Originally posted by dadudemonOh, come on, man: remember how much Dave was coming his hair in the beginning of the movie? He was charging up its van der Waals force, just in case of that sort of emergency.
There is a major plothole concerning David's head.When the ship was falling out of the sky, rolling on the ground, and falling over.....how they **** did David's head remain on the platform BUT Weyland's body seemd to have slid around.
Originally posted by Patient_LeechDid I say I wanted the film to give me the meaning of life? I did not.
The thing probably would have killed them anyway. It sped up the process and was meant to be symbolic of human curiosity.Well, why would "life" appear, and then disappear? Sounds like a glitch. And there was nothing they could have done for them anyway. He informed them. That's all he could do at that time.
You're really reaching here.
[b]"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
~Albert Einstein. Even "smart" people are often only smart about one, two, or maybe three things. Whatever they deal with on a regular basis.So you expected to have the movie explain the meaning of life? No film is gonna do that. All it can do is pose the questions, which this film does do. You still have to come up with the answers on your own. "Try harder." [/B]
What I did want was a complex subject being taken on by complex and intelligent characters. Creating a discussion of interesting points where various angles on the subject is brought up.
Need I remind you I didn't go in thinking this but with the topics the movie brought up itself made it sounds like they were gonna try.
Instead what I got was 2d characters that I didn't like didn't really think anything through and never really delved into anything further then enough to give you a baseline of their personality. Which is what they were for the most part caricatures of human beings instead of human beings.
Now there were some good moments and some characters I liked but overall after I got myself hyped up after the first few moments of the movie over the thought of what they could have been doing and seeing the finished product. I was less than impressed.
As for the characters's stupidity, let me ask you and rough rider. If you were on the Alien ship would you have removed your helmet?
Would you as Weyland have asked David to infect another human being without first doing normal scientific tests?
Would you upon finding out you were infected like Holloway have hid it from everyone?
Would you have gone up to the worm and tried touching it?
Would you have left 2 people alone in an Alien vessel without having someone constantly monitoring them? Or at the very least recording their video footage?
Originally posted by Newjak
Did I say I wanted the film to give me the meaning of life? I did not.What I did want was a complex subject being taken on by complex and intelligent characters. Creating a discussion of interesting points where various angles on the subject is brought up.
Need I remind you I didn't go in thinking this but with the topics the movie brought up itself made it sounds like they were gonna try.
Instead what I got was 2d characters that I didn't like didn't really think anything through and never really delved into anything further then enough to give you a baseline of their personality. Which is what they were for the most part caricatures of human beings instead of human beings.
Now there were some good moments and some characters I liked but overall after I got myself hyped up after the first few moments of the movie over the thought of what they could have been doing and seeing the finished product. I was less than impressed.
As for the characters's stupidity, let me ask you and rough rider. If you were on the Alien ship would you have removed your helmet?
Would you as Weyland have asked David to infect another human being without first doing normal scientific tests?
Would you upon finding out you were infected like Holloway have hid it from everyone?
Would you have gone up to the worm and tried touching it?
Would you have left 2 people alone in an Alien vessel without having someone constantly monitoring them? Or at the very least recording their video footage?
lmao HAve you ever been in a spaceship? Are you an Astronaut? You need to fix your perspective. The way you watch movies is broken. 😂
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNxHad the movie stood on its own, so to speak, I would not have been looking for, or been making comparisons with, "Alien"; and the questions posed by the movie, I think, would've been more poignant (although the topic itself -- man created by alien -- has been done before many a time, still best done in 2001: a space odyssey). In a way, the Prometheus effort reminds me of the American Godzilla (though done much better): had that monster movie been its own original story, I think it would've faired better also, on its own.
How would it have been better if it were not tied to the Alien universe? The movie is only a prequel in spirit. The only thing that ties the series together is the Weyland name and a spacecraft design. Once he abandoned the Alien prequel, Scott never intended for Prometheus to be a prequel.
