Heralds vs Odin

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: All those -hundreds?- of canisters full of the bio energy Galactus feeds on that were floating around him etc. weren't for show.

Galactus was weakened when he fought Mephisto, In-Betweener? Can anyone confirm this? I don't remember this.

Depends on which fight with Ego you're referring to. He wasn't weakened in the first fight I'd argue, but he was for the second. Of course, he got his ass kicked the second time as he was hungry and Ego was stronger than before.

Untrue. Tyrant pulled this shit a while back to the point I took enough interest to re-read the comic. Doom had the Cube when he defeated Odin.

Galactus definitely came off looking better against Thanos. That doesn't prove Galactus is above Odin however. That is what you're arguing right?

The Odin that was blasting Thanos around like his hoe? His far below the levels Odin can reach and has when he actually fights serious Universal forces/threats like Sutur, Seth.

I do think that Starlin belies Odin is below Galactus in power however. At least, regular Odin.

Round for round better not be a different term for toe to toe.

Did you ever see Galactus via art or read about it via narration feeding on said Bio energy? If not, then this is nothing more than meaningless unproven speculation on your part

Someone can confirm it, but I'm pretty sure he was weakend in both situations if my memory serves me correctly. It's been awhile since I've read them though.

I always agreed Doom had the Cube with him.. but it was in his pocket lifeless and we NEVER saw him do ANY reality warping with it against Odin. All we saw was him blast Odin ONE TIME and that is all it took.

You can claim Odin wasn't at this level or that level all you want but he doesn't ALWAYS grow in size when fighting top foes. There are countless of top class foes he's fought including Surtur he never grew. People think him growing is the only time he's getting serious or facing a serious threat and the surtur showings alone disprove that.

The facts are these... Odin wasnted to Kill Thanos and put him down for imprisoning his son and invading Asgard. He made this clear.. yet also commented on how Thanos power reserves are very similiar to his own. Also mentioned how he hasn't fought a foe like Thanos in EONS.. which includes his fights with Surtur during that period of time. He saluted Thanos as a worthy foe... and brought out a weapon to further raise the stakes and put him down and couldn't.

Now compare that to Galactus... Thanos NEVER brought out his shields against Odin.. EVER... and yet took all Odin had to dish out and never once thought about leaving, yielding or had any fear of dying. Now compare that to Galactus and you were initially spot on, in saying Galactus does look much better against Thanos than Odin did. Galactus two shot Thanos and had him begging for his life... a stark stark contrast to his fight with Odin. As I stated before, even tyrant looked superior to Odin when facing Thanos. You were initially correct Rage.. Galactus looking considerably better against Thanos than Odin did.

Originally posted by zopzop
My opinion doesn't really matter when we have ON PANEL feats not implied power or anything of that nature of Odin/Seth dwarfing anything the LT has done on panel.

You may not like it, but take that up with the Marvel writers.

Fact is Thanos blasted the shxx out of Galactus. Sent him flying, knocked off his helmet and put him on his ass.

Thanos couldn't even BUDGE Odin.

Yet even Rage, who loves odin, would say Odin is an insect next to the LT. Marvel has made it clear who is superior and it's the LT and it's not even close.

@Kurupt

Thanos managed to make Tyrant groan in pain and almost downed him with a punch. Thanos did no such thing vs Odin.

The Thanos/Galactus fight was humiliating for Galactus. Odin didn't flinch yet Galactus was knocked off his feet, sent flying hundreds of meters, and had his helmet blasted off.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yet even Rage, who loves odin, would say Odin is an insect next to the LT. Marvel has made it clear who is superior and it's the LT and it's not even close.

That's Rage's opinion. My opinion, backed by on panel feats, is different than his. It's a free country, we can agree to disagree.

Originally posted by zopzop
@Kurupt

Thanos managed to make Tyrant groan in pain and almost downed him with a punch. Thanos did no such thing vs Odin.

The Thanos/Galactus fight was humiliating for Galactus. Odin didn't flinch yet Galactus was knocked off his feet, sent flying hundreds of meters, and had his helmet blasted off.

Wrong again... an amped Thanos.. left IN A MUCH SHORTER TIME FOR FEAR OF DYING... yet after a MUCH LONGER fight with Odin had NO FEAR what so ever of dying. He wouldn't even yield or act like Odin was his superior. A stark stark contrast to how he acted against Tyrant and Galactus.

