why would god create your personality, then fault you for F'ing up 😬
LOL doesn't make any sense...
why would a all loving god let a baby die before even living his life 😬 ... or even being born yet for that matter 😬 ...
makes no sense lol
2011 & people still believing in a magic man in the sky...
these ideas come from a simple time from simple people just trying to explain things in the world 😬
Originally posted by SamZEDI see no reason why he wouldn't.
A question to religious people only (obviously).Most religions believe that people who worship other Gods or do not believe in God at all will go to hell. So my question is - is it possible for a nonbeliever to go to heaven?
For example, someone lives in some village. Never even heard of cellphones, let alone religions but is generally a very good person. Works hard, doent steal, kill etc. Maybe even saved many peoples lives etc. But he'll go to hell because he's never even heard of Christ or Allah?
If he is a good person in life I see no reason he wouldn't be rewarded int he afterlife if there is one.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
why would god create your personality, then fault you for F'ing up 😬
What does your personality have to do with choosing not to kill an old woman and rob her house?
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
why would a all loving god let a baby die before even living his life 😬 ... or even being born yet for that matter 😬 ...
As a test for those who remain. If you get mad at God when it happens and denounce Him, you fail.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
these ideas come from a simple time from simple people just trying to explain things in the world 😬
Humans have always been just as complex with the same choices. There's always been birth, death, love, marriage, community, charity, murder, theft, adultery, etc.
And God will always be God.
i have a feeling that if god really exists then he isnt such a control freak as most of his fans
he'll probably greet me when i die. he wont be insecure or insulted that i didn't believe he was real, he'll know that i was only making a guess based on the limited information at hand.
he'll say now you know da truth, and i'll say word up god so whats the deal with all these people who prophecize and preach in your name yet all have different versions of what you think and what you demand of humanity? he'll be like oh that? yea i had a bit of fun back in the dark ages
Originally posted by MRasheedIt turns out, you do not understand me. I am saying that God understands PERFECTLY why you did things. I am saying that it is not black and white, it is impossible for us to simply say, he is going to hell because he doesn't believe in God, only God himself can make such a distinction.
Yes, I am. In your opinion, God should be easier on the people who have rejected Him and dedicate their lives to sin, and you think He should be harder on the people who believe in Him but make normal human mistakes and slip ups in their striving to please Him. It actually works in the opposite way, which makes significantly more sense to me. I'm having trouble understanding why you think the disbeliever could possibly deserve God's lenience when they've basically said "F*ck you, God."
Originally posted by MRasheedYou are making too many assumptions. 1. that most (or all, since you believe all who don't believe are damned) that don't believe in God hate him (which in it'self makes no sense, how can they hate what they don't believe in), 2. They all say horrible things about God. 3. No one who doesn't believe in God is a GOOD person, who loves everyone and would do anything for anyone.
Most human beings can barely figure out their own lives, but I'm to get they can understand a being who is infinitely superior to them who's ways and motives will never be grasped by a human mind. Most humans get a little bit of info about a celebrity and then slander and abuse that celebrity until they find out the "whole story" of why the celebrity did what they did and realize how wrong they were for talking trash... how infinitely greater goes the same situation in this context, in which people, with a poor understanding of how life, spirit, and death functions anyway, think they have what it takes to judge an omniscient Being, who sees EVERY side of EVERY situation imaginable.
Quit making assumptions about a group, that by the definition of the group is only that they don't believe in God, absolutely nothing else.
Originally posted by MRasheedShow me where it says that it is the worst sin.
Tell me this...When the Most Knowledgable, Most Understanding being in all of existence says that truly the worst crime/sin is to disbelieve in the One who made you, but little menokokoro, who is not the most knowledgable, most understanding being in existence, and is still trying to figure out the little corner of life in his control, says that disbelief in the One who made me is a trivial matter...
...which one should I give the benefit of the doubt that they know what they are actually talking about?
And I'm actually saying the opposite. I am saying that God knows all, and it is up to him, but it just doesn't make sense to damn one of his children, that he loves, that he does not discriminate against, to hell.
Originally posted by red g jacksThat is pretty much exactly how I think about it.
i have a feeling that if god really exists then he isnt such a control freak as most of his fanshe'll probably greet me when i die. he wont be insecure or insulted that i didn't believe he was real, he'll know that i was only making a guess based on the limited information at hand.
he'll say now you know da truth, and i'll say word up god so whats the deal with all these people who prophecize and preach in your name yet all have different versions of what you think and what you demand of humanity? he'll be like oh that? yea i had a bit of fun back in the dark ages
Originally posted by menokokoro
It turns out, you do not understand me.
That was the paraphrased version of what you said.
Originally posted by menokokoro
I am saying that God understands PERFECTLY why you did things.
That doesn't have anything to do with what you chose to do.
Originally posted by menokokoro
I am saying that it is not black and white...
It is black & white though.
Originally posted by menokokoro
...it is impossible for us to simply say, he is going to hell because he doesn't believe in God, only God himself can make such a distinction.
He said in His Book that if you die in a state of unbelief you will DEFINITELY go to hell. It's pretty clear in that regard.
Originally posted by menokokoro
You are making too many assumptions. 1. that most (or all, since you believe all who don't believe are damned) that don't believe in God hate him (which in it'self makes no sense, how can they hate what they don't believe in)
I didn't assume that. In fact, the concept is irrelevant.