I will grant Prometheus this: I've often wondered why Alien physiology jived so well with human (to it, alien) physiology. The Engineer factor explains that nicely IF, indeed, the Alien breed was designed to destroy homo sapiens (it would also nicely explain how The Company from "Alien" knew of the ship on LV-426 and why it was so intent on capturing a specimen).
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
To what, exactly, are you referring? What words are people taking out of context?
Aren't some people complaining about his recent words, about not knowing yet where the story will go? They're like "Oh great, it's LOST all over again! They'll introduce a big, imaginative premise, and then have no idea where to take it logically, or resolve it."
Originally posted by roughrider
Aren't some people complaining about his recent words, about not knowing yet where the story will go? They're like "Oh great, it's LOST all over again! They'll introduce a big, imaginative premise, and then have no idea where to take it logically, or resolve it."
I haven't heard him say that. Do you have a link? I guess I just assume that Ridley wouldn't have made the first movie without already having a good idea for where its going next, because they intend for it to be a two-parter. Check out this article... PROMETHEUS Sequel Recap: What We Know About the Possible Follow-Up So Far. (I've actually never seen Lost, btw)
Prometheus: Paradise. I like it. I just wonder why the Engineers are upset with us for being brutal and violent if they are brutal and violent too... but perhaps we'll understand better when we visit their planet.
I like the idea that it will be just one more film. This has the feeling of an ending that leaves you hanging, wanting to know more; it's what the second film in trilogies feel like when done properly. No need for a trilogy, just a massive two-parter will do. Sir Ridley has to have time to wrap this and get to the Blade Runner sequel, before he gets too long in the tooth.
Originally posted by roughrider
I like the idea that it will be just one more film.
Yeah, seriously. Don't drag this shit out like LOTR or Harry Pooter. Christ, only about half of the Harry Potter movies should exist. The rest is filler. I mean, unless there's more story to tell, but chances are a more condensed and meaty film would be much better than lots of watered down ones. I trust that Ridley is well aware of that.
Originally posted by roughrider
Sir Ridley has to have time to wrap this and get to the Blade Runner sequel, before he gets too long in the tooth.
"Long in the tooth," sir? Is this a Canadian-ism that I'm not familiar with? lol
Originally posted by roughrider
I figure we are on track for Prometheus: Paradise within three years.
I hope you're right. But I hope even more that it's sooner than that!
I just watched The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo (the Swedish edition). Good movie. Kind of peculiar that it, too, features references to Leviticus. If there was a dildo scene in Prometheus, that would have just been a freaky coincidence... heh
A lot my friends were mad that the so called "big questions" the movie asks aren't answered, but I honestly have a hard time fathoming how someone could watch the movie from start to finish and then formulate that opinion. That's what the dialogue between David and Charlie was about... that's what virtually every scene with David is about. The Engineers created humans for the same reason Humans created Androids, because they could... that's it. It's a cosmic joke. The crew of the Prometheus could have answered the question themselves if they bothered to analyze the reasons humans created Artificial Life, but the arrogance and hubris of the human race compels them to believe there must be some divine, greater purpose behind our existence... but there isn't. I mean, how more bluntly could that have been established with out smashing the audience in the face with bat?
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
That would be the porno version, PROMISCUOUS....instead of Ass To Mouth, it would be FaceHugger, My Ass! 💃
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A lot my friends were mad that the so called "big questions" the movie asks aren't answered, but I honestly have a hard time fathoming how someone could watch the movie from start to finish and then formulate that opinion. That's what the dialogue between David and Charlie was about... that's what virtually every scene with David is about. The Engineers created humans for the same reason Humans created Androids, because they could... that's it. It's a cosmic joke. The crew of the Prometheus could have answered the question themselves if they bothered to analyze the reasons humans created Artificial Life, but the arrogance and hubris of the human race compels them to believe there must be some divine, greater purpose behind our existence... but there isn't. I mean, how more bluntly could that have been established with out smashing the audience in the face with bat?