Galactus TWO SHOT THANOS and had him smoking and BEGGING FOR HIS LIFE. Without his shields Thanos took ALL that Odin dished out and at NO POINT WHAT SO EVER had ANY FEAR of dying and EVER backed down. Galactus two shot Thanos and had him begging for his life, which Thanos rarely ever does. Against Odin, after a much longer fight, with NO shields, wasn't concerned in the slightest about Odin.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did you ever see Galactus via art or read about it via narration feeding on said Bio energy? If not, then this is nothing more than meaningless unproven speculation on your part

The canisters floating towards Galactus glowing, and Annihilus screaming to stop because the Power Cosmic was his isn't any indication that Galactus was using that energy. That's of course ignoring basic common sense.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Someone can confirm it, but I'm pretty sure he was weakend in both situations if my memory serves me correctly. It's been awhile since I've read them though.

I don't recall it.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I always agreed Doom had the Cube with him.. but it was in his pocket lifeless and we NEVER saw him do ANY reality warping with it against Odin. All we saw was him blast Odin ONE TIME and that is all it took.

In his pocket and lifeless? What? It was part of his armor like all of the other artifacts he collected which combined made him far more powerful than Galactus. The Cube alone was pushed as a power greater than Galactus.

So what if he didn't bend reality? That doesn't take away from the raw power he possesses.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You can claim Odin wasn't at this level or that level all you want but he doesn't ALWAYS grow in size when fighting top foes.

No, he only grows to his full powered size when he is fighting an enemy he needs to step it up against.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
There are countless of top class foes he's fought including Surtur he never grew. People think him growing is the only time he's getting serious or facing a serious threat and the surtur showings alone disprove that.

Oh yea, like when? One of the main reasons Surtur created the Twilight Sword was to prevent Odin from assuming his full powered form. It isn't just for show.

The only major foe that I can think off right now that Odin fought without going giant sized was Forsung, and it can easily be argued that he simply chose to utilize the energy of the Asgardians -which he did- instead of going full power.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The facts are these... Odin wasnted to Kill Thanos and put him down for imprisoning his son and invading Asgard. He made this clear.. yet also commented on how Thanos power reserves are very similiar to his own.

Yes, Odin said Thanos' Doom was assured. He also gave Thanos the chance to surrender more than once.

Question: Do you believe the Thanos in the Captain Marvell issue was a clone or not?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Also mentioned how he hasn't fought a foe like Thanos in EONS.. which includes his fights with Surtur during that period of time. He saluted Thanos as a worthy foe... and brought out a weapon to further raise the stakes and put him down and couldn't.

facepalm That's just Starlin wank. Odin's encountered everyone from Infinity, to Surtur, to Seth to the Celestials in the past century. What the f*ck is Thanos to those type of forces?

Why are you Thanos fans so obsessed with Odin bringing out Gungnir? It's just a poor mans version of the Scepter which is simply the next best thing to going full power without drawing power from Asgard and the Asgardians.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Now compare that to Galactus... Thanos NEVER brought out his shields against Odin.. EVER... and yet took all Odin had to dish out and never once thought about leaving, yielding or had any fear of dying. Now compare that to Galactus and you were initially spot on, in saying Galactus does look much better against Thanos than Odin did. Galactus two shot Thanos and had him begging for his life... a stark stark contrast to his fight with Odin. As I stated before, even tyrant looked superior to Odin when facing Thanos. You were initially correct Rage.. Galactus looking considerably better against Thanos than Odin did.

Thanos had his shields on initially. Said it before. No, he didn't take all Odin could dish out. That's untrue. He took out only what Odin chose to dish out. Thanos clearly had more fear of Galactus than he did of Odin. Unfortunately that counts little hear.

I don't remember Thanos begging for his life but for Galactus to stop what he was doing because there were other forces at work.

How you view the Tyrant fight depends a lot on whether or not you believe Thanos was amped.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The canisters floating towards Galactus glowing, and Annihilus screaming to stop because the Power Cosmic was his isn't any indication that Galactus was using that energy. That's of course ignoring basic common sense.

I don't recall it.

In his pocket and lifeless? What? It was part of his armor like all of the other artifacts he collected which combined made him far more powerful than Galactus. The Cube alone was pushed as a power greater than Galactus.

So what if he didn't bend reality? That doesn't take away from the raw power he possesses.

No, he only grows to his full powered size when he is fighting an enemy he needs to step it up against.

Oh yea, like when? One of the main reasons Surtur created the Twilight Sword was to prevent Odin from assuming his full powered form. It isn't just for show.

The only major foe that I can think off right now that Odin fought without going giant sized was Forsung, and it can easily be argued that he simply chose to utilize the energy of the Asgardians -which he did- instead of going full power.

Yes, Odin said Thanos' Doom was assured. He also gave Thanos the chance to surrender more than once.

