Originally posted by Borbarad1. It's okay. You're very brave to come here, debating with your superiors. I'll support you every step of the way! 😄
Actually, I should be laughing at you, rather than replying to your postings. But indimitation? No. Sorry.What is unfortunate, is that [b]I
have to point out, that Superman, for all we've seen, doesn't think faster than ordinary humans while on "normal" speed. Thusly, before he decides to go into FTL speed, the Wizards think - and act - just as fast as he does, meaning they can use spells.And "abnormally powerful"? For the teachers using magic without incantation is common in the movies. Magic without wand? Also commonly used by Dumbledore (multiple times), Voldemort and Quirrel (!) in the movies.
Right. You do recognize, that this is never mentioned in the movies, as the fake "Mad-Eye", unlike in th book, does never use the spell on Harry? So what is it? Movie feats only or do we take the books into consideration. Please stop cherrypicking. That aside: Even in the book Harry needs multiple attempts before he's capable of shacking off the curse (training!) and even then it isn't done instantious but takes some time. So if Superman should be hit with it, that would be enough to follow up with some deadly curse at least.
Well. Going by Snape's lecture on the powers of Voldemort, it can be used to do what I said. Want to contradict Snape? Then you should have a reason for this.
Really? Did you see a spell effect flying through the air somewhere in the movies? I didn't. So it stands to reason that legilimency, especially used by Voldemort, who can do so without a wand but just by intention, doesn't require a clear "target". Not that it matters, since Voldemort still has the option to simple possess Superman.
Oh. But "speedblitzing on lightspeed levels" is what goes on in the Superman movies all the time, correct? Pathetic.
How about you stopping to install limitation where there are none in the movies. I've never heared about a specific jinx Voldemort crafted to curse his name or the DADA position in Hogwarts. He did it with some magic. What stops him from using similar magic to curse Superman, Superman's clothes and so on...Nothing, I suppose.
And thanks for the attempt to straw man me. Already resorting to logical fallacies in order to "argue" me? That totally intimidates me. *shrug*
We know that he can't do it with Harry, so thanks for attempting to take the exception as proof for the general rule. What did change in the 11 years between his depature and him possessing Quirrel? Where is the difference between possessing snakes and human beings? For the rest: See above. It took him so long because his supporters left him and he went into hiding in some sort of panic reaction (naturally, because he didn't understood what just happened to him). None of that would apply here.
That "harmless parasite" was instantly able of possessing other creatures, without any limitation to that ability (save for "not Harry Potter"😉 being given. Your point is mood. Voldemort dies and Superman goes over to the other team due to being possessed. End of story.
And thanks for the second straw man. Did I say Hogwarts would be able to resist Superman? No. He could fly through the walls, probably, as a dragon can damage them. That doesn't change the fact that some places of the castle are just accessibele via magic.
I don't assume that magic has no upper limit.
I'm merely assuming that Superman can not simply break a magic shield using blunt physical force, especially not in the context, that the Death Eaters (with their force of Dementors, Giants and whatnot) were incapable of getting through said shields.Unfortunatelly he won't, because the Muggle Repelling Charm will tell him that he has some serious business to do in Metropolis, before he even reaches the school. Bye, bye, Superman. Also thanks for the third attempt to use the straw man on me with your point number eight. Might be a new record there.
Oh. Great. 👆 [/B]
2. Uhuh. So what you are now saying is that Superman does not think at the speeds he moves at? No, that's not quite what you are saying I believe, what you are saying is more along the lines that Superman has to activate his superhuman thought processes, correct? Well let's ignore for a moment that if that is what you just said that it is in fact bullshit that was not proven inside the movies, let's just pretend you may be right. In this thread, Superman is already bloodlusted, aka, already going all-out, which means that he will already be thinking and acting at those speeds, which means the Wizards are taken out before they can begin to process thoughts. Of course, this is if we ignore that your claim (Assuming I interpreted it correctly) is unproven bullshit. Though if you can prove it, be my guest. Oh, and something idiotic such as "We see him interact with everyone normally in the movie," or something to that effect, is not an actual argument, as that is pretty much universal in fiction when talking about speedsters. Because fiction, contrary to popular belief, =/= real life. Oh and before you whine like a little girl "BAW STRAWMAN," I am not saying you claimed that, I am merely trying to dissuade you from in case you thought to. 🙂
Okay, you are aware some spells are more difficult to use when wandless, or nonverbally, right? Because your sentence implies you believe that intention is all they need to use at least the bulk of their spells. This is untrue. None of the three Unforgivables have been shown to be performed without a wand or without speaking, for example.
3. Hm, you are right, I don't believe Moody went into detail on the Imperius Curse in the movies, I apologise, I sometimes mix them in my head when discussing them. I will have to watch Goblet of Fire and perhaps Order of Phoenix soon to see exactly what occurs, but until then I will concede Imperio would probably work. If they can manage to use it on him.
4. Please provide the evidence for this particular claim. Or I guess I could just watch OotP again, like I said I would. But regardless, point below stands.
5. Oh I have no doubt Voldemort can use it with a thought, but it still must be projected. When used by Snape, himself skilled enough in Leglimency and Occlumency to keep Voldemort out of his head, he had to direct it. I actually cannot recall Voldemort using Leglimency for anything other than telling if someone was lying, with the exception of Potter, who is a special case.
6. When Superman is bloodlusted, yes he does. And he is capable of traveling to places on the other side of the world virtually instantaneously, with TV Reporters noting Superman appeared to be all across the world at once. So yes, he is capable of this, and has done so often, therefore it is very much within his power. Stop being butthurt.
