Superman, Hancock and Hulk VS Hogwarts.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well I'm so glad that you decided that. Some people may have asked for proof that an alien counts as a muggle, but not me. No sir. If you say they do, then who am I to argue?

Oh, great. Sarcasm.
It would great, if that would only be used if there were some reason to do so. Hagrid, when coming to take Harry to Hogwarts, defines "muggle" with the words "Non-magic folk." Is Superman a magical creature or equiped with magical abilities. No. Does he, because of that, fall in the "non-magic folk" category. I think so.

Suggesting anything else is - plain and simple - bias based on a stupidly attempt to argue semantics. I could just as well ask why we should assume that punches capable of knocking the moon away should kill a Wizard, because we never see it happening. Way to go.

Them casting Muggle repelling charms over their camp.

Well. Go and watch the movie. Educate yourself on the topic you wish to discuss. They are using three different spells to protect their campsites: "Cave inimicum", "Repello Muggletum" and "Salvio Hexia". The effect is, that Hermione in one scene is, literally, standing face to face with one Snatcher, and he's not capable of seeing her.

Superman can hit it at the speed of light with his continent-lifting strength. Can you show that the barrier is capable of repelling that level of force?

Cool. He will impact against a barrier fed by a mystical energy which power we can not grasp, and that he won't be prepared to hit at all. I wonder what happens. Can you proof that he will break through? Wow. That was easily debunked using Neph-style-logic.

I dunno. I havn't actually bothered to watch the latest in the Harry Potter ass-cakes. Perhaps someone else will be kind enough to mention whether is is mentioned?

We just see Harry auto-raising his wand and fire a precise counter spell on Voldemort, that makes Voldemorts wand explode. Voldemort later just mentions that he needs a more powerful wand in order to be able to kill Potter. But there is no explanation exactly.

So? Did it hit Pettigrew at all

Wand. Behind his back. Pointing at the ground. He fires a spell that blows a crater into the street deep enough to reveal the sewer and kill 12 people in the process. How should it not have hit him exactly?

You don't think that the thing being made of kryptonite may have weakened him a tinsy bit? And just because a character doesn't do something, doesn't mean he can't. What exactly is stopping Supermn from using superstrength and speed at the same time?

Oh. Cool. So your proof for him being capable at utilizing super speed and strength at the same time is "oh. Just because he didn't that doesn't mean he can't."

*Applause*

He's bloodlusted. He'll go for the overkill method.

Oh, well. In this case, Voldemort solos.

"I can make things move without touching them. I can make animals do what I want without training them. I can make bad things happen to people who are mean to me. I can make them hurt, if I want..." - Tom Riddle, 11 years old, Harry Potter and the Halfblood Prince

So Voldemort just thinks about bad things and tremendous pain occuring in the lives of Superman, Hancock and the two other punks, et voilà, the quartet lies on the ground of the school, winding under magical induced crucio-esque pain, against which they have no defense. Wizards win.

If you want to argue that: "Just because he didn't do it in the movies, doesn't mean he can't!"

So he doesn't know the abilities of the wizards according to you, but they know his and Hancocks exact weaknesses? Yeah, that makes sense.

Oh. I was just attempting to lower myself to the level the discussion is occuring on. Since the Wizards are already jumped by a being capable of moving at lightspeed, that simple ignores all defenses crafted around the school to "speed blitz" anybody inside, including that part of the collegium / students hidden away in some arbitrary remote locations covered up with magic (e.g. the common rooms of the houses, room of requirement), I thougt at least something would be there in favor for the Wizards.

Or is this just another "Spite against HP Wizards" thread, that doesn't deserve anyone wasting his time with it, beyond "LOLZ. Wizards are screwed!!!!11111oneoneeleven".

Oh, great. Sarcasm.

Yeah, my sarcasm is pretty great.

It would great, if that would only be used if there were some reason to do so. Hagrid, when coming to take Harry to Hogwarts, defines "muggle" with the words "Non-magic folk."