Yeah. I agree to some extent, but I think people have to find meaning themselves, rather than having the answers to such questions handed to us. That would make life too easy and make us lazy. We have to find our own motivation for being. And I don't think that the human creation of Robots is perfectly comparable to the Engineer's creation of humans (i.e. God's creation of man) because people likely created robots to mirror themselves (yes), but also probably to do work and be useful. Whereas I don't think we're useful to the Engineers or to God.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I hope you're right. But I hope even more that it's sooner than that!I just watched The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo (the Swedish edition). Good movie. Kind of peculiar that it, too, features references to Leviticus. If there was a dildo scene in Prometheus, that would have just been a freaky coincidence... heh
Did you catch the scene late in the film on the ship, where David calls Shaw 'Lisbeth' instead of Elizabeth? Seemed like a wink to Noomi Rapace playing the first Lisbeth Salander.
The sequel...could we actually have Noomi Rapace and Michael Fassbender as the only two human actors, in a world full of Engineers? Of will they play with the narrative and have it in flashback after they get back to Earth, so other human characters can be in the film? Hmmm...where to point the needle...?
Originally posted by roughrider
Did you catch the scene late in the film on the ship, where David calls Shaw 'Lisbeth' instead of Elizabeth? Seemed like a wink to Noomi Rapace playing the first Lisbeth Salander.
Ha, no I didn't. But I've seen Dragon Tattoo now, so I'll probably catch it next time.
[QUOTE=13903271]Originally posted by srankmissingninA lot my friends were mad that the so called "big questions" the movie asks aren't answered, but I honestly have a hard time fathoming how someone could watch the movie from start to finish and then formulate that opinion. That's what the dialogue between David and Charlie was about... that's what virtually every scene with David is about. The Engineers created humans for the same reason Humans created Androids, because they could... that's it. It's a cosmic joke. The crew of the Prometheus could have answered the question themselves if they bothered to analyze the reasons humans created Artificial Life, but the arrogance and hubris of the human race compels them to believe there must be some divine, greater purpose behind our existence... but there isn't. I mean, how more bluntly could that have been established with out smashing the audience in the face with bat?
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Yeah. I agree to some extent, but I think people have to find meaning themselves, rather than having the answers to such questions handed to us. That would make life too easy and make us lazy. We have to find our own motivation for being. And I don't think that the human creation of Robots is perfectly comparable to the Engineer's creation of humans (i.e. God's creation of man) because people likely created robots to mirror themselves (yes), but also probably to do work and be useful. Whereas I don't think we're useful to the Engineers or to God. [/QUOTE]
And I think calling it a "cosmic joke" is a bit of a negative spin on the subject. I don't think lack of "great purpose" necessarily implies lack of meaning. So I think it's a matter of utilitarian existence vs. aesthetic beauty/experience. The latter doesn't lack meaning, I don't think. But its lack of purpose is what makes it enjoyable. It is enjoyable for its own sake as opposed to needing to accomplish some function. So I think "aesthetic beauty/experience" for it's own sake is a purer, more natural form of existence.
I can help you answer your questions, Newjak. I will answer them from two different perspectives (the serious, thoughtful way and then the way you wanted them answered with a dose of realism):
Originally posted by Newjak
If you were on the Alien ship would you have removed your helmet?
Since their future Sci-Fi tech readings said it was okay to do, yes. 🙂
Originally posted by Newjak
Would you as Weyland have asked David to infect another human being without first doing normal scientific tests?
Since I was about to die and needing some very quick answers on rejuvenation, yes. This first assumes that I am virtually a corrupt king-pin of one of the world's most powerful corporations...I am not.
Originally posted by Newjak
Would you upon finding out you were infected like Holloway have hid it from everyone?
Holloway did not know he was "infected" like you're suggesting. Remember, he said it was the Flu. He did not know what it was. When he saw the worm in his eyeball, it could have just been a parasite. Consider "I" went to the planet for some answers and it was my life's work, I would pretty much avoid revealing I was sick to everyone so I could continue my life's work. But this first must assume I am a selfish prick and I do not care about infecting others with my illness just so I can find the answers I am looking for.
Originally posted by Newjak
Would you have gone up to the worm and tried touching it?