Question: Do you believe the Thanos in the Captain Marvell issue was a clone or not?

facepalm That's just Starlin wank. Odin's encountered everyone from Infinity, to Surtur, to Seth to the Celestials in the past century. What the f*ck is Thanos to those type of forces?

Why are you Thanos fans so obsessed with Odin bringing out Gungnir? It's just a poor mans version of the Scepter which is simply the next best thing to going full power without drawing power from Asgard and the Asgardians.

Thanos had his shields on initially. Said it before. No, he didn't take all Odin could dish out. That's untrue. He took out only what Odin chose to dish out. Thanos clearly had more fear of Galactus than he did of Odin. Unfortunately that counts little hear.

I don't remember Thanos begging for his life but for Galactus to stop what he was doing because there were other forces at work.

How you view the Tyrant fight depends a lot on whether or not you believe Thanos was amped.

However, you admit that there was no narration or art work showing him or even talking about him feeding on said canisters right? I understand your point, but you concede we never saw nor ever read about him doing so?

That is what I meant.. part of the armor. The point is.. that is what the CC does.. it bends reality.. when you see it used, that is usually what it's doing. We saw none of that against Odin. I concede that being that he did have it, it makes everything merky and he could've been amped a decent amount more than with just with Galactus's power. So I'm not going to argue the point much, as I do see where you coming from, and it's pretty logical and factual.

My point still stands... he doesn't ALWAYS grow to fight a powerful foe and that is spot on. Him not doing so against Thanos, isn't proof alone that he wasn't trying or giving it a good go. I don't believe he was going all out, I do not. I believe he was exerting a pretty good amount of energy and wanted to put Thanos down. The narration makes this clear.

You may not like the statement made my Odin (starlin) but it stands as canon statement none the less.

Thanos DID NOT have his shields on AT ANY point in his battle with Odin. The mods have already ruled on this issue against ODG. They said, and it's true, if there were NO SHIELDS SHOWN or MENTIONED ANYWHERE.. we don't assume he had his shields. We assume the logical opposite.. nothing shown = no shields. Period

When dealing with a clone.. it all becomes merky as it is a clone. It's not the real deal, nor do they act like exactly like thanos with all his exact memories. That being said, I don't have too big of an issue with it, because I feel like Odin got the better of the fight. I think that much should be clear. There was a power difference between the two and that statement kinda backs that up.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
However, you admit that there was no narration or art work showing him or even talking about him feeding on said canisters right? I understand your point, but you concede we never saw nor ever read about him doing so?

I was using sarcasm. You'd have to ignore the art, Annihilus' comment, and common sense to assume Galactus was not using the energy contained in the canisters. It just doesn't make any sense based on those things. At least in my opinion.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That is what I meant.. part of the armor. The point is.. that is what the CC does.. it bends reality.. when you see it used, that is usually what it's doing. We saw none of that against Odin. I concede that being that he did have it, it makes everything merky and he could've been amped a decent amount more than with just with Galactus's power. So I'm not going to argue the point much, as I do see where you coming from, and it's pretty logical and factual.

Cosmic Cubes can just as easily blast someone out of existence just as they can warp them. It's not merky. Doom had the Cosmic Cube. Reed outright said that Odin would be facing Doom who wielded the combined power of all the artifacts plus Galactus' energy.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
My point still stands... he doesn't ALWAYS grow to fight a powerful foe and that is spot on.

That depends on what you mean by powerful. When he faces a being who rivals him in power or is a serious Universal threat like Infinity, Surtur, Seth, he grows to giant sized levels. That's his full powered form. He jumps up a few levels.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Him not doing so against Thanos, isn't proof alone that he wasn't trying or giving it a good go. I don't believe he was going all out, I do not. I believe he was exerting a pretty good amount of energy and wanted to put Thanos down. The narration makes this clear.

That was never my argument. I don't think Odin wasn't trying. He obviously was. If you think Odin was using like 35% to 75% of his base power level, I'm perfectly fine with that. I think he wanted Thanos down. That's obvious based on his comments. But wanting to put someone down and doing everything in your power to do so are two completely different things.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You may not like the statement made my Odin (starlin) but it stands as canon statement none the less.

I don't dislike the statement. I don't feel about it any particular way. It's clearly just Starlin throwing Thanos a bone after having him blasted. In the last few Eons, Odin has faced beings far beyond Thanos in power.