And I suppose that Hagrid knows for a fact that 'non-magic folk' includes Aliens, does he? Because I'm prepared to bet that he does not.

Is Superman a magical creature or equiped with magical abilities. No.

Neither are Owls, but they seem to be fine. 😉

Suggesting anything else is - plain and simple - bias based on a stupidly attempt to argue semantics. I could just as well ask why we should assume that punches capable of knocking the moon away should kill a Wizard, because we never see it happening. Way to go.

Except, you have been asking that.

😐

Well. Go and watch the movie. Educate yourself on the topic you wish to discuss.

Um, no thanks. I'm pretty sure watching a shitty 2-hour movie to prove your argument is something I'm not going to do.

They are using three different spells to protect their campsites: "Cave inimicum", "Repello Muggletum" and "Salvio Hexia". The effect is, that Hermione in one scene is, literally, standing face to face with one Snatcher, and he's not capable of seeing her.

Whatever. Superman isn't even a muggle and the charm isn't on the school anyway.

Cool. He will impact against a barrier fed by a mystical energy which power we can not grasp, and that he won't be prepared to hit at all. I wonder what happens. Can you proof that he will break through? Wow. That was easily debunked using Neph-style-logic.

It has never defended against something as strong as Superman. Unless you're going to be a 'tard and argue that the barrier can obviously defend against something millions of times more powerful than anything its been shown to, I suggest you drop teh point.

We just see Harry auto-raising his wand and fire a precise counter spell on Voldemort, that makes Voldemorts wand explode. Voldemort later just mentions that he needs a more powerful wand in order to be able to kill Potter. But there is no explanation exactly.

I find it odd that this has never happened in any of the other times (and theres been a lot) Harry has been in danger. It just so happened to occur when faced with someone wit a twin core to his own wand and

Spoiler:
a piece of their soul inside him

Wand. Behind his back. Pointing at the ground. He fires a spell that blows a crater into the street deep enough to reveal the sewer and kill 12 people in the process. How should it not have hit him exactly?

Indeed? Prove the highlighted part please.

Oh. Cool. So your proof for him being capable at utilizing super speed and strength at the same time is "oh. Just because he didn't that doesn't mean he can't."

*Applause*

There is absolutely no reason why he can't. Until you provide one, don't bother replying. But its not like his sheer speed won't take out the wizards anyway.

Oh, well. In this case, Voldemort solos.

"I can make things move without touching them. I can make animals do what I want without training them. I can make bad things happen to people who are mean to me. I can make them hurt, if I want..." - Tom Riddle, 11 years old, Harry Potter and the Halfblood Prince

So Voldemort just thinks about bad things and tremendous pain occuring in the lives of Superman, Hancock and the two other punks, et voilà, the quartet lies on the ground of the school, winding under magical induced crucio-esque pain, against which they have no defense. Wizards win.

I'm going to assume you'r being stupid on purpose. Because I'm fairly sure I've told you that Superman moves so fast that Voldemort won't have the chance to think many, many times already.

Oh, and 'crucio-esque pain?' Fvck off with that. He says 'pain', he does not say anything about intensity. For all we know its comparable to a papercut. And neither of the Heroes are exactly unused to pain. Supermn lifted a continet with kryptonite in his face the entire time. Hancock was walking through a gunshot fairly easily. And of course pain just makes Hulk madder.

Oh. I was just attempting to lower myself to the level the discussion is occuring on.

Uh-huh. Yeah sure. 'Advocatus Diaboli' and all that....

Since the Wizards are already jumped by a being capable of moving at lightspeed, that simple ignores all defenses crafted around the school to "speed blitz" anybody inside, including that part of the collegium / students hidden away in some arbitrary remote locations covered up with magic (e.g. the common rooms of the houses, room of requirement), I thougt at least something would be there in favor for the Wizards.

Let this be a lesson for you. Thinking is dum. I'm glad I never kdhjhdva,mnblahhhhhhhhh.........

We see in Deathly Hallows that the spell that Hermione used to hide their campsite does not hide smells, and does not completely block out noises.

With Superman's senses, it might as well not even be there.

