Once more: there's no reason why we should think that magic will be effective on a quantum consciousness.
There is ample reason to suspect that wizards will be exploded by being exploded.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am waiting for you to prove why crucio won't work on Manhattan. If you cannot do so you concede.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI never said they can resist this attack I just surmised based off of his status he won't do so out of the gate. It's a tactic that has been shown to work. If you feel like he can resist it the proof is up to you. Just because we don't see a cow inflicted with crucio doesn't mean I have to prove it will work on a cow.
Once more: there's no reason why we should think that magic will be effective on a quantum consciousness.There is ample reason to suspect that wizards will be exploded by being exploded.
Negative proof fallacy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said they can resist this attack I just surmised based off of his status he won't do so out of the gate. It's a tactic that has been shown to work. If you feel like he can resist it the proof is up to you. Just because we don't see a cow inflicted with crucio doesn't mean I have to prove it will work on a cow.
A cow is a normal animal with a normal brain not too different (on principle) from a human brain. We don't know if Doc even has a brain.
The burden is on you to show when crucio has been used on anything like Doc. A Hogwarts ghost would be a good start, though it still wouldn't be the same and would still be conjecture.
Originally posted by Omega VisionDoc didn't even use it on Ozy in his own movie. he also sat back while the Comedian killed an innocent woman. Voldemort has used it before so he brings him down.
And will anyone in Hogwarts use an unforgivable curse like crucio "right out of the gate"? Harry only used it after he'd been bloodlusted, and even then it didn't immediately work because he just didn't have enough hatred in him. I think Doc is more likely to blow up Hogwarts right at the bell than any of the Hogwarts Wizards resort to throwing unforgivable curses.A cow is a normal animal with a normal brain not too different (on principle) from a human brain. We don't know if Doc even has a brain.
The burden is on you to show when crucio has been used on anything like Doc. A Hogwarts ghost would be a good start, though it still wouldn't be the same and would still be conjecture.
Then you need to prove he doesn't have a brain. Doc isn't a ghost but since you claimed the spell won't work the burden is on you. Physical attacks still worked on Doc he just resisted them or was in no real danger so he'd let them happen.
Nah he sees Voldermort coming and schmuck him one so hard that it sends his atoms scattered through deep space.
Manhattan had to let that woman die due to freewill/non interference principle.
Doc's perception of time was altered in Watchmen via tachyon interference by the Oz. Not in effect here. He'll see it all coming and smite them when the time comes. And he'll most likely be resistant to Potter magic.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthAfter the time interference was lifted or his plans came through he still didn't kill Ozy. You acting like he does so immediately is out of character for Manhattan. Crucio leaves him at Voldemort's mercy. The guy didn't even see the human people would bond together until he saw it on tv. LOL. Get a clue. Then get a grip.
Nah he sees Voldermort coming and schmuck him one so hard that it sends his atoms scattered through deep space.
Manhattan had to let that woman die due to freewill/non interference principle.
Doc's perception of time was altered in Watchmen via tachyon interference by the Oz. Not in effect here. He'll see it all coming and smite them when the time comes. And he'll most likely be resistant to Potter magic.
why is this still being debated Doc Manhattan utterly blinks them out of existence.. now que Dust in the Wind from Highlander
Originally posted by quanchi112
After the time interference was lifted or his plans came through he still didn't kill Ozy. You acting like he does so immediately is out of character for Manhattan. Crucio leaves him at Voldemort's mercy. The guy didn't even see the human people would bond together until he saw it on tv. LOL. Get a clue. Then get a grip.
Out of character gimping? LOL Reeks of tears and desperation, man.
If he knows a 'threat' is coming and its from anything that could alter him/harm him, he acts to stop it. He even does it in other circumstances like fighting other people's wars as seen in vietnam.
So yeah.. he likely blows 'em up, unless he knows from the timelessness he experiences that the attack will in fact do him no harm. (IE Wizards fail)
Originally posted by quanchi112
After the time interference was lifted or his plans came through he still didn't kill Ozy. You acting like he does so immediately is out of character for Manhattan.
I don't think it was ever "lifted" in the movie and by the time he realized what was going on he agreed with Ozy so no point in killing him. He did blow up those thugs in the bar tho as soon as they started to attack.
Originally posted by RobtardManhattan doesn't kill right out of the gate and wouldn't even think they were threats until the Crucio hit him.
An exploded Voldermort can't cast spells.This is a fact your need to accept before you start making baseless claims that a spell designed to work on a human-like mind will work on a being like Dr. Manhattan.
So wait a minute. You say it can't work despite it working on a spider whose mind is no where near similar to a human mind and then argue it can't work on a human being now with extraordinary powers.
It's your claim so prove it.
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Originally posted by Sadako of GirthHe didn't do so to Ozy. He even was pursuing Ox with no real sense of urgency. Ox in turn blew him up but it really didn't defeat hence the lack of fear and the lack of urgency. I debate based off of what's in character whereas you change depending which characters are involved.
Out of character gimping? LOL Reeks of tears and desperation, man.If he knows a 'threat' is coming and its from anything that could alter him/harm him, he acts to stop it. He even does it in other circumstances like fighting other people's wars as seen in vietnam.
So yeah.. he likely blows 'em up, unless he knows from the timelessness he experiences that the attack will in fact do him no harm. (IE Wizards fail)
Crucio keeps him on the ground and at Voldemort's mercy.
Originally posted by juggermanHe was trying to kill him until he saw the news and realized what needed to be done. He couldn't even predict the obvious until he saw it on tv. No sense of urgency due to being so high up on the food chain. Voldemort sonns him with the Crucio.
I don't think it was ever "lifted" in the movie and by the time he realized what was going on he agreed with Ozy so no point in killing him. He did blow up those thugs in the bar tho as soon as they started to attack.
Originally posted by Lestov16No, they don't lose. I have explained why. Feel free to disagree all you want.
Quan, please. Doc wins here. Just concede. There's no shame in admitting the wizards lose here. Manhattan is a virtual God
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthThey show him slowly walking and then destroying them. He didn't do so immediately there either. Crucio brings down the slower walking no sense of urgency pervert who refuses to hide his penis in public. he was outthought by Ozy. LOL.
So basically, as Manhattan smited enemies right out of the gate in Vietnam, he smites hogwarts, despite your attempted character gimping. (Also wasn't the tachyon effect in at that point you attempt to cite?)
Voldemort solos him.