If this really was a genuine statement, I might consider tossing the entire fight as PIS -which I almost never do- because Starlin would have to have zero knowledge of Odin. It'd be worse than Thanos outright stalemating Odin.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Thanos DID NOT have his shields on AT ANY point in his battle with Odin. The mods have already ruled on this issue against ODG. They said, and it's true, if there were NO SHIELDS SHOWN or MENTIONED ANYWHERE.. we don't assume he had his shields. We assume the logical opposite.. nothing shown = no shields. Period

I've already said all I have regarding the shields with my debate with Quanchi in this thread alone.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
When dealing with a clone.. it all becomes merky as it is a clone. It's not the real deal, nor do they act like exactly like thanos with all his exact memories. That being said, I don't have too big of an issue with it, because I feel like Odin got the better of the fight. I think that much should be clear. There was a power difference between the two and that statement kinda backs that up.

I'm just wondering what you're stance is regarding the Captain Marvell scene. Do you believe it was a clone or not currently? You thought it wasn't a while back as I believe, but stances change.

I'm fine with that.

Originally posted by Nihilist
you're as big of a clown as he is.

I'm your huckleberry. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
He IS an idiot...

Give me another adjective that describes someone who states over and over and over again that Thanos beats Galactus every single time despite all the evidence to the contrary?

Find me a word that describes Quan that is lesser in "intensity" for someone who actually tries to argue that Odin couldnt beat the heralds mentioned in the OP effortlessly?

What would you call someone who has actually stated that Thanos outranks the Celestials!?

Take your time when answering...

On the contrary, I actually see that he is quite intelligent by the way he writes. You can see his intelligence in his grammar. The problem is he is blinded by his infatuation with his favorite character.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
In other words you have nothing to add because they walked away from the fight. Surfer doesn't have the Crunch's power here. Surfer never harmed them by himself. Odin owns this *** on a board.

Go read Thanos Imperative and Infinity Gauntlet for your answers.

Nope, the real deal according to the Watcher.

You asked for proof and I gave it to you. Stop whining because Odin bfr Surfer easily.

Yes, in character Surfer did not have the power to beat the Proemial Gods. The Crunch isn't his power so what's he going to channel to defeat Odin?

Look, they halted their attack and left him. He was saved by Galactus in the end. You're logic is the worse and you know it too.

Wow, I guess you didn't know the force block is meant to imprison a foe to stop them from fighting. A cowards way for Thanos to halt Thor's rampage, which failed on Odin. If Thanos can use that tactic, Odin can use similar tactic to win. Otherwise, Thanos is as much a coward for imprisoning Thor and Odin rather fight them head on. You're logic is laughable Quancheese.

Lol at your little attempt at any kind of a come back. Hello KMC Loeb, how are you today?

He broke the board. Oh, and how is Mar-Vell relevant to Surfer winning this again when Surfer didn't do anything to Mar-Vell?

Odin destroys Surfer's board. Surfer stands around looking dumb. Team attacks Odin all to be one-shotted like classic Surfer. Hahahaha. Odin has one eye and therefore he's getting a beatdown. How dumb can you get? Best debator? Lol, go away and hide in under your bridge.

Surfer's board gives Odin a concussion while the rest beat him down.

You telling me to read anything without citing specific examples is a copout.

Marvel doesn't recognize this but this is neither here nor there. 🙂

That wasn't proof you never supplied one example of him bfring an opponent just of him defeating then bfring. His warrior like nature would prevent him from doing so. He's not the brightest bulb out there.

I never said Surfer uses the crunch to beat Odin. You fail to even understand my points. 😂

You aren't getting it him tanking their blasts proves he can take many attacks from odin since he's a lot less powerful than both of these beings.

Completely making someone immobile isn't bfr. You don't know the difference with this so I can see why all my points leave you scratching your head.

I never said Odin's tactic was unfair I only said it showed how desperate he became when matched up with someone as powerful as he was. He needed an edge and got it, albeit temporarily.

You make jokes and humor all too easy.

Just saying mar-vell was a lot more powerful unlike your classic feats which are irrelevant to current Surfer.

Surfer can reform the board and quite easily. You don't even seem to know or understand the surfer or his powers. Poor thing.

One eye really does hurt your vision when fighting foes coming at all sides at light speeds or near light. He gets crushed. Common sense for the win.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Odin is more powerful then her. In a confrontation, Odin beat her. The end.

Magus was a hero through Warlock? WTF and you want to tell me I don't know who Magus is? Just the guy who murdered a number of UCT planets to open up a rift. Hero? That guy?

Ultron one-shot another character to look badass. Same rehash crap by DnA when they put Mar-Vell in Ultron's place. More powerful? Magus already detonated those faith worlds, the source of his power. Not much of a feat killing a Magus that lost his followers.

