Originally posted by 753Destroying 3 solar systems whilst nearly dead? could Odin do that in that state?
There were no circumstances weakening G, in fact the story makes a big deal about how strong T&A were, not how weak he was and they didn't give him some hassle or move him along to another world, they beat his ass down hard.What on panel feats fom G demonstrate he is above Odin? Is this a serious question?
Originally posted by Nihilist
Destroying 3 solar systems whilst nearly dead? could Odin do that in that state?
how 'nearly dead' was he? we've seen him so weak the avengers could take him down, so clearly he wasn't THAT weak. in contrast, we've seen surtur before he had twilight, (and who is weaker than odin) effortlessly destroy an entire galaxy. galaxies are just a little bit bigger than solar systems.
this has been brought up before--everyone assumes g is sooooo much above odin. so, i will await the on-panel proofs eagerly.
How about when Big G destroyed 3 solar systems while barely alive. Along with killing a watcher of course.
How about Big G fighting people like In-Betweener, Ego, Mephisto (In his realm) and all while weakened and doing pretty good. I couldn't see Odin doing the same while weakened.
How about when Doom had Galactus power (and didn't appear to use the C.C. at all) and one shot Doom with ease
How about how they looked against a common foe in Thanos. Thanos used NO shields against Odin and yet went round after round with Odin and never ONCE thought about leaving or yielding or was concerned about dying. Compare that to him against Galactus when he did use shields and even then was one shot and close to dying. Or against Dp Tyrant.. who he admitted would kill him if he stuck around.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Hey Leo,Question.. So you feel Odin is on par with Galactus?
howdy KT--not saying that necessarily. i just think a lot of folks make assumptions and take forum-speak as truth without actually looking closely at the issue. g certainly did NOT overpower mephisto when they fought though he technically won by absorption. on a purely personal power level, g did not outclass him at all. mephisto was shown to be afraid of odin after odin's soul was briefly trapped in hell.
not saying odin wins a fight. i am saying it bears a closer look.
as for the thread, odin demolishes them pretty effortlessly.
oh and a point was raised earlier about celestials fighting on every plane of existence--i think that happened when they battled the beyonder. and i agree with newjak--the average celestial is quite a bit above the average level galactus. certainly the dreaming one was above him, to such an extent that he could actually manipulate his hunger.
Originally posted by leonidasAfter he was beaten by T&A, Thanos turned him into a weapon and only gave a trickle of energy to survive on, his appearance was shown as being extremely pale and his flesh seemed to be withering away. When was released he fired a blast that destroyed 3 solar systems, over 90% of Annihilus fleet and killed a watcher.
how 'nearly dead' was he? we've seen him so weak the avengers could take him down, so clearly he wasn't THAT weak. in contrast, we've seen surtur before he had twilight, (and who is weaker than odin) effortlessly destroy an entire galaxy. galaxies are just a little bit bigger than solar systems.this has been brought up before--everyone assumes g is sooooo much above odin. so, i will await the on-panel proofs eagerly.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI could have sworn it was proven that he did have the cube
How about when Big G destroyed 3 solar systems while barely alive. Along with killing a watcher of course.How about Big G fighting people like In-Betweener, Ego, Mephisto (In his realm) and all while weakened and doing pretty good. I couldn't see Odin doing the same while weakened.
How about when Doom had Galactus power (and didn't appear to use the C.C. at all) and one shot Doom with ease
How about how they looked against a common foe in Thanos. Thanos used NO shields against Odin and yet went round after round with Odin and never ONCE thought about leaving or yielding or was concerned about dying. Compare that to him against Galactus when he did use shields and even then was one shot and close to dying. Or against Dp Tyrant.. who he admitted would kill him if he stuck around.
Originally posted by Nihilist
After he was beaten by T&A, Thanos turned him into a weapon and only gave a trickle of energy to survive on, his appearance was shown as being extremely pale and his flesh seemed to be withering away. When was released he fired a blast that destroyed 3 solar systems, over 90% of Annihilus fleet and killed a watcher.
quasar beat a watcher. 😐
watchers are ill-defined. ss himself defeated one i think.
so, if someone can easily destroy a galaxy, how much energy (what percent of their power) would they need to destroy a couple solar systems?
strange stalemated the inbetweener, and thanos seemed to come close to match his energy output in quest.
all's i'm saying is i think its a lot closer than most think.
and g had just finished eating when he attacked thanos and expended all that energy getting through his shield. i'd actually count that AGAINST galactus as a poor showing.
so, i'm still waiting for on panel feats that clearly show galactus is far superior to odin....
Originally posted by leonidasNot getting into this fully as i dont see G to be above Odin by a huge margin, but a few things.
quasar beat a watcher. 😐watchers are ill-defined. ss himself defeated one i think.
so, if someone can easily destroy a galaxy, how much energy (what percent of their power) would they need to destroy a couple solar systems?
strange stalemated the inbetweener, and thanos seemed to come close to match his energy output in quest.
all's i'm saying is i think its a lot closer than most think.
and g had just finished eating when he attacked thanos and expended all that energy getting through his shield. i'd actually count that AGAINST galactus as a poor showing.
so, i'm still waiting for on panel feats that clearly show galactus is far superior to odin....