The notion that any magical shield could hold back Superman is laughable, not one has anywhere near the feats for that.

He smashes through it and tosses Hogwarts into space.

Originally posted by the ninjak
RJ does the shield protecting the school also effect under it in the soil?

I've seen a picture of Hogwarts that had a very unstable drop into water. These guys can destroy the castle without having to even enter.

And the wizards don't have the capability to predict the attack. They come from another dimension and the Watcher (who in the OP brought them) is far beyond them.

Besides, the Wizards are warned of the attack far in advance (hall of prophesies), they have a shitload of Felix Felicis (which guarantees success.)

Have a nice day ✅

Originally posted by Nephthys
RJ's thread was closed? 😐

This pleases me.

Also, it wasn't a duplicate thread. Gotta love the politics here.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Of course it does. Far be it for us to debate in a thread where one side is not gimped to hell.

That means Superman and Hancock are essentially not actually allowed to throw punches, or really attack in any way.

Yeah man. Your thread was not gimped at all. 🙄

Originally posted by NemeBro
You made a thread where winning can only be achieved by completely annihilating the opponents, but kept CIS on.

That means Superman and Hancock are essentially not actually allowed to throw punches, or really attack in any way.

Yeah man. Your thread was not gimped at all. 🙄

CIS should always be on. In this case, obviously Supes and Hancock could attack to kill.

The thread was fine.

Superman doesn't kill.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Superman doesn't kill.

Not that it matters, in this thread PIS is way off.

So, the wizards, warned of the pending attack far in advance via the Hall of Prophesies (and yes, the Hall would warn them. This is probably the biggest event in wizarding history) and have all the time in the world to prepare.

They have all the time in the world to brew up a shitload of Felix Felicis, which guarantees success. Every wizard on Felix Felicis? GTFO, dude.

They also have all the time in the world to cast overlapping Protego shield charms.

They would have all the time to brew up a shitload of Polyjuice potion. Imagine it: Half a dozen wizards disguised as Ray or Mary, or their son. Imagine Hancocks reaction. He'll land next to them, grab them and try to fly them to safety, then BAM they'll turn him into a teacup. Imagine Snape, stumbling out disguised as Lois Lane, and Supermans reaction. Hell, forget polyjuice potion, imagine the wizards kidnapping the heroes Loved ones (Ray, Mary and their son. Lois Lane. Betty), since PIS and CIS are off, yes, they can do this easily.

And for the record, the Hall of Prophesies and Felix Felicis were not part of the massive wizard gimpage here.

So, as I said before, another HP spite thread turned on it's creator.

Urgh, just... stop posting please.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Also, it wasn't a duplicate thread. Gotta love the politics here.

You made a an EXACT dupe thread that guaranteed a victory for the team you wanted to win because you're mad that you can't have it in this thread, and now you're throwing thinly veiled insults at my moderating? You'd better watch stuff like that, RJ. It's not good.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Urgh, just... stop posting please.

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Felix_Felicis

Felix Felicis, also called "liquid luck", is a magical potion firstly introduced on Professor Slughorn's first potion class in Hogwarts.. Felix Felicis makes the drinker lucky for a period of time, depending on how much is taken, during which everything they attempt will be successful.

Suck on that. With all the wizard gimping going on, you bet your sweet ass I'm bringing Felix Felicis into the mix. Funny thing is that in my thread, the one that Matt closed, I was not gonna bring Felix Felicis in. Same goes for the Hall of Prophesies.

But here, you betcha, anything goes!!!! 😱

Oh I have more, much more, but I'll let you digest this first.

Originally posted by Impediment
You made a an EXACT dupe thread that guaranteed a victory for the team you wanted to win because you're mad that you can't have it in this thread, and now you're throwing thinly veiled insults at my moderating? You'd better watch stuff like that, RJ. It's not good.

Veiled insults? Nothing I said was directed at you. It was towards Neph's comment about being pleased about it being closed.

I can see, I guess, how you took it the way you did, but I am saying, right here, right now, where all can see, that was not my intent.