Yeah, the board hitting him from behind. They went straight for one another and Bill blocked Surfer's attacks then knocked him away no problem. Then absorbed Surfer's attack again when the board came from behind. You argument has no weight since Surfer was only able to capitalize after that shot from behind. Even then, Bill says to Skuttlebutt that her attack was not noble considering they were in the middle of parlaying, meaning that fight wasn't even over.

Surfer comes blasting at Bill; Bill blocks. Surfer charges.

Bill halts Surfers blitz, knocking Surfer away.

Surfer blast him again only to be block by Bill. Board hits Bill from behind and Surfer capitalizes on that. Surfer got worked there. Surfer was doing as much good as Stardust when the fight began. That cheapshot from behind gave Surfer time to fight back. Even then that fight didn't conclude.

You are a hypocrite seeing as you ignore Thanos using his force block to give himself an advantage but want to play up Gungnir. Poor Thanos thinking he was fighting WM Thor when he was actually fighting the pimp of skyfathers.

This is funny because you want to bring up that Ant showing.

He didn't out fight Bill. His board hit Bill from behind. Bill outfought Surfer. Want to see those scans again? There right above.
Ravenous? He over powered Ravenous, not beat him hand to hand.
Nova? He over powered Nova. In fact, Nova outfought Surfer until unleashed his power. Did you read their fight? lol
Hulk? Hulk's a fighter on the level of Odin? WTFGOH with this Pak nonsense.

Odin actually has fighting skills.

So how you think Surfer's board can harm Odin? Odin is several magnitudes above Bill and Surfer. The board is going to harm Odin?! Yeah, you need to take this logic as where because it's not logic, just delusions. Odin blows up Surfer's board and sends him hurling into another time. Then he pisses on all the heralds.

Wait, hold up. You have a point that's relevant? No waits, it's just more deluded b.s. again. Some debater you are. Surfer is going throw his board at Odin to win this.

Surfer can win this if Odin beats him to near death and then decides to leave and the Crunch is nearby. 🙄

Magus was a hero before he turned into Magus. That means he was warlock so yes heroism was a thing of the past for him my good man.

We don't ignore showings though that's the point. If characters beat other ones this gets accepted we don't say hey guys calm down they are just hyping the villain this doesn't count. LOL.

That's calling fighting effectively using your powers and despite the first attacked landed on the Surfer he just raped Bill after he landed his first attack. He beat him while holding back. Awesome feat.

The scan made it clear Surfer didn't want to beat him to death but there was no way for Bill to win on his own which he in the end failed to do.

Thanos didn't summon an outside ship or weapon he used what he had on person unlike Odin who also sent foes after Thanos whereas he was fresh as a daisy. Thanos wasn't as fresh as odin and he still didn't put him down.

Ant showing is legit showing where he is beaten by far less powerful characters than this group with an army at his control.

Outfighting someone is beating them in a fight and he did so decisively. Bill didn't even hurt Surfer. Surfer crushed him while holding back an dhe beat him with his fists. LOL.

Yes, he easily overpowered ravenous while holding bakc yet again.

Surfer flew circles around him while holding back and showing how outclassed he was all while holding back. All of these are examples of Surfer doing so while holding back. Look out Odin surfer wants your ass.

I never said he doesn't but so does this team and he rarely uses his skills. LOL.

Ants beat him into submission and sold him at an auction. You can say whatever ridiculous things you say but I bring up canon comics to support my case which is why I won this debate a long time ago.

Originally posted by leonidas
so, who do you think has the better on-panel feats, galactus or odin? discount the black arc because galactus was actually manipulated by .... a celestial.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
OMG Quan got PWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

💃

odin will be sitting on a pile of knocked out heralds

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Haha. Like I asked, how does current Thanos beat Surfer?

I don’t have to prove anything further. You’re argument was that because we didn’t see shields the same way we did under a different artist in a previous issue, they weren’t there. I just pointed you towards a scene where shields were portrayed as invisible. I.e. just because they aren’t visibly colored, that doesn’t mean they aren’t there. This on top of the fact that the initial blast is bending around Thanos as if blocked by something and Thanos used shields previously in the arc, logic dictates that Thanos was using shields. Of course, this is you I’m debating with.

In what way? All I remember were his clothes being ripped.

Thanos was face down on the goddamn floor. He struggled to get to stand. Odin clearly did far more than singe him.

