Originally posted by RobtardAnd in Origins he sliced right through the school. Pretty sure it'd slice Spidey in two.
Indeed, smashed the shit out of that roof and in X2, he sent a Humvee tumbling back. His beam packs a serious punch, no doubt.But Spider-man has massive damage-soak to blunt force trauma.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And in Origins he sliced right through the school. Pretty sure it'd slice Spidey in two.
Origins didn't follow what was set up by X-Men 1-3, Cyclops gained heat, Wolverine got holes in his head. It was a shit film.
But yeah, using Origins, those beams would likely kill Spider-man, if they were able to hit.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Still enough to put Spidey down.
Debatable. Grenade to the face, no lasting effect.
IF he puts Spidey down (cause I thought he would be trying to take TWO Goblins down), Venom would rip him apart the next second.
Also, I doubt Spidey would stay down for long.
Without Storm, theres not much of a debate to be had.
Originally posted by PlacidityDude, did you see what he did to the roof of the train station? That'd cut Spidey in half, man.
Debatable. Grenade to the face, no lasting effect.IF he puts Spidey down (cause I thought he would be trying to take TWO Goblins down), Venom would rip him apart the next second.
Also, I doubt Spidey would stay down for long.
Without Storm, theres not much of a debate to be had.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, did you see what he did to the roof of the train station? That'd cut Spidey in half, man.
I'm aware of that feat. It's not even his most impressive so I'm wondering why you pointed that one out. His blast took mainly took out windows and the metal frames housing it. As a result the surrounding concrete as well.
That blast would not have cut Spidey in half, not even close. A pumpkin bomb could have replicated that damage. I suggest you refamiliarize yourself with Spidey's durability feats.
Also note that that was his full power, unrestrained blast, since his visor was removed - something Cyclops in his normal, controlled state would not do.
Re: Spidey and Pals versus Mutants
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Unless stated in the OP I'm pretty sure incapacitation is the default "victory" objective in a vs. thread, not death, so Bobby or Storm could handle Sandman.
I finally have a rebuttal to this point you made.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
All out battle to the death on Alcatraz island, at night.
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So, yeah, team sandman wins because there's no way to kill Sandman.
Thread should be closed, now, as there's no discussion to be had.
Tee hee, I altered the conditions of the fight a few posts in, according to MVF rules that is perfectly acceptable.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
This is not a fight to the death. Incapacitation can be a win.
So....
Originally posted by the ninjak
Sandman would have a hard time with Storm.If She creates storms and hurricanes around him, drenching him with water and Iceman freezes him out he's done for.
I think.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
All out battle to the death on Alcatraz island, at night.At the very least it'll knock Spidey on his ass, stunned. Wolvie steps in and administers the death blow.
I like the scripting.
So is Cyclops shooting at the Goblins or at Spider-man, make a choice. Cause if he is shooting a Spidey, the Goblins will bomb the shit out of the X-men.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Depends on the State Sandman is in big or small.Storm hits the air and creates a hurricane that excludes her team. She can do it ala the end of Xmen 2 in the president's office. She can locate them.
The spidermen get gusted up due to lack of buildings....just an island fort. And the Goblins get thrown off their fliers. With added support from Cyclops' constant beams.
Sandman tries to grow big but gets blown into to sea. Where Iceman freezes the entire area. Sandman out.
Doc Ock uses his tentacles to grab to ground and make his way to the Xmen but Pyro simply blows him up.
While the Goblins order their gliders to return to them while they fly outside of Storm's hurricane's influence Colossus is already in the their turf. Ready to break them. The Spidermen web him up but by now the rest of the team are in. Casualties ensue.
The Spidermen avoid all damage with their Spider senses and make a hasty retreat form the now doomed Goblins.
Now it's the Xmen VS Spiderman and Venom. And with no high ground they are forced to enter Alkatraz or circle the area for an advantage.
Storm is still in the air blasting lightning bolts and localised hurricanes.
Either way Xmen win this.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Storm activated her hurricane abilities instantly against the President and Toad in the films. Even Indoors!Toads tongue grounding him couldn't handle the onslaught.
Goblins on Gliders and Spidermen will go flying. And they don't have buildings to protect them or gain strategic ground.
Plus she is blasting lightning at them. Plus Cyclops just looking at them with pinpoint accuracy.
Missiles? Pyro and Iceman negate them.
What happens to a toad in a thunderstorm?
They all get blasted. All Storm needs to do is see them. And the lightning strikes with pinpoint accuracy. Just like how she hit Toad's tongue. Which was 2 inches thick.
With no knowledge of each others abilities.
And Logan and Colossus running full pelt at the Spiderteam.
The Spiderteam will aim at them first. Not the woman floating in the background.For arguments sakes Iceman can even form an Ice shield around Storm early.
My posts cover all combatants. In a battlefield environ. Any missiles or worse shurikens aimed at Ororo get blocked by Iceman's shield or blown aside.
Ororo only needs to rise a metre or two create an instant wall of endless wind.
Placidity's argument is confusing me. I mean Cyclops could literally kill both of the Goblins AND Otto faster than either of the Goblins' hands could make it to the goblin bombs at their waste. Half a second after that Peter would be under the same attack, only difference being that his spider sense would help him out.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Placidity's argument is confusing me. I mean Cyclops could literally kill both of the Goblins AND Otto faster than either of the Goblins' hands could make it to the goblin bombs at their waste. Half a second after that Peter would be under the same attack, only difference being that his spider sense would help him out.
The beam travels fast, but not so fast that the Goblins far in the air wouldn't have time to take evasive action. Cyclops take out all three in half a second? Don't think so.
Also, a one hit blast wouldn't kill the Goblins although they would be much less effective without their gliders. Closeup, they can still use bombs and bats.
As soon as the fight starts Spidey and Venom leap into the X-men group. So Cyclops will be busy, he ain't taking everyone out as you say.
Only chance Cyclops has of taking out many of these characters would be to focus his blast and continually leave it on that one person (except Ock, cause he is human durabilty, though not really). If he does a one-hit on Venom and expects to change targets quickly to take on someone else, he'll regret it soon after.
I think there should be another scenario - fight inside a warehouse. Venom/Spidey would wreck all of them. =p