Heralds vs Odin

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well I know you feel it makes sense to you, but that didn't answer my question. There was no on panel narration nor any signs of him feeding on anything.

Are you saying that my stance doesn't make sense to you? Why?

I thought the art alone was clear indication. I read further, and Annihilus statement confirmed it. Galactus was stealing the power cosmic in those canisters.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I think you might have me confused with Quan or somebody else. What exactly are you referring to and when did I say it was a clone?

A while back I remember having an argument with you when you referenced the Marvel issue. So you do think it was a clone?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Not much to really comment here. I said I dropped the point because your position is pretty logical, and thus I'm not sure why there was a response at all

So why did you respond? 😛

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You just gave an example of him not growing in size to fight Forsung..

Like I said, the Forsung example could easily be explained by Odin resorting to the power of Asgardians instead of attaining full power. Forsung drained all the power from the Enchanters, and Odin in turn drained all the energy that empowers the special abilities of Asgardians. Perhaps he didn't need to grow to giant size levels. You have to remember that this was the first time -it was in the late 60's/early 70's- Odin had a legit battle with an opponent who could fight Odin evenish (At least as far as I remember).

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I can remember him battling surtur(without twilight) and not growing in size.

When? I think we saw him defeating Surtur and imprisoning him in the center of the Earth in some flashback back in the early 60's but I remember it being two or three panels long. Hardly conclusive. Especially since we later saw Odin easily defeat Surtur later on under Lee. Perhaps he simply didn't have to grow. It wasn't until Simonson came on board, that Surtur became a legit rival for Thor I believe. Odin also died fighting Surtur in regular sized form. He was however incredibly weakened at the time.

My point is, that since the fight with Forsung, whenever Odin engages a high end opponent, he reaches a giant sized state. Years later, it was revealed that in this form he jumped a few levels, and attained his full power around the 80's.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The point is, him not growing in size isn't proof positive that he didn't regard Thanos as a threat nor tha the wasn't serious.

Whatever you want. As long as you acknowledge that Odin can get far more powerful than he was when he fought Thanos if he so chooses to.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please elaborate on what you're talking in Re: This clone issue. I think you might have me confused with somebody else. So please tell me what you're talking about.

Possibly. I was sure it was you.

You know thanks to WWK, I noticed something else about the whole Aegis/Teneberous/Odin/Surfer argument.

Odin one shot KOed the Surfer, while T&A had to hit him repeatedly and brutally to KO him.

One shot from Odin > T&A's repeated assaults.

Just re-read the Forsung scene, and I don't think Odin withdraw the power from the Asgardians to amp his own. He simply removed their powers but chose to use only his own because it was all that was required I'm guessing. He also had the scepter which was used to channel their power at each other. The most effective way for Odin to utilize his power outside of reaching his full powered state.

That explains the Forsung incident. Of course I didn't re-read the entire issue, and I think their's an important scene with Sif/Thor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't argue based on feats alone I think Galactus is a lot more powerful.

so you have no proof g>odin, (in fact, odin likely has the greater on-panel feats) let alone g>>>>odin? and yet you still just assume g>>>>odin? that seems like a pretty illogical stance to take.....

anyway, you keep quoting how much more powerful the current ss is--what proof do you have that he was actually upgraded power-wise? just because he took a couple shots from t and a? what actual outputs of power has he shown that definitively demonstrate he has been upgraded as much as you seem to believe?

Originally posted by Nihilist
Galactus completely vaporized a watcher with his a single blast, Strange stalemated IB due to calling on Chaos and Order iirc.

i would hope if quasar can beat one, a po'd g could vaporize one.....

and strange didn't stalemate IB with chaos/order's help--he BEAT him after calling on them. prior to calling on them he stalemated him.

Originally posted by zopzop
You know thanks to WWK, I noticed something else about the whole Aegis/Teneberous/Odin/Surfer argument.

Odin one shot KOed the Surfer, while T&A had to hit him repeatedly and brutally to KO him.

One shot from Odin > T&A's repeated assaults.

Whoo-hoo!!!

Quan is gonna s**t a brick and go into "Hyper-Quan" mode when he reads that!!

😂

His response might be so frantic and desperate that it features no punctuation whatsoever...

💃

But in all seriousness LoM, I'm not trying to troll Quan or anything.

I never noticed that before till WWk posted those scans. One hit from Odin did what it took two "Gods" repeated and brutal blows to accomplish.

Now that I think about it, SS recovered far faster from his brutal assault from T&A then he did vs Odin. Am I remembering right? Was Surfer indeed knocked out for the remainder of the Thanos/Odin throwdown?

Yep...