If you consider what Thanos was doing as going toe to toe, then Thor most definitely did the same. Thor withstood almost as much hits as Thanos did. But like I said, I have no problem with Thanos’ showing, because Thor outperformed him, at least power wise. Those ants –that beat Odin off panel IIRC- are clearly far superior to Thanos if they can beat Odin. Lol. You love using how characters perform against others as evidence, but when it doesn’t suit you, it suddenly gets ridiculed?

You just spent the last ten pages arguing about how Surfer will prevail against Odin based on how he performed against the Primordial Gods.

Shut up.

I don’t have to. The shields were there. We saw the blast bend around Thanos unnaturally. I.e. they were drawn. I also pointed to a scene where Thanos rocks invisible shields. That’s all I have to do.

Yea, by a different artist. Do you not understand that the drawing of shields vary from writer to writer. This artist drew the shields as not all encompassing like previously done by himself and others.

Can someone confirm this? I don’t give enough of a shit to flip through the arc. I remember Thanos knowing and planning for his confrontation with Galactus.

I don’t give a shit what your stance is regarding the spear as long as you’re not arguing that it amps Odin in anyway. Of course, that’s likely going to be your stance.

To what end? Even the Scepter is nothing but a conduit for Odin’s power. At best, it proves Starlin knows shit all about Odin.

Unfazed? What’s your definition of the word?

Looked worse? In what way?

😂 Are you trying to imply that Thanos was in no danger and was going to get serious? Okay, yea, I’m done with the constant rehashing, goal post moving, and dodging arguments you make. I’ve argued with you for like 18 pages on this thread. WhiteWitch or whoever wants, can argue with you for the next 18.

You made the claim he used shields so the onus is on you. I know you aren't level headed most of the time and make nonsensical claims but my point is whenever they are either mentioned or drawn they aren't considered to be there. Not one example and if he did have shields why weren't they mentioned or drawn destroyed ? You have nothing it's quite pitiful.

His clothes obviously I mean if throughout an entire battle if the best he can do is barely burn his clothes that's not a beatdown and we have Thanos' clothes in much worse shape when he toyed with Fallen one and purposely didn't kill him. Thanos did stand and wanted more just because he didn't do a cartwheel right after don't make this into something it isn't. 🙂

Thor fled from Odin Thanos stood his ground like A MAN. Thor fled like a coward. That's the gist of it. I mean you can pretend Thor didn't flee from his father or the fact he's never been a real threat to Thanos and try to draw some weirdo kinda comparison here but once again you have nothing.

Thor's power has never outperformed Thanos. Sorry but he's not as powerful as Thanos who is a peer to Odin whereas Thor is nothing to Odin or Thanos.

Thanos would have beaten Odin as well by himself. The ants showed they were superior to all of asgard with their numbers whereas Thanos has killed billions on his own, naked while mindless. He's well beyond Odin the one eyed willy.

Yes, based on the fact he can tank powerful blasts from much more powerful characters than Odin thus he isn't oneshotting him which you so foolishly claimed. I am good at making my points known.

You do have to because no one else sees anything move away unnaturally he just tanked his blast. LOL. You aren't very good at comprehending pictures I see.

Everytime Thanos had invisible shields they were mentioned otherwise how can the reader know ? I mean seriously quit with the nonsense.

Every writer has either had an artist draw them or mention them himself in every shield showing.

In this instance it improved his attacks against Thanos otherwise there's no point in bringing it out. Common sense, sport.

I don't care if Starlin knows about odin the writer has full reign here and Odin needed this to take On Thanos on his own he wasn't getting anywhere.

Thanos had a bloody nose so seemingly unphased by Thor. He fought him for the sheer sport of it knowing he couldn't physically beat him due to the power gem but he still oneshotted him when he wanted to anyways. Thor is nothing to Thanos even with a huge amp.

You don't have the courage to face me so begone.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin is more powerful than her but that doesn't mean at one point she wasn't a peer to him in terms of formidability. Think next time.

And Odin beat his peer easily. Think next time. Surfer isn't even close to Hela. Think!

Magus was a hero before he turned into Magus. That means he was warlock so yes heroism was a thing of the past for him my good man.

?So Mar-Vell killed a hero? Hahahaha! Think before you speak next time. Magus only destroyed all his followers and the planets the were on. Are you high?

We don't ignore showings though that's the point. If characters beat other ones this gets accepted we don't say hey guys calm down they are just hyping the villain this doesn't count. LOL.

Great then T&A beat Surfer. Odin one-shot beat Surfer. We won't down play that. But Magus destroyed the faith worlds, his power source. And then Mar-Vell killed that Magus. Not a great of a feat as you try and make out, leaving out that part.

That's calling fighting effectively using your powers and despite the first attacked landed on the Surfer he just raped Bill after he landed his first attack. He beat him while holding back. Awesome feat.

