done as much.
His improved durability the classic Surfer imo would have died instantly.
Surfer was prepared in the short time he had to defeat them which further shows Odin's incompetence with far greater time in comparison to the Surfer with little to no time.
I disagree.
Mar-vell didn't have the collateral damage feats but the guy was well beyond the upgraded Surfer who by feats and comparisons imo can take Odin on by himself.
Not really. How many characters have really done it purely by force on panel ?