7. http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Taboo
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Jinx_on_the_post_of_Defence_Against_the_Dark_Arts_teacher
Cry moar. The first is a known spell, the second is a jinx Voldemort made for the occasion.
Curse his clothes to do what? To give him bad jock-itch? Get out with your butthurt kid.
Hahahaha that's just adorable. You make a shitty point, then claim I "strawmanned" you, as if to accuse me of constructing a "strawman" out of your argument to knock down, to make mine look better? Own up to your own shortcomings, don't be such a child.
8. Ah, actually you are right, I admit I forgot all about that. I apologise. In terms of possessing Harry. However, Quirrel was not possessed, he willingly allowed himself to merge with Voldemort's spirit. But how's about this. We know Lily and James had neighboors. Why not possess them? 😐 Also, after Voldemort was "killed," he fled to the forests of Albania as a spirit. He "died" in Godric's Hollow. Which is in southwestern England. Albania is in southeastern England. Why flee so far? If he could possess anything, why flee so far to possess snakes? He couldn't, that's why, by Voldemort's own admission he was less than any ghost, the only person he possessed willingly took him in after Voldemort seduced him with promises of power. So no dice, not happening.
9. Which is why he possessed snakes. Yeah man, he could have possessed ANYONE, but he traveled across England as a spirit to possess snakes in a forest, because he thinks snakes are the shit. While that last part is true, no, stop, you are wrong, deal with it.
Your implication was clear, stop lying to save face. You implied Superman could not destroy Hogwarts. He could make it go off like a nuke by flying through it.
10. I do kinda like how you brought up giants. That was kinda funny. I am saying that every Death Eater and Giant in the world combined cannot generate as much force as Superman's muscles, nowhere near it. Also, refresh my memory, when did they have trouble getting through the shield?
11. You do know it is never actually stated Hogwarts has a Muggle-Repelling charm over it right? At least not in the books, did the movies state this? I forget. But that is also different, Superman knows Hogwarts is there, having prior knowledge. The MR charm only serves to either make the place unappealing to muggles, or to, as you said, make them "remember an appointment they had." Take a look at the way this is phrased, they had. They already had one, but they spontaneously remembered it. Since the world this vs. takes place in has one purpose, having people foit, he will have no appointments, and appearances are useless to Superman.
Though, I will say now that I am unwilling to say heat-vision will pierce the full-Hogwarts shield, just watched Superman Returns again, seems less impressive than his physical abilities, at least by what I saw.
Originally posted by NemeBro
2. You know what? I'll go ahead and say that any Wizard who is skilled at apparating can handle a Muggle with a shotgun, sure, that is fine. But to go into war with the Muggles, would be suicide.3. Dude. Voldemort is not only a fallible character... He is the main villain, and is typically meant to be thought of as wrong. Voldemort was blatantly racist against Muggles, he can think whatever he damn-well pleases, that's not evidence, that's a very biased, and fallible opinion.
4. Voldemort's Wizarding War. Voldemort was wrong. He thought he was the shit, and thought he>POWAH OF LURVE. He became something less than a ghost, proving him very much wrong. And of course he dies at the end of the series, because he was wrong. Voldemort is wrong about most things, the only thing credible to come out of Voldemort's mouth is anything regarding how Dark Magic works, that's basically it. He is a biased, racist moron.
I am not, but Voldemort is, as I said, a biased, fallible character.
5. This is technically true, but I find it much more plausible that Superman can break it than I do it stopping Superman. It has stopped arrows. Superman can hit with much more force than arrows. Much more. Like, a SUPAR DEWPER LAWT moar. So I find it more likely that Superman would break it, if it was intended to be this strong, the books/movies could have done a better job of showing it.
But that's boring. Keep in mind, I am not really placing a "hard" limit on Protego, were you to ask me how durable I think it is, I would say "Fawk if I know." Oh, another thing that supports Protego not being invulnerable, is that there is in fact a stronger version of the same spell, if it was already invulnerable, why would it need to be better? Although that just serves to complicate shit even more, making me wish I did not bring this up.
6. Nah, went out for a bit. Raped a dog, burned down a mom, and killed a house. Good times.
2. Wrong: the second wizarding war included mass muggle killings. 😉 The muggles actually knew sh*t was hitting the fan but had no way to do anything about it: they were scared and at the mercy of the death dealers. The Brockdale and Millinium bridges were destroyed, killing many muggles in that single moment. As it stands, the muggles have no way to wage an all-out war against the magical folk especially because they would lose within hours.
3. Wrong as in evil, sure...wrong as in not right about something? No. He was right on just about everything and was literally the most powerful dark wizard in the HP history. Dumbledore was probably the more "wrong" about stuff character than Volde. Volde just made mistakes. Technically, we had a load of PIS to bring Harry back to life so even then, Volde was right in assuming he was dead. Voldemort was running not only a successful campaign against the wizards, but also the muggles. His eventual goal was to take over the world. You know what's rediculous? He could have done so without killing a single muggle and only used the imperius curse. 😐 With his ability to apparate anywhere he wants, he could accomplish this task in mere hours.
4. Those are odd statements considering he was right on just about everything. 😐
5. But see, assuming both of those things is baseless. The "stronger" versions are to block even stronger spells or cover a larger area of protection. There's no indication that it increases it's physical strength.
6. Of course you did. Just wash up afterwards and you should not get a UTI. 😐
Originally posted by RobtardI thought it took Hancock longer than that.
That's not the way things work in here though. Upper-limit is what is shown.Superman's heat-vision is hot enough to drill through the earth as seen, so that's its limit.
Hancock has enough strength/speed to carve a giant heart-shape into the moon and arguably in less than one full day. So that's his.
Superman alone has enough ridiculous abilities to win, let alone with Hancock and Hulks. No need to go overboard.