I would have touched it with a long object/stick. It's alien-life, man. ALIEN LIFE! I am an exobiologist and this is the exact reason I was chosen for the mission. Of course I would try interacting with it. Hell, I would even try capturing it. But I would have done it much more securely. I, of course, found it beautiful because I am a biologist and I find life, no matter the form, beautiful.
Originally posted by Newjak
Would you have left 2 people alone in an Alien vessel without having someone constantly monitoring them? Or at the very least recording their video footage?
No! Fool...I wanted to go to bed so I let them do their thang. Also, the scanners picked up no life...NONE...and these scanners are highly trusted technology that are absurdly thorough. I am very reliant on my technology: technology that I grew up with and have come to trust with my life.
Besides, those two will do just fine and their suits have plenty of oxygen. They will last through the night, no problem. I have no reason to believe they will be in danger, even a little, while the storm passes.
But here is how you wanted the questions answered:
Originally posted by Newjak
If you were on the Alien ship would you have removed your helmet?
No. Not at all. I would not want to contaminate it with my perspiration, respiration, and microbes. I also would not want to contract primordial microbes, myself. Screw my instrument readings: I don't trust them because I have seen Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection, Alien vs. Predator, Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem, and read some of the comic books! No way I would trust the atmosphere!
Originally posted by Newjak
Would you as Weyland have asked David to infect another human being without first doing normal scientific tests?
Absolutely not. That would be unethical. I know I am desperate for answers because I am about to keel over at any moment...and I have a clear history of unethical business practices...and I have deceived everyone aboard the ship besides my "children"...and this may be my last hope before I die....but screw all of that: it would be unethical, man.
Originally posted by Newjak
Would you upon finding out you were infected like Holloway have hid it from everyone?
Absolutely not. I would have told them immediately so I could be quarantined. I care more about my crew-mates' lives than I do my life's work. Screw getting to see those aliens: it is unethical to jeopardize all the lives of my crewman despite the fact that no one else has gotten ill. Who knows, it could be an airborne illness even though I had lovins with my wife the night before and she is just fine.
Originally posted by Newjak
Would you have gone up to the worm and tried touching it?
Hell no! The worm is obviously a proto-face-hugger because I have seen Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection, Alien vs. Predator, Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem, and read some of the comic books! Also, screw the notion that I am an exobiologist on this mission to study foreign life: this sh*t is crazy and I am creeped out.
Originally posted by Newjak
Would you have left 2 people alone in an Alien vessel without having someone constantly monitoring them? Or at the very least recording their video footage?
Hell no! I would march right out into the silicon-shard storm and rescue them! Forget the notion that my sensors may be messed up a bit while the storm is occurring (because penetrating the equivalent of dozens of feet of silicon with my EM-Based sensors is definitely doable...(sarcasm)). Additionally, I would stay up all night and watch a feed of them because I am both creepy and do not want to sleep. Lastly, I have every reason to believe that the stuff the Engineers were running from are still alive and roaming in that ship: our thorough sensor sweep using the Pops be damned.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
And I think calling it a "cosmic joke" is a bit of a negative spin on the subject. I don't think lack of "great purpose" necessarily implies lack of meaning. So I think it's a matter of [b]utilitarian existence vs. aesthetic beauty/experience. The latter doesn't lack meaning, I don't think. But its lack of purpose is what makes it enjoyable. It is enjoyable for its own sake as opposed to needing to accomplish some function. So I think "aesthetic beauty/experience" for it's own sake is a purer, more natural form of existence. [/B]
I will note that even within the movie, they (Shaw) covered the question of "it still does not answer the question of "why are we here" because the question still remains "who created the engineers or why do they exist?" It simply shifts the question ever so slightly because the Engineers simply become parents...which we already have. We are just an outgrowth of their efforts. They are "humans", still, as well. It's just like them having children.
The problem still remains: did the universe accidentally create us or is their a guiding hand in all of this life? Why do we appreciate life and love...and why do we know of self on a deeply philosophical level. Basically, it is no different than finding out you were a "test-tube baby" because your parents were infertile. It just shifts the question much further back in the generational tree.