Galactus completely vaporized a watcher with his a single blast, Strange stalemated IB due to calling on Chaos and Order iirc.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How about when Big G destroyed 3 solar systems while barely alive. Along with killing a watcher of course.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: All those -hundreds?- of canisters full of the bio energy Galactus feeds on that were floating around him etc. weren't for show.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How about Big G fighting people like In-Betweener, Ego, Mephisto (In his realm) and all while weakened and doing pretty good. I couldn't see Odin doing the same while weakened.
Galactus was weakened when he fought Mephisto, In-Betweener? Can anyone confirm this? I don't remember this.
Depends on which fight with Ego you're referring to. He wasn't weakened in the first fight I'd argue, but he was for the second. Of course, he got his ass kicked the second time as he was hungry and Ego was stronger than before.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How about when Doom had Galactus power (and didn't appear to use the C.C. at all) and one shot Doom with ease
Untrue. Tyrant pulled this shit a while back to the point I took enough interest to re-read the comic. Doom had the Cube when he defeated Odin.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How about how they looked against a common foe in Thanos. Thanos used NO shields against Odin and yet went round after round with Odin and never ONCE thought about leaving or yielding or was concerned about dying. Compare that to him against Galactus when he did use shields and even then was one shot and close to dying. Or against Dp Tyrant.. who he admitted would kill him if he stuck around.
Galactus definitely came off looking better against Thanos. That doesn't prove Galactus is above Odin however. That is what you're arguing right?
The Odin that was blasting Thanos around like his hoe? His far below the levels Odin can reach and has when he actually fights serious Universal forces/threats like Sutur, Seth.
I do think that Starlin belies Odin is below Galactus in power however. At least, regular Odin.
Round for round better not be a different term for toe to toe.
IMHO, Galactus, well fed or not, is NOT the superior to Odin in power.
Unless something's changed in recent years, I'd actually put Odin ABOVE Galactus in terms of raw power.
This doesn't even include all the ways Odin can amp himself : draining power from all Asgard, jumping into the Destroyer Armor, etc...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Galactus definitely came off looking better against Thanos.
No he didn't. He actually came off looking WORSE. Odin was toying with Thanos, think about it. He didn't grow to super size, he didn't press his advantages when he had him down, etc...
Thanos barely, if at all, caused Odin to flinch. But Thanos knocked Galactus clean off his feet and blasted him hundreds of meters across a planet's surface.
A B S O L U T E L Y humiliating for Galactus.
I don't think Odin is above Galactus in power. I think Odin in his full power mode should be a peer to Galactus and the like. If his accessing all the power that resides in Asgard, and the Asgardians, then I think he should be above him. Well, enough to make a difference in a fight. That however is just my opinion.
I think the main reason people are against the idea is because of Thomas and how he had Odin get his ass kicked by the Celestials. Most people forget that this was their first appearance in the mainstream Marvel, and they were intended to be on top of the food chain. Galactus would have had his shit pushed in too.
Originally posted by zopzop
No he didn't. He actually came off looking WORSE. Odin was toying with Thanos, think about it. He didn't grow to super size, he didn't press his advantages when he had him down, etc...Thanos barely, if at all, caused Odin to flinch. But Thanos knocked Galactus clean off his feet and blasted him hundreds of meters across a planet's surface.
A B S O L U T E L Y humiliating for Galactus.
Haha, that's a good take on it.
Now that I think about it, although it took Galactus two attacks to get Thanos to the state he was in in comparison to Odin who unleashed multiple attacks, Galactus unlike Odin was drained by the feat. And I think he was hurt more against Odin. Of course there was the force field which muddies the waters a fair bit. I'm not sure when the force field broke and Thanos started tanking the onslaught. I think it's fair to assume the majority of his power went to the force field though.
Either way, I think if you break it down, Galactus comes out looking above Odin. However, now that I've analyzed the scenes, the gap is not nearly as large.
Originally posted by zopzop
IMHO, Galactus, well fed or not, is NOT the superior to Odin in power.Unless something's changed in recent years, I'd actually put Odin ABOVE Galactus in terms of raw power.
This doesn't even include all the ways Odin can amp himself : draining power from all Asgard, jumping into the Destroyer Armor, etc...
No offense but I and others really can't take this assesment seriously when you also feel like Odin and Seth are above the LT. So as you can see, that kinda taints this opinion.
My opinion doesn't really matter when we have ON PANEL feats not implied power or anything of that nature of Odin/Seth dwarfing anything the LT has done on panel.
You may not like it, but take that up with the Marvel writers.
Fact is Thanos blasted the shxx out of Galactus. Sent him flying, knocked off his helmet and put him on his ass.
Thanos couldn't even BUDGE Odin.