That's a shot from behind an opponents head. But if that's your logic, then Bill won that fight. Surfer got wrecked here.

The scan made it clear Surfer didn't want to beat him to death but there was no way for Bill to win on his own which he in the end failed to do.

So this explains Surfer's cheap shot as a him outfighting Bill? Bill was kicking Surfer's as like Stardust.

Thanos didn't summon an outside ship or weapon he used what he had on person unlike Odin who also sent foes after Thanos whereas he was fresh as a daisy. Thanos wasn't as fresh as odin and he still didn't put him down.

He just brought the weapon with him because he's a coward. Your just a hypocrite that's all.

Ant showing is legit showing where he is beaten by far less powerful characters than this group with an army at his control.

This is what beat Thanos. Nuff said. A squirrel girl.

Outfighting someone is beating them in a fight and he did so decisively. Bill didn't even hurt Surfer. Surfer crushed him while holding back an dhe beat him with his fists. LOL.

That's not beating someone with skills when you cheapshot them. But then it's you and you like to lie and deny facts Quancheese.

Yes, he easily overpowered ravenous while holding bakc yet again.

Which isn't a display of fighting skills.

Surfer flew circles around him while holding back and showing how outclassed he was all while holding back. All of these are examples of Surfer doing so while holding back. Look out Odin surfer wants your ass.

Lol, now Surfer is going to flirt with Odin to win? Surfer zips about and get handed by Odin.

Look! It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's the Silver Surf...No! It's a base ball! Home run Bill! Home run!

Here's Surfer using his speed against an opponent.

I never said he doesn't but so does this team and he rarely uses his skills. LOL.

It's a forum fight. He fights at his best, which includes his skills. Surfer gets bfr removed and Odin pisses over the rest.

Ants beat him into submission and sold him at an auction. You can say whatever ridiculous things you say but I bring up canon comics to support my case which is why I won this debate a long time ago.

Then bring them up. Surfer gets his board broken and bfr while team gets stomped. If Surfer gets back, Odin choke holds the *****.

Fight ends up like this. Not much proof current Surfer is any more powerful than classic. They've fought, Odin stomped him but Quancheese is having denials issues once again. Hahahaha

Look at the mighty Surfer getting stomped. Odin 1-shot. Surfer 0! Team has nothing to offer.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
And Odin beat his peer easily. Think next time. Surfer isn't even close to Hela. Think!

?So Mar-Vell killed a hero? Hahahaha! Think before you speak next time. Magus only destroyed all his followers and the planets the were on. Are you high?

Great then T&A beat Surfer. Odin one-shot beat Surfer. We won't down play that. But Magus destroyed the faith worlds, his power source. And then Mar-Vell killed that Magus. Not a great of a feat as you try and make out, leaving out that part.

That's a shot from behind an opponents head. But if that's your logic, then Bill won that fight. Surfer got wrecked here.

So this explains Surfer's cheap shot as a him outfighting Bill? Bill was kicking Surfer's as like Stardust.

He just brought the weapon with him because he's a coward. Your just a hypocrite that's all.

This is what beat Thanos. Nuff said. A squirrel girl.

That's not beating someone with skills when you cheapshot them. But then it's you and you like to lie and deny facts Quancheese.

Which isn't a display of fighting skills.

Lol, now Surfer is going to flirt with Odin to win? Surfer zips about and get handed by Odin.

Look! It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's the Silver Surf...No! It's a base ball! Home run Bill! Home run!

Here's Surfer using his speed against an opponent.

It's a forum fight. He fights at his best, which includes his skills. Surfer gets bfr removed and Odin pisses over the rest.

Then bring them up. Surfer gets his board broken and bfr while team gets stomped. If Surfer gets back, Odin choke holds the *****.

Fight ends up like this. Not much proof current Surfer is any more powerful than classic. They've fought, Odin stomped him but Quancheese is having denials issues once again. Hahahaha

Look at the mighty Surfer getting stomped. Odin 1-shot. Surfer 0! Team has nothing to offer.

Thor has ran off Hela and Bill is his peer so logically Surfer could make her flee in terror just the same. LOL.

Mar-vell killed someone who used to be a hero but now is a badass villain in one shot. Better than Odin koing heroes with one shot. LOL.

Magus wrecked the gotg while weakened after saving all of reality. I don't do drugs it's a crutch imo people who need these to get by.

When did Magus' faith worlds amp his durability ? Please show me a scan or something. Odin oneshotting classic surfer is irrelevant to current Surfer.