Cool? And no, the thread I made was the wizards, ungimped, at full might, same for the heroes. What's wrong with that?

It amazes me the level of your pigheadedness. No matter how many times I disprove your retarded Hall of Prophecy argument you still pull it out time after time. Its really amazingly amazing.

...ly dumb.

u r dum.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It amazes me the level of your pigheadedness. No matter how many times I disprove your retarded Hall of Prophecy argument you still pull it out time after time. Its really amazingly amazing.

...ly dumb.

It can't be disproven. Not to mention that Trelawney will predict it too.

Yes, the prophesies can be a bit vague at times, but they are clear enough to convey the message.

Funny, I could have sworn I've disproven it half a dozen times already.

Trelawney is the worst effing seer ever in the history of ever. No way is she predicting this. 😆

No they're not. They're incredibly vague and difficult to decipher. And you can't prove there'll be one at any rate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Funny, I could have sworn I've disproven it half a dozen times already.

Trelawney is the worst effing seer ever in the history of ever. No way is she predicting this. 😆

No they're not. They're incredibly vague and difficult to decipher. And you can't prove there'll be one at any rate.

Lulz, dude, so wrong. You've disproven nothing. The Hall will warn the wizards of the attack, plain and simple. And since the Hall was not part of the HP spite gimpfest, it counts here.

And Trelawney? She tends to be hit or miss. No matter, between her and the Hall, the wizards will be warned.

I can't prove there will be a prophecy? This is the biggest event in wizarding history, you're saying there won't be a prophecy written about it? Stop.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And I suppose that Hagrid knows for a fact that 'non-magic folk' includes Aliens, does he? Because I'm prepared to bet that he does not.

Who cares?
By your logic, Superman can't touch Wizards, because they aren't humans. Big time. Superman has no defense against magic and will, thusly, succumb to all spells regular muggles would be affected by, including the repelling charm. The attempt to argue this is already violating the forum rules.

There is precisely zero reason to assume he won't be affected.

Neither are Owls, but they seem to be fine. 😉

Oh, gosh. The ad nauseam again. The Owls in the Potterverse are clearly magical animals, given their ability to track targets in order to deliver messages. They aren't regular birds.

Except, you have been asking that.

Where exactly? Straw man much?

Um, no thanks. I'm pretty sure watching a shitty 2-hour movie to prove your argument is something I'm not going to do.

I've provided you with the source. Your choice to ignore it doesn't affect the validity of my arguments. Thanks for playing, kid.

Whatever. Superman isn't even a muggle and the charm isn't on the school anyway.

Your choice not to check the sources I've provided does not affect the validity of my claims, but just exposes your ignorance and inability to participate in debates.

It has never defended against something as strong as Superman. Unless you're going to be a 'tard and argue that the barrier can obviously defend against something millions of times more powerful than anything its been shown to, I suggest you drop teh point.

Really. How does a spell that kills every living thing it touches scale in comparison to Supermans power? How does magic scale towards his powers. You have no answer. Yet, you assume you're assumption is correct in order to prove it right. This is called petitio principii or "arguing in circles", which is - guess what - another logical fallacy.

I find it odd that this has never happened in any of the other times (and theres been a lot) Harry has been in danger. It just so happened to occur when faced with someone wit a twin core to his own wand and

Spoiler:
a piece of their soul inside him

. The fact that it hasn't ever occurred before this disqualifies it from forum use. Its obviously not something he has any controll of and besides, he won't get a chance to raise his wand anyway.

How often has Harry died in the movies exactly? What? Not a single time? So his automatic defense against impending death worked rather fine throughout the entire series, right? 🙄
And you're wrong by the way. The effect in question also happens, when Voldemort duels Dumbledore in OotP and they clearly don't have wands with a twin core or

Spoiler:
a part of the others soul inside them

There is absolutely no reason why he can't. Until you provide one, don't bother replying. But its not like his sheer speed won't take out the wizards anyway.

