Borbarad
Advocatus Diaboli
Originally posted by Nephthys
Heh. Irony is fun.
What is "fun" here, is your inability to recognize logical fallacies.
Originally posted by Lestov16
But he will have disintegrated their upper torso before they can fully process the thought
Unless you can provide proof that, without moving at FTL and time dilation kicking in, he's capable of thinking faster than the Wizards. Good luck. If he can't, each Wizards will have at least one spell fired, before Superman hits them.
I doubt he will have the willpower to pull off Legilimency when concentrating on the pain of Supes frying his balls off
He has possessed people while being in his spirit shape. So if Superman kills him, he loses.
Pretty sure he had a damn difficult time getting a suitable physical body the first time. if Supes fries him into ash, pretty sure that's gonna count as BFR
He just had problems with that, because in the original, his supporters turned tail when he was "defeated" while he himself went into hiding. Yet, we've seen him possessing other people from his spirit shape (Quirrel in PS/SS), so it's entirely possible for him.
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. And you really should be intimidated, considering the sorry post you just made. Bad Borbarad! Don't do that!
Actually, I should be laughing at you, rather than replying to your postings. But indimitation? No. Sorry.
2. While it is unfortunate that I have to point this out to you, it appears I must. Superman isn't merely capable of killing them before they can think. He is capable of doing it before they can begin to process a thought. Oh, and fun fact, while some abnormally powerful Wizards can do magic both without a wand and do so nonverbally, it is in fact not commonplace, at least in terms of advanced spells.
What is unfortunate, is that I have to point out, that Superman, for all we've seen, doesn't think faster than ordinary humans while on "normal" speed. Thusly, before he decides to go into FTL speed, the Wizards think - and act - just as fast as he does, meaning they can use spells.
And "abnormally powerful"? For the teachers using magic without incantation is common in the movies. Magic without wand? Also commonly used by Dumbledore (multiple times), Voldemort and Quirrel (!) in the movies.
3. No actually that is not how it works at all. There is no explicit magical way to resist the Imperius Curse, rather, it is explicitly a matter of will, not once is magical power or lack of it brought up.
Right. You do recognize, that this is never mentioned in the movies, as the fake "Mad-Eye", unlike in th book, does never use the spell on Harry? So what is it? Movie feats only or do we take the books into consideration. Please stop cherrypicking. That aside: Even in the book Harry needs multiple attempts before he's capable of shacking off the curse (training!) and even then it isn't done instantious but takes some time. So if Superman should be hit with it, that would be enough to follow up with some deadly curse at least.
Also, Leglimency? Not once is the Leglimency spell itself used to tamper with the mind, while obviously knowing the thoughts, memories, and emotions of your opponent can help in that endeavor, the spell itself does not tamper with the mind.
Well. Going by Snape's lecture on the powers of Voldemort, it can be used to do what I said. Want to contradict Snape? Then you should have a reason for this.
Also, Leglimency, like most HP magic, has to be focused towards the person trying to be influenced. Voldemort cannot do that to something as fast as Superman.
Really? Did you see a spell effect flying through the air somewhere in the movies? I didn't. So it stands to reason that legilimency, especially used by Voldemort, who can do so without a wand but just by intention, doesn't require a clear "target". Not that it matters, since Voldemort still has the option to simple possess Superman.
4. Pathetic spell-flinging, aka what goes on in HP. Harry Potter is not particularly subtle in most of its applications of magic.
Oh. But "speedblitzing on lightspeed levels" is what goes on in the Superman movies all the time, correct? Pathetic.
5. The Taboo Curse, and a specific jinx Voldemort crafted for that occasion. Aka, SPECIFIC SPELLS FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE. Taboo Curses explicitly affect names for one. And you are not really getting what I am saying, I am speaking about certain spells with explicit effects being unable to hit Superman, largely because they require the use of a wand to focus their magic towards their target, or require focusing in the direction of the individual in general. Avada Kedavra or Crucio for example. And this is across a great distance, with Imperio never being used from such a distance. Taboo and the Imperius Curse are, in fact, not the same spell, spells in HP have specific effects, stop pretending there is signifigant overlap.
How about you stopping to install limitation where there are none in the movies. I've never heared about a specific jinx Voldemort crafted to curse his name or the DADA position in Hogwarts. He did it with some magic. What stops him from using similar magic to curse Superman, Superman's clothes and so on...Nothing, I suppose.
And thanks for the attempt to straw man me. Already resorting to logical fallacies in order to "argue" me? That totally intimidates me. *shrug*
Are you serious? It took 11 years or so for Voldemort to even vaguely resemble anything that could be considered a "threat" after his physical form was destroyed. 😐 He possessed snakes because he was too weak to do much else, and had to drink Unicorn blood to survive. So no, that is not actually what will happen, since if he could possess anyone, he would have possessed baby Harry.
We know that he can't do it with Harry, so thanks for attempting to take the exception as proof for the general rule. What did change in the 11 years between his depature and him possessing Quirrel? Where is the difference between possessing snakes and human beings? For the rest: See above. It took him so long because his supporters left him and he went into hiding in some sort of panic reaction (naturally, because he didn't understood what just happened to him). None of that would apply here.
6. No but he can render him a harmless parasite who possesses snakes and feeds on Unicorn blood. 🙂 Understanding it? He could pulverise the large hill Hogwarts stands on, and please stop assigning feats Hogwarts does not have. Magical in nature it may be, but do not pretend it has demonstrated feats that imply it can take what can only be likened to "Tsar Bomba in the shape of a man in tights." FTL running speed? I meant flying pseed.
That "harmless parasite" was instantly able of possessing other creatures, without any limitation to that ability (save for "not Harry Potter"😉 being given. Your point is mood. Voldemort dies and Superman goes over to the other team due to being possessed. End of story.
And thanks for the second straw man. Did I say Hogwarts would be able to resist Superman? No. He could fly through the walls, probably, as a dragon can damage them. That doesn't change the fact that some places of the castle are just accessibele via magic.
7. No, you assuming magic has no upper limit is in fact the fallacy. Superman has feats, good ones. These magical shields have not been shown to possess anywhere near the required feats to resist Superman. Technically, I will admit, I am committing a fallacy, but otherwise all we could say is "We do not have enough information to say," and that is boring. But I find what I propose to be more likely.
I don't assume that magic has no upper limit.
I'm merely assuming that Superman can not simply break a magic shield using blunt physical force, especially not in the context, that the Death Eaters (with their force of Dementors, Giants and whatnot) were incapable of getting through said shields.
8. He can hear everything in Hogwarts to the point it may as well not be invisible at all. You are assuming that the Death Eaters are more powerful than Superman, funny.
Unfortunatelly he won't, because the Muggle Repelling Charm will tell him that he has some serious business to do in Metropolis, before he even reaches the school. Bye, bye, Superman. Also thanks for the third attempt to use the straw man on me with your point number eight. Might be a new record there.
Although actually, I will admit I strain to think of Heat Vision feats at the moment, does anyone in this thread have any? Will not argue this point further until I do.
Oh. Great. 👆