Originally posted by menokokoro
2. They all say horrible things about God.
It may not sound horrible to them...
Originally posted by menokokoro
3. No one who doesn't believe in God is a GOOD person, who loves everyone and would do anything for anyone.
"Good" means nothing outside of belief in God. It will profit your soul nothing.
Originally posted by menokokoro
Quit making assumptions about a group, that by the definition of the group is only that they don't believe in God, absolutely nothing else.
I don't care that much about it one way or another about what the unrepentant hellbound think of such things. Why should they care about what someone who believes in a "magic man in the sky" assumes about them?
Originally posted by menokokoro
Show me where it says that it is the worst sin.
The Holy Qur'an 4:48
Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.
Originally posted by menokokoro
I am saying that God knows all, and it is up to him, but it just doesn't make sense to damn one of his children, that he loves, that he does not discriminate against, to hell.
God discriminates in one way... those who believe in Him and live righteously are superior in His eyes to those that don't.
Originally posted by MRasheedyea.. thats a condemnation of polytheism, actually, which is considered the 'worst sin' by the muslims i have encountered.[b]The Holy Qur'an 4:48
Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed. [/B]
have you read the entire quran?
Originally posted by MRasheed😕 What? So, God knowing exactly the reason why you made a decision, has nothing to do with the decision?
That doesn't have anything to do with what you chose to do.
Originally posted by MRasheedAnd this is where we disagree. Pretend that you don't believe that scripture like you do. Now REALLY think about it. If you grew up in a household where your Dad always explained that God doesn't exist and always gave a reason, and the reason made sense, like a lot of science (a topic for another time). Now, through your life, you never had an opportunity to learn the truth, and you die a disbeliever in God. Now, despite being a great humanitarian, someone who gave much, while taking little, and was kind to everyone, you go to hell because of your unfair life of not given the truth. Now, does that sound like something God would do? Remember Ignoring that scripture, I don't want to debate its interpretation, mostly because I don't believe in the Qur'an, but just pretend that it doesn't mean what you think it does, and think about that scenario.
It is black & white though..
Originally posted by MRasheedI am sorry, but that is completely and utterly false. Why else would God teach us to be "Good"?
"Good" means nothing outside of belief in God. It will profit your soul nothing.
Originally posted by MRasheed
What does your personality have to do with choosing not to kill an old woman and rob her house?As a test for those who remain. If you get mad at God when it happens and denounce Him, you fail.
Humans have always been just as complex with the same choices. There's always been birth, death, love, marriage, community, charity, murder, theft, adultery, etc.
And God will always be God.
What does your personality have to do with choosing not to kill an old woman and rob her house?some people actually lack the funtion to tell good from bad...
As a test for those who remain. If you get mad at God when it happens and denounce Him, you fail.so god gives a woman a baby then takes it away only for a reaction... WOW
Humans have always been just as complexsimple time simple people trying to explain things in the world... like i said
Originally posted by red g jacks
i have a feeling that if god really exists then he isnt such a control freak as most of his fanshe'll probably greet me when i die. he wont be insecure or insulted that i didn't believe he was real, he'll know that i was only making a guess based on the limited information at hand.
he'll say now you know da truth, and i'll say word up god so whats the deal with all these people who prophecize and preach in your name yet all have different versions of what you think and what you demand of humanity? he'll be like oh that? yea i had a bit of fun back in the dark ages
I also think that god won't care. I mean if he is real it seems that he doesn't care now, so I think that nonbelievers will probably be scared when they find out it's real. I know I would if I died and arrived at the pearly gates. Shaking in my pants, Oh ****, Oh ****, oh **** I'm going to hell I know it. Then god will be all like chill man don't piss in your pants, you can come in. sigh of relief (hopefully he says that)
Originally posted by MRasheed
As a test for those who remain. If you get mad at God when it happens and denounce Him, you fail.
So God can scorch his antfarm however much he want, in what appears to be a rather sadistic fashion, and if you get angry, he'll just denounce your soul.
"Love me, for I am malevolent"
Originally posted by menokokoro
😕 What? So, God knowing exactly the reason why you made a decision, has nothing to do with the decision?
Not even a little bit. Why would it? God is separate from His creation. All rules apply to us not to Him. He only influences things if He wills it, and He doesn't interfere with Free Will. It wouldn't be fair.
Originally posted by menokokoro
Pretend that you don't believe that scripture like you do.
No.
Originally posted by menokokoro
If you grew up in a household where your Dad always explained that God doesn't exist and always gave a reason, and the reason made sense, like a lot of science (a topic for another time). Now, through your life, you never had an opportunity to learn the truth, and you die a disbeliever in God. Now, despite being a great humanitarian, someone who gave much, while taking little, and was kind to everyone, you go to hell because of your unfair life of not given the truth. Now, does that sound like something God would do?
No, it doesn't. Everybody encounters the Word of God at some point in their life. Everybody. Your scenario is unrealistic.
Originally posted by menokokoro
Remember Ignoring that scripture, I don't want to debate its interpretation, mostly because I don't believe in the Qur'an, but just pretend that it doesn't mean what you think it does, and think about that scenario.
No. Why don't you pretend to repent and bow down to the Lord who made you.
Originally posted by menokokoro
I am sorry, but that is completely and utterly false. Why else would God teach us to be "Good"?
He defined what is 'good' and what is 'evil' and then instructed us in how to live. Your concept of a Godless 'good' is completely and utterly false.