Apparently, you haven't got the point. I hate to point out your application of double standards, but why do I need to provide proof for the characters on my sight to be able to do anything that they might be able to do, where you can just presume that the characters on your favorite team can do anything you like, without presenting proof?

That aside: Since we've never see a Wizard dying due to blunt force, it stands to reason that it doesn't kill them. Given that they play Quidditch, which includes metal balls hunting the players to knock them off their broom and let children participate in that game, I guess they don't care as much about blunt trauma as your average human does. Maybe because they can mend broken bones in "an instance".

I'm going to assume you'r being stupid on purpose. Because I'm fairly sure I've told you that Superman moves so fast that Voldemort won't have the chance to think many, many times already.

Oh. You've told me. That's certainly nice. I'm still waiting for you to present proof that Superman is capable of coming up with coherent battlespeed than Voldemort can thing "Pain for Superman", because otherwise the Man of Steel will be turned into a little girl rolling over the ground crying in pain.

Oh, and 'crucio-esque pain?' Fvck off with that. He says 'pain', he does not say anything about intensity. For all we know its comparable to a papercut.

He used it to force all other children in the orphanage into submission. Doesn't seem to be like the easy "oh...ouchy...ahh...gone" type of thing.

And neither of the Heroes are exactly unused to pain. Supermn lifted a continet with kryptonite in his face the entire time.Hancock was walking through a gunshot fairly easily. And of course pain just makes Hulk madder.

And what does pain do to our heroes? Didn't see them performing their supposed uber feats while getting seriously hurt. As far, as I remember, Superman took a little sunbath to charge up before lifting the continent. When standing on it, he was pretty much FUBAR'd. And Hancock when really hurt didn't do much more than your ordinary human, did he?

Let this be a lesson for you.

Yeah. I've learned a great lesson on how not to form arguments. Your compilation of logical fallacies, double-standards and outright stupidity served that purpose rather well. Thank you.

Since we're posting off the wall attack scenarios, try this:

Voldemort and Dumbledore go smoke, intangible, and invisible. They fly into the clouds with Snape, who protects them with a Protego Totalum or a muggle repellent shield charm.

Voldemort and Dumbledore imperio Hulk and Abomination and turn them on Supes and Hancock. Or Supes and Hancock and turn them on Hulk and Abomination.

Oh my......I do believe that's the fat lady I hear singing.

Superman's senses destroy all their "stealth" sans being intangible. If they decide to go smoke Superman inhales them, goes out of the atmosphere and blows them out.

Have the wizards ever done their spells while they are under these smoke/intangible/invisible?

Not like the silly strategy will work because Hancock and Superman will toss the Hulk and Abomination's asses out of the atmosphere.

The problem with this thread is based on 3 things:

1. Vast Superhuman strength
2. Inmense speed near lightspeed
3. Insane duability

I am not know that knowledgeable about the HP universe because I've only seen the movies...but nothing they have ever shown/fought has ever made me believe they are that uber. LoL the normal humans with a couple of machine guns will go apeshit on hogwarts lol.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Since we're posting off the wall attack scenarios, try this:

Voldemort and Dumbledore go smoke, intangible, and invisible. They fly into the clouds with Snape, who protects them with a Protego Totalum or a muggle repellent shield charm.

Voldemort and Dumbledore imperio Hulk and Abomination and turn them on Supes and Hancock. Or Supes and Hancock and turn them on Hulk and Abomination.

Oh my......I do believe that's the fat lady I hear singing.

Why just make it that complex?

Voldemort waits until Superman kills him, is resurrected as spirit, due to his Horcruxes (this is GoF Voldemort), possesses Superman, kills Hancock, Abomination and Hulk and flies Supermans body into some kryptonite source or makes him go insane with his legilimency. Win.

Also, because this is the end of GoF, all Wizards can die and then the Dementor Fudge called to the school from Azkaban to deal with Barty Crouch jr., will royally screw the quartet who can neither sense nor fight a Dementor. Dementor's kiss for all it is.

P.S.: Wouldn't the people in Hogwarts be warned before the attack, due to the collection of foe glasses that "Mad Eye" keeps in his office?