Odin put Surfer down for the count in one attack in Warlock and the Inifinty Watch #25...

Jeez, so based on panel feats :

Odin > T &A. LOL

I think feats matter, but only up until a point. Let's not oversell Odin.

I do however think the gap between Galactus and Odin is far smaller than most believe. I've never seen anyone having trouble accepting Mephisto -who's maybe as powerful as Odin in his realm- stalemating Galactus in a galaxy busting battle, but the possibility of Odin doing it turns a lot of heads.

Besides, a slightly amped Zeus just punked Galactus.

Originally posted by zopzop
Jeez, so based on panel feats :

Odin > T &A. LOL

Based on feats this is absolutely correct!

🙂

LoM and RoO

All we have to go by is on panel feats, since these beings never directly fought.

And based on how well the TWO of them (T&A) did vs Surfer compared to Odin, the only verdict we can draw is Odin > T&A.

Odin didn't even need to amp or use the Destroyer armor. He just swatted him once and it was over.

In Annihilation, an enormously weakened Galactus devastated an entire galaxy with one outburst of power. If Odin lost a huge portion of his power, would he be able to do the same? I have my doubts, personally.

However, I do agree that the gap between Odin and Galactus isn't as large as many seem to think it is, all feats considered. However, to accept that Odin and Galactus are near-equals is to also accept that Galactus is hugely inferior to upper-echelon Celestials (as Odin + Destroyer armor amped by all of Asgard was absolutely nothing in comparison to them) -- and many people think G possesses Celestial-eqsue power (don't know why.)

So yeah...

Originally posted by Galan007
In Annihilation, an enormously weakened Galactus devastated an entire galaxy with one outburst of power. If Odin lost a huge portion of his power, would he be able to do the same? I have my doubts, personally.

However, I do agree that the gap between Odin and Galactus isn't as large as many seem to think it is, all feats considered. However, to accept that Odin and Galactus are near-equals is also to also accept that Galactus is hugely inferior to upper-echelon Celestials (as Odin + Destroyer armor amped by all of Asgard was absolutely nothing in comparison to them) -- and many people think G possesses Celestial-eqsue power (don't know why.)

So yeah...

He cleansed an entire Galaxy and destroyed around 3 Solar Systems. Something I think Odin even when weakened could accomplish. At least going by his higher end showings. Didn't he repair all the damage done by himself and Infinity (Entire Galaxies destroyed) with a gesture?

And like I pointed out to Kurupt, I don't think he was as weakened as people point out because I'd wager he was leeching the Power Cosmic from those canisters.

At the time of that fight, Celesitals were considered to be superior to everyone else. Including Galactus. At least in the Thor offices of Marvel.

Firstly, the "severely weakened" Galactus thing is debatable. Rage brought up good points about the energy containers surrounding Galactus. He could have been draining them for energy before letting off that blast. We don't know one way or another.

Secondly the Odin/Destroyer vs Celestials fight was over 30 years ago. A lot has changed. Since that fight Odin has by far the most impressive feats of any character barring things like the IG/UN/HotI. The best we've seen from the Celestials is hurling some planets at Thanos during the IG saga.

The best we've seen from Odin (and his foes) is galaxy wide destruction, multiverse shaking, igniting long dead stars throughout the universe and threatening all reality with destruction (something the IG throw down didn't' even do).

Haha. I like created you and set you loose on the boards.

You denied Odin's higher end feats, and so I bombarded you with them. Now you've been converted.

Tis true.

Odin's foe, which Odin went on to beat handily, Surtur let loose more power than Galactus/Stranger/Kronos/Chaos/Order/Two Celestials/Eon/Love/Hate combined.

Let's see the Celestial fans come up with a feat to counter that. Not implied power, but an actual on panel feat. Good luck with that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Haha. I like created you and set you loose on the boards.

You denied Odin's higher end feats, and so I bombarded you with them. Now you've been converted.

As they say.. a little bit of info can be a dangerous thing for some people. He even thinks Odin/Seth are above the LT. So you doing so Rage, certainly wasn't a good thing 😛

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
As they say.. a little bit of info can be a dangerous thing for some people. He even thinks Odin/Seth are above the LT. So you doing so Rage, certainly wasn't a good thing 😛

Nice job misquoting me. I never said Odin/Seth are above the LT. Especially not in authority. Authority != power. So you fail there.

I said based on ON PANEL feats, not implied power, Odin/Seth have trumped anything the LT has done.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
As they say.. a little bit of info can be a dangerous thing for some people. He even thinks Odin/Seth are above the LT. So you doing so Rage, certainly wasn't a good thing 😛

Just you wait, I'll turn you into a thorbag soon enough.