No, Bill fled the fight and having aid and not even defeating the Surfer isn't the same as defeating the Surfer outright. Think, sporto.

When a fight begins then there isn't a cheapshot once it's started. Surfer used his powers effectively and if he does the same to odin he's screwed.

Thanos didn't summon any outside tech or anything not on his person Odin did. This proves blow for blow they are equals.

Not canon and off topic. Focus, padawan.

He's displayed fighting skills against the hulk and warbound. He has displayed great power against ravenous while holding back.

Using your powers effectively isn't cheapshotting someone, witchey.

Bill's hammer assault didn't phase the Surfer at all he proceeded to hand Bill his ass. Tremendous.

Odin fights in character as does the Surfer so Surfer uses his best speed and tactics so Odin won't even lay a finger on him. Stupendous.

Odin's already on the ground before he knows what hits him. Outstanding.

So current Surfer taking multiple blasts from T and A isn't proof ? LOL. Outrageous.

You simply repeat yourself and the same scans over and over and at the end of the day you will leave this thread before I do.

Originally posted by zopzop
My opinion doesn't really matter when we have ON PANEL feats not implied power or anything of that nature of Odin/Seth dwarfing anything the LT has done on panel.

You may not like it, but take that up with the Marvel writers.

Fact is Thanos blasted the shxx out of Galactus. Sent him flying, knocked off his helmet and put him on his ass.

Thanos couldn't even BUDGE Odin.

Yes, he did and Odin's words confirm his respect for him as an opponent.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos had a bloody nose so seemingly unphased by Thor. He fought him for the sheer sport of it knowing he couldn't physically beat him due to the power gem but he still oneshotted him when he wanted to anyways. Thor is nothing to Thanos even with a huge amp.

You don't have the courage to face me so begone.

The rest of your garbage isn't worth effort, but this stuck out to me.

I love how you harp on the fact that Odin brought out Gungnir yet don't find it important that the only reason Thanos defeated Thor was because of the weapon he brought out. Oh, and beaten down to your knees and bleeding isn't unfazed. At least in my book.

Oh! So that's why you were claiming Drax with the Power Gem couldn't be defeated physically or knocked out even though Thor clearly did so. Because Thanos couldn't make any headway against Thor wielding the Power Gem, and if Thanos couldn't make any headway, there has to be some excuse.

facepalm

For the rest of your post, just look at my previous post and adjust as necessary.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I was using sarcasm. You'd have to ignore the art, Annihilus' comment, and common sense to assume Galactus was not using the energy contained in the canisters. It just doesn't make any sense based on those things. At least in my opinion.

Cosmic Cubes can just as easily blast someone out of existence just as they can warp them. It's not merky. Doom had the Cosmic Cube. Reed outright said that Odin would be facing Doom who wielded the combined power of all the artifacts plus Galactus' energy.

That depends on what you mean by powerful. When he faces a being who rivals him in power or is a serious Universal threat like Infinity, Surtur, Seth, he grows to giant sized levels. That's his full powered form. He jumps up a few levels.

That was never my argument. I don't think Odin wasn't trying. He obviously was. If you think Odin was using like 35% to 75% of his base power level, I'm perfectly fine with that. I think he wanted Thanos down. That's obvious based on his comments. But wanting to put someone down and doing everything in your power to do so are two completely different things.

I don't dislike the statement. I don't feel about it any particular way. It's clearly just Starlin throwing Thanos a bone after having him blasted. In the last few Eons, Odin has faced beings far beyond Thanos in power.

If this really was a genuine statement, I might consider tossing the entire fight as PIS -which I almost never do- because Starlin would have to have zero knowledge of Odin. It'd be worse than Thanos outright stalemating Odin.

I've already said all I have regarding the shields with my debate with Quanchi in this thread alone.

I'm just wondering what you're stance is regarding the Captain Marvell scene. Do you believe it was a clone or not currently? You thought it wasn't a while back as I believe, but stances change.

I'm fine with that.

Well I know you feel it makes sense to you, but that didn't answer my question. There was no on panel narration nor any signs of him feeding on anything.

I think you might have me confused with Quan or somebody else. What exactly are you referring to and when did I say it was a clone?

Not much to really comment here. I said I dropped the point because your position is pretty logical, and thus I'm not sure why there was a response at all

You just gave an example of him not growing in size to fight Forsung.. I can remember him battling surtur(without twilight) and not growing in size. The point is, him not growing in size isn't proof positive that he didn't regard Thanos as a threat nor tha the wasn't serious.

Please elaborate on what you're talking in Re: This clone issue. I think you might have me confused with somebody else. So please tell